History Creator / FrankMiller

20th Jun '17 4:06:50 AM AmuckCricetine
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* DoingItForTheArt: Even though he could've continued to work with Marvel and DC and gotten huge paychecks form them, he decided to go to lesser-known publishers so he could do some creator owned work with less pay. [[YMMV]] on if this was ultimately a good thing or not.



* RunningTheAsylum: Any UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny that involves Batman.
18th Jun '17 8:10:57 PM NightShade96
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Miller has been the center of controversy and the hatred of a [[HateDom very vocal sector of the Internet population]], mostly due to his perceived over-representation of prostitutes, sadistic violence (seen as violence for the sake of it), and his conservative and hawkish political views, although many people alternatively like his works [[TropesAreNotBad for exactly those reasons]]. Hence the [[BrokenBase fan conflicts]]. For instance, many people think his portrayal of prostitutes and female heroes implies a form of misogyny; '''''however''''', fans will point out that not only are said prostitutes portrayed as sympathetic and strongly independent characters (except when they die), but that two of Frank's most famous creations are ComicBook/{{Elektra}} and [[ComicBook/GiveMeLiberty Martha Washington]]. Others will point out that many think Elektra's best writing came after Miller, that Martha Washington ended up tangled up in Miller's [[AuthorTract personal views]] and that Miller tends to fall back on the same tropes when it comes to writing women. Miller's work is very much an example of [[YMMV]].

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Miller has been the center of controversy and the hatred of a [[HateDom very vocal sector of the Internet population]], mostly due to his perceived over-representation of prostitutes, sadistic violence (seen as violence for the sake of it), and his conservative and hawkish political views, although many people alternatively like his works [[TropesAreNotBad for exactly those reasons]]. Hence the [[BrokenBase fan conflicts]]. For instance, many people think his portrayal of prostitutes and female heroes implies a form of misogyny; '''''however''''', fans will point out that not only are said prostitutes portrayed as sympathetic and strongly independent characters (except when they die), but that two of Frank's most famous creations are ComicBook/{{Elektra}} and [[ComicBook/GiveMeLiberty Martha Washington]]. Others will point out that many think Elektra's best writing came after Miller, that Martha Washington ended up tangled up in Miller's [[AuthorTract personal views]] and that Miller tends to fall back on the same tropes when it comes to writing women. Miller's work is very much an example of [[YMMV]].
YMMV.
7th Jun '17 1:22:56 PM Black_Diesel
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[[caption-width-right:140:The Man Who "[[TookALevelInBadass Gave]] Franchise/{{Batman}} [[DarkerAndEdgier His Balls Back]]", or at least claimed to.]]

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[[caption-width-right:140:The [[caption-width-right:350:The Man Who "[[TookALevelInBadass Gave]] Franchise/{{Batman}} [[DarkerAndEdgier His Balls Back]]", or at least claimed to.]]
7th Jun '17 1:22:45 PM Black_Diesel
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5th May '17 6:11:56 PM NVPOWER
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*** He also stated that he dislikes Green Lantern and thinks of him as useless. It becomes quite apparent in his "All-Star Batman And Robin" comic series, when [spoiler: Hal Jordan is treated like crap by Batman and Robin almost kills him by accident].

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*** He also stated that he dislikes Green Lantern and thinks of him as useless. It becomes quite apparent in his "All-Star Batman And Robin" comic series, when [spoiler: [[spoiler: Hal Jordan is treated like crap by Batman and Robin almost kills him by accident].accident]].
5th May '17 6:11:14 PM NVPOWER
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* He also stated that he dislikes Green Lantern and thinks of him as useless. It becomes quite apparent in his "All-Star Batman And Robin" comic series, when [spoiler: Hal Jordan is treated like crap by Batman and Robin almost kills him by accident].

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* *** He also stated that he dislikes Green Lantern and thinks of him as useless. It becomes quite apparent in his "All-Star Batman And Robin" comic series, when [spoiler: Hal Jordan is treated like crap by Batman and Robin almost kills him by accident].
5th May '17 6:10:10 PM NVPOWER
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* He also stated that he dislikes Green Lantern and thinks of him as useless. It becomes quite apparent in his "All-Star Batman And Robin" comic series, when [spoiler: Hal Jordan is treated like crap by Batman and Robin almost kills him by accident].
5th May '17 6:05:27 PM NVPOWER
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* HollywoodAtheist: Averted, actually. Despite being himself an atheist, he has [[http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/comic_book_religion.html#heroes been noted]] as generally writing all faiths, or lack thereof, with as much respect as anything else. Some religious heroes (Comicbook/{{Daredevil}}), some villains (''Comicbook/SinCity''). Daredevil is notable since Miller was the first writer to portray him as overtly Catholic, and made it a major part of his character.

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* HollywoodAtheist: Averted, actually. Despite being himself an atheist, he has [[http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/comic_book_religion.html#heroes been noted]] as generally writing all faiths, religions (except for Islamism) or lack thereof, with as much respect as anything else. Some religious heroes (Comicbook/{{Daredevil}}), some villains (''Comicbook/SinCity''). Daredevil is notable since Miller was the first writer to portray him as overtly Catholic, and made it a major part of his character.
19th Apr '17 10:09:33 PM hollowcity
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Miller has been the center of controversy and the hatred of a [[HateDom very vocal sector of the Internet population]], mostly due to his perceived over-representation of prostitutes, sadistic violence (seen as violence for the sake of it), and his conservative and hawkish political views, although many people alternatively like his works [[TropesAreNotBad for exactly those reasons]]. Hence the [[BrokenBase fan conflicts]]. For instance, many people think his portrayal of prostitutes and female heroes implies a form of misogyny; '''''however''''', fans will point out that not only are said prostitutes portrayed as sympathetic and strongly independent characters, but that two of Frank's most famous creations are ComicBook/{{Elektra}} and [[ComicBook/GiveMeLiberty Martha Washington]].

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Miller has been the center of controversy and the hatred of a [[HateDom very vocal sector of the Internet population]], mostly due to his perceived over-representation of prostitutes, sadistic violence (seen as violence for the sake of it), and his conservative and hawkish political views, although many people alternatively like his works [[TropesAreNotBad for exactly those reasons]]. Hence the [[BrokenBase fan conflicts]]. For instance, many people think his portrayal of prostitutes and female heroes implies a form of misogyny; '''''however''''', fans will point out that not only are said prostitutes portrayed as sympathetic and strongly independent characters, characters (except when they die), but that two of Frank's most famous creations are ComicBook/{{Elektra}} and [[ComicBook/GiveMeLiberty Martha Washington]].
Washington]]. Others will point out that many think Elektra's best writing came after Miller, that Martha Washington ended up tangled up in Miller's [[AuthorTract personal views]] and that Miller tends to fall back on the same tropes when it comes to writing women. Miller's work is very much an example of [[YMMV]].



* DoingItForTheArt: Even though he could've continued to work with Marvel and DC and gotten huge paychecks form them, he decided to go to lesser-known publishers so he could do some creator owned work with less pay.

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* DoingItForTheArt: Even though he could've continued to work with Marvel and DC and gotten huge paychecks form them, he decided to go to lesser-known publishers so he could do some creator owned work with less pay. [[YMMV]] on if this was ultimately a good thing or not.



* FilibusterFreefall: ''ComicBook/HolyTerror''.

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* FilibusterFreefall: ''ComicBook/HolyTerror''.''ComicBook/HolyTerror'', and ''ComicBook/GiveMeLiberty''.



* RomanticismVersusEnlightenment: Very much on the Romantic side. His works glorify individual will, initiative and the greatness of unique events and acts over that of collective and larger scale historical and social forces.

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* RomanticismVersusEnlightenment: Very much on the Romantic side. His works glorify individual will, initiative and the greatness of unique events and acts over that of collective and larger scale historical and social forces. Miller is a fan of Creator/AynRand and frequently sprinkles references to Objectivism in his work, most notably in ''Comic/GiveMeLiberty''
8th Apr '17 10:23:22 AM Xtifr
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'''Frank Miller''' (born 1957) is a comic book writer and artist, most famous for helping to popularize Batman's return to his dark and gritty roots. He specializes in gritty, over-the-top noir, and usually draws in an immediately recognizable style - replete with stark black-and-whites and often no color at all. Most of his work is narrated in first-person, usually by a macho SociopathicHero. Pretty much all of his work is incredibly violent and bloody, sometimes to the point of RefugeInAudacity. Could be described as the "Patron Saint of Badass." His heroes ''will'' be brutalized to the point of HeroicBSOD, but they will also ultimately prove that a single [[RightMakesMight Righteous]] Badass is superior (or at least equal) to [[ConservationOfNinjutsu any number of evil mooks.]]

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'''Frank Miller''' Frank Miller (born 1957) is a comic book writer and artist, most famous for helping to popularize Batman's return to his dark and gritty roots. He specializes in gritty, over-the-top noir, and usually draws in an immediately recognizable style - replete with stark black-and-whites and often no color at all. Most of his work is narrated in first-person, usually by a macho SociopathicHero. Pretty much all of his work is incredibly violent and bloody, sometimes to the point of RefugeInAudacity. Could be described as the "Patron Saint of Badass." His heroes ''will'' be brutalized to the point of HeroicBSOD, but they will also ultimately prove that a single [[RightMakesMight Righteous]] Badass is superior (or at least equal) to [[ConservationOfNinjutsu any number of evil mooks.]]
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