History CrapsackWorld / ComicBooks

** Basically, its only ''really'' a CrapsackWorld if you're unlucky enough to have a RippleEffectProofMemory, in which case you'll fail to remember half the people who know you, and remember a good several dozen that don't exist, and remember a history that never happened mourning millions who never lived- as they say, ignorance is bliss. The prime examples here are Psycho Pirate and that guy who had to live in an insane asylum just becuase he remembered (and was utterly broken by the knowledge of) the CrisisOnInfiniteEarths.

** However, others disagree as DC has a much more kindhearted, idealistic, inspiring, and humane atmosphere overall than Marvel does, including multiple TheMessiah characters such as {{Superman}}, the forces of good not being anywhere nearly as outmatched or corrupt, and the continuity is loose enough that they simply ''ignore'' whenever JimStarlin or similar decides to do a NietzscheWannabe GodIsEvil CosmicHorrorStory that instantly drain the setting of all hope, sanity, joy, romance, and wonder. However, as a whole the DC animation, or certain standalone works are admittedly recurrently far more constructive.

** However, after being bought by the {{Disney}} corporation there seems to have been an [[ExecutiveMeddling active effort]] [[ComicBook/HeroicAge to mitigate some of the overall problems with the Marvel Universe]]. Thus, it may mostly turn into a CrapSaccharineWorld from here and onwards.[[hottip:*: It should also be noted that this isn't convenient enough to really be the conscious fault of any particular person. Continuity, and narrative restraints, including [[FriedrichNietzsche Nietzschian thematics]], and general inconclusive incoherence simply started to build up over the years. And although EarnYourHappyEnding and volunteering to help out are extremely good ideals in themselves, they are hard to constructively and comprehensively project with an extremely splintered and incomprehensible focus of unrelatable torture, darkness, murder, pain as a power-source along with a vague imprinted need to achieve (a non-malevolent brand of) the UberMensch strictly for the sake of itself, without any joy, hope, understanding, enthusiasm, smelling the flowers, or applicable situations, and most importantly an ending to the story that never comes. However, many writers have done their very best under the circumstances, and it seems to depend whether it has had destructive or constructive subliminal programming effects on the audience. It isn't remotely about that the concept of the good samaritan relief worker superhero isn't a good thing in itself as a self-contained animation narrative, much less a considerably preferable option to Nietzsche's manipulative egomaniac warmongering social engineer [[UberMensch super-sociopath]]; that matters have to be utopian; or that successfully constructive exciting WorldHalfFull work-hard adventures such as OnePiece or KenichiTheMightiestDisciple,aren't a good thing; it is about that this particular setting turned completely unbalanced, and historically genuinely didn't teach the possibilities of life, actual enthusiasm, or coherent sanity, but rather evidently frequently helped to rip it away and imprinted the polar opposite. This is most likely the actual truth of the matter, no matter the rationalisations. On the other hand {{Gorn}} sells (but OnePiece, HarryPotter, and KingdomHearts sell better).]]
** The [[MarvelUniverse Marvel]] ''{{Elseworlds}}'' miniseries ''Ruins'' basically treats us to the WorldHalfEmpty version of the Marvel Universe. Instead of mad science experiments and random genetic mutations turning people into superheroes, they universally end up horrifically deformed or painfully killed -- often both. So widespread is the fear, panic, and paranoia that the entire world seems teetering on the edge of complete collapse, and the protagonist, a reporter who doubles as the world's only optimist, has his spirit completely broken by the sheer horror of it all just before he dies a painful death himself.

** However, after being bought by the {{Disney}} corporation there seems to have been an [[ExecutiveMeddling active effort]] [[ComicBook/HeroicAge to mitigate some of the overall problems with the Marvel Universe]]. Thus, it may mostly turn into a CrapSaccharineWorld from here and onwards.[[hottip:*: It should also be noted that this isn't convenient enough to really be the conscious fault of any particular person. Continuity, and narrative restraints, including [[FriedrichNietzsche Nietzschian thematics]], and general inconclusive incoherence simply started to build up over the years. And although EarnYourHappyEnding and volunteering to help out are extremely good ideals in themselves, they are hard to constructively and comprehensively project with an extremely splintered and incomprehensible focus of unrelatable torture, darkness, murder, pain as a power-source along with a vague imprinted need to achieve (a non-malevolent brand of) the UberMensch strictly for the sake of itself, without any joy, hope, understanding, enthusiasm, smelling the flowers, or applicable situations, and most importantly an ending to the story that never comes. However, many writers have done their very best under the circumstances, and it seems to depend whether it has had destructive or constructive subliminal programming effects on the audience. It isn't remotely about that the concept of the good samaritan relief worker superhero isn't a good thing in itself as a self-contained animation narrative, much less a considerably preferable option to Nietzsche's manipulative egomaniac warmongering social engineer [[UberMensch super-sociopath]]; that matters have to be utopian; or that successfully constructive exciting WorldHalfFull work-hard adventures such as OnePiece or KenichiTheMightiestDisciple,aren't a good thing; it is about that this particular setting turned completely unbalanced, and historically genuinely didn't teach the possibilities of life, actual enthusiasm, or coherent sanity, but rather evidently frequently helped to rip it away and imprinted the polar opposite. This is most likely the actual truth of the matter, no matter the rationalisations. On the other hand {{Gorn}} sells (but OnePiece sells better) and FearItself seems like a direct response to the conclusion as a narrative opportunity. Of course stating the above honest evaluation as a biblical AntiChrist serpent in paradise treacherous great deceiver of pure evil [[{{Understatement}} might be a bit of a misleading overreaction.]]]]

** However, after being bought by the {{Disney}} corporation there seems to have been an [[ExecutiveMeddling active effort]] [[ComicBook/HeroicAge to mitigate some of the overall problems with the Marvel Universe]]. Thus, it may mostly turn into a CrapSaccharineWorld from here and onwards.[[hottip:*: It should also be noted that this isn't convenient enough to really be the conscious fault of any particular person. Continuity, and narrative restraints, including [[FriedrichNietzsche Nietzschian thematics]], and general inconclusive incoherence simply started to build up over the years. And although EarnYourHappyEnding and volunteering to help out are extremely good ideals in themselves, they are hard to constructively and comprehensively project with an extremely splintered and incomprehensible focus of unrelatable torture, darkness, murder, pain as a power-source along with a vague imprinted need to achieve (a non-malevolent brand of) the UberMensch strictly for the sake of itself, without any joy, hope, understanding, enthusiasm, smelling the flowers, or applicable situations, and most importantly an ending to the story that never comes. However, many writers have done their very best under the circumstances, and it seems to depend whether it has had destructive or constructive subliminal programming effects on the audience. It isn't remotely about that the concept of the good samaritan relief worker superhero isn't a good thing in itself as a self-contained animation narrative, much less a considerably preferable option to Nietzsche's manipulative egomaniac warmongering [[UberMensch super-sociopath]]; that matters have to be utopian; or that successfully constructive exciting WorldHalfFull work-hard adventures such as OnePiece or KenichiTheMightiestDisciple,aren't a good thing; it is about that this particular setting turned completely unbalanced, and historically genuinely didn't teach the possibilities of life, actual enthusiasm, or coherent sanity, but rather evidently frequently helped to rip it away or imprinted the polar opposite. This is most likely the actual truth of the matter, no matter the rationalisations. On the other hand {{Gorn}} sells (but OnePiece sells better) and FearItself seems like a direct response to the conclusion as a narrative opportunity. Of course stating the above honest evaluation as a biblical AntiChrist serpent in paradise treacherous great deceiver of pure evil [[{{Understatement}} might be a bit of a misleading overreaction.]]]]

** However, after being bought by the {{Disney}} corporation there seems to have been an [[ExecutiveMeddling active effort]] [[ComicBook/HeroicAge to mitigate some of the overall problems with the Marvel Universe]]. Thus, it may mostly turn into a CrapSaccharineWorld from here and onwards.[[hottip:*: It should also be noted that this isn't convenient enough to really be the conscious fault of any particular person. Continuity, and narrative restraints, including [[FriedrichNietzsche Nietzschian thematics]], and general inconclusive incoherence simply started to build up over the years. And although EarnYourHappyEnding and volunteering to help out are extremely good ideals in themselves, they are hard to constructively and comprehensively project with an extremely splintered and incomprehensible focus of unrelatable torture, darkness, murder, pain as a power-source along with a vague imprinted need to achieve (a non-malevolent brand of) the UberMensch strictly for the sake of itself, without any joy, hope, understanding, enthusiasm, smelling the flowers, or applicable situations, and most importantly an ending to the story that never comes. However, many writers have done their very best under the circumstances, and it seems to depend whether it has had destructive or constructive subliminal programming effects on the audience. It isn't remotely about that the concept of the good samaritan relief worker superhero isn't a good thing in itself as a self-contained animation narrative, that matters have to be utopian, or that constructive exciting WorldHalfFull work-hard adventures such as OnePiece or KenichiTheMightiestDisciple,aren't a good thing, it is about that this particular setting has turned completely unbalanced, and historically genuinely didn't teach the possibilities of life, actual enthusiasm, or coherent sanity, but rather evidently frequently imprinted the polar opposite.]]

** However, after being bought by the {{Disney}} corporation there seems to have been an [[ExecutiveMeddling active effort]] [[ComicBook/HeroicAge to mitigate some of the overall problems with the Marvel Universe]]. Thus, it may mostly turn into a CrapSaccharineWorld from here and onwards.[[hottip:*: It should also be noted that this isn't convenient enough to really be the conscious fault of any particular person. Continuity, and narrative restraints, including [[FriedrichNietzsche Nietzschian thematics]], and general inconclusive incoherence simply started to build up over the years. And although EarnYourHappyEnding and volunteering to help out are extremely good ideals in themselves, they are hard to constructively and comprehensively project with an extremely splintered and incomprehensible focus of unrelatable torture, darkness, murder, pain as a power-source along with a vague imprinted need to achieve (a non-malevolent brand of) the UberMensch strictly for the sake of itself, without any joy, hope, understanding, enthusiasm, smelling the flowers, or applicable situations, and most importantly an ending to the story that never comes. However, many writers have done their very best under the circumstances, and it seems to depend whether it has had destructive or constructive subliminal programming effects on the audience.]]

* Between the [[PersonOfMassDestruction many, many villains]] (some of which have galactic or even cosmic levels of power) with JokerImmunity; [[AliensAreBastards the multiple warmongering alien armadas]]; the hordes of [[EldritchAbomination eldritch abominations]], [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils demon lords]], [[JerkassGods evil deities]], or casually genocidal [[CosmicEntity cosmic entities]]; [[FireAndBrimstoneHell the eternal torture allegedly awaiting most of the inhabitants]]; the dubious moral messages and {{Broken Aesop}}s, with a side helping of ValuesDissonance, WorldOfChaos, RandomEventsPlot, WarIsGlorious, AcceptableHardLuckTargets, TheUberMensch, and RunningTheAsylum; [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption the utter crap that many protagonists go through (especially mutants in general)]]; [[StatusQuoIsGod the inability of advanced technology and the few other positive things about the setting to]] [[ReedRichardsIsUseless actually improve things]]; the prevalence of DysfunctionJunction [[NinetiesAntihero nineties antiheroes]], [[HeroWithAnFInGood heroes with an F in good]], [[ByronicHero Byronic heroes]], or the occasional [[HeroicSociopath heroic sociopath]]; [[CosmicHorrorStory the recurrently hopeless]], [[BlackAndGrayMorality disillusioned atmosphere]], and [[{{Dystopia}} uniformly dystopian futures]]; it's little wonder that the MarvelUniverse is often considered one of these, especially during TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks where everything was DarkerAndEdgier.
** However, after being bought by the {{Disney}} corporation there seems to have been an [[ExecutiveMeddling active effort]] [[ComicBook/HeroicAge to mitigate some of the overall problems with the Marvel Universe]]. Thus, it may mostly turn into a CrapSaccharineWorld from here and onwards. It should also be noted that this isn't convenient enough to really be the conscious fault of any particular person. Continuity, and narrative restraints, including [[FriedrichNietzsche Nietzschian thematics]] simply started to build up over the years.

* Between the [[PersonOfMassDestruction many, many villains]] (some of which have galactic or even cosmic levels of power) with JokerImmunity; [[AliensAreBastards the multiple warmongering alien armadas]]; the hordes of [[EldritchAbomination eldritch abominations]], [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils demon lords]], [[JerkassGods evil deities]], or casually genocidal [[CosmicEntity cosmic entities]]; [[FireAndBrimstoneHell the eternal torture allegedly awaiting most of the inhabitants]]; the dubious moral messages and {{Broken Aesop}}s, with a side helping of ValuesDissonance, WorldOfChaos, and RunningTheAsylum; [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption the utter crap that many protagonists go through (especially mutants in general)]]; [[StatusQuoIsGod the inability of advanced technology and the few other positive things about the setting to]] [[ReedRichardsIsUseless actually improve things]]; the prevalence of DysfunctionJunction [[NinetiesAntihero nineties antiheroes]], [[HeroWithAnFInGood heroes with an F in good]], [[ByronicHero Byronic heroes]], or the occasional [[HeroicSociopath heroic sociopath]]; [[CosmicHorrorStory the recurrently hopeless]], [[BlackAndGrayMorality disillusioned atmosphere]], and [[{{Dystopia}} uniformly dystopian futures]]; it's little wonder that the MarvelUniverse is often considered one of these, especially during TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks where everything was DarkerAndEdgier.

*** He didn't seem all that sarcastic for once, actually. He seems to genuinely believe that things are getting better, despite of all the hickups. Considering that when he was child, rain was poison and only thing to eat, wear or play with were various lizard-based products, he seems to have a point. There are still horrible things in the City, but not nearly to the extent there apparently once was. Warren Ellis has always worked on the premise that the future can be better, [[EarnYourHappyEnding but we have to work for it.]]

*** He didn't seem all that sarcastic for once, actually. He seems to genuinely believe that things are getting better, despite of all the hickups. Considering that when he was child, rain was poison and only thing to eat, wear or play with were various lizard-based products, he seems to have a point. There are still horrible things in the City, but not nearly to the extent there apparently once was.

** However, after being bought by the {{Disney}} corporation there seems to have been an [[ExecutiveMeddling active effort]] [[ComicBook/HeroicAge to mitigate some of the overall problems with the Marvel Universe]]. Thus, it may mostly turn into a CrapSaccharineWorld from here and onwards. It should also be noted that this isn't convenient enough to really be the conscious fault of any particular person. Continuity and the narrative restraints simply started to build up over the years.

** However, after being bought by the {{Disney}} corporation there seems to have been an [[ExecutiveMeddling active effort]] [[ComicBook/HeroicAge to mitigate some of the overall problems with the Marvel Universe]]. Thus, it may mostly turn into a CrapSaccharineWorld from here and onwards.

* Between the [[PersonOfMassDestruction many, many villains]] (some of which have galactic or even cosmic levels of power) with JokerImmunity; [[AliensAreBastards the multiple warmongering alien armadas]]; the hordes of [[EldritchAbomination eldritch abominations]], [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils demon lords]], [[JerkassGods evil deities]], or casually genocidal [[CosmicEntity cosmic entities]]; [[FireAndBrimstoneHell the eternal torture allegedly awaiting most of the inhabitants]]; the dubious moral messages and {{Broken Aesop}}s, with a side helping of ValuesDissonance and RunningTheAsylum; [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption the utter crap that many protagonists go through (especially mutants in general)]]; [[StatusQuoIsGod the inability of advanced technology and the few other positive things about the setting to]] [[ReedRichardsIsUseless actually improve things]]; the prevalence of [[NinetiesAntihero nineties antiheroes]], [[HeroWithAnFInGood heroes with an F in good]], [[ByronicHero Byronic heroes]], or the occasional [[HeroicSociopath heroic sociopath]]; [[CosmicHorrorStory the recurrently hopeless]], [[BlackAndGrayMorality disillusioned atmosphere]], and [[{{Dystopia}} uniformly dystopian futures]]; it's little wonder that the MarvelUniverse is often considered one of these, especially during TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks where everything was DarkerAndEdgier.

** However, others disagree as DC has a much more kindhearted, idealistic, inspiring, and humane atmosphere overall than Marvel does, including multiple TheMessiah characters such as {{Superman}}, the forces of good not being nearly as outmatched, and the continuity is loose enough that they simply ''ignore'' whenever JimStarlin or similar decides to do a NietzscheWannabe GodIsEvil CosmicHorrorStory that instantly drain the setting of all hope, sanity, joy, romance, and wonder. However, as a whole the DC animation, or certain standalone works are admittedly recurrently far more constructive.

** However, others disagree as DC has a much more kindhearted, idealistic, inspiring, and humane atmosphere overall than Marvel does, including multiple TheMessiah characters such as {{Superman}}, and the continuity is loose enough that they simply ''ignore'' whenever JimStarlin or similar decides to do a NietzscheWannabe GodIsEvil CosmicHorrorStory that instantly drain the setting of all hope, sanity, romance, and wonder. However, as a whole the DC animation, or certain standalone works are admittedly recurrently far more constructive.

** However, others disagree as DC has a much more kindhearted, idealistic, inspiring, and humane atmosphere overall than Marvel does, including multiple TheMessiah characters such as {{Superman}}, and the continuity is loose enough that they simply ''ignore'' whenever JimStarlin or similar decides to do a NietzscheWannabe GodIsEvil CosmicHorrorStory that turns the setting inuerently horryible. However, as a whole the DC animation, or other standalone works are admittedly generally more constructive.

* The DCComics universe as a whole is this. Any universe that can't go more than two in-universe years at a time without ''reality itself shattering like fine china dropped from a 12th floor window'', with all the suffering and death you'd expect from such, isn't a very nice place to live. It isn't a once-over event, either- ''it happens on a regular basis''.

* Between the [[PersonOfMassDestruction many, many villains]] (some of which have galactic or even cosmic levels of power) with JokerImmunity; [[AliensAreBastards the multiple warmongering alien armadas]]; the hordes of [[EldritchAbomination eldritch abominations]], [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils demon lords]], [[JerkassGods evil deities]], or casually genocidal [[CosmicEntity cosmic entities]]; [[FireAndBrimstoneHell the eternal torture allegedly awaiting most of the inhabitants]]; the dubious moral messages and {{Broken Aesop}}s, with a side helping of ValuesDissonance and RunningTheAsylum; [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption the utter crap that many protagonists go through (especially mutants in general)]]; [[:'StatusQuoIsGod the inability of advanced technology and the few other positive things about the setting to]] [[ReedRichardsIsUseless actually improve things]]; the prevalence of [[NinetiesAntihero nineties antiheroes]], [[HeroWithAnFInGood heroes with an F in good]], [[ByronicHero Byronic heroes]], or the occasional [[HeroicSociopath heroic sociopath]]; [[CosmicHorrorStory the recurrently hopeless]], [[BlackAndGrayMorality disillusioned atmosphere]], and [[{{Dystopia}} uniformly dystopian futures]]; it's little wonder that the MarvelUniverse is often considered one of these, especially during TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks where everything was DarkerAndEdgier.

* Between the [[PersonOfMassDestruction many, many villains]] (some of which have galactic or even cosmic levels of power) with JokerImmunity; [[AliensAreBastards the multiple warmongering alien armadas]]; the hordes of [[EldritchAbomination eldritch abominations]], [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils demon lords]], [[JerkassGods evil deities]], or casually genocidal [[CosmicEntity cosmic entities]]; [[FireAndBrimstoneHell the eternal torture allegedly awaiting most of the inhabitants]]; the dubious moral messages and {{Broken Aesop}}s, with a side helping of ValuesDissonance and RunningTheAsylum; the utter crap that many protagonists go through (especially mutants in general); the inability of advanced technology and the few other positive things about the setting to [[ReedRichardsIsUseless actually improve things]]; the prevalence of [[NinetiesAntihero nineties antiheroes]], [[HeroWithAnFInGood heroes with an F in good]], [[ByronicHero Byronic heroes]], or the occasional [[HeroicSociopath heroic sociopath]]; [[CosmicHorrorStory the recurrently hopeless]], [[BlackAndGrayMorality disillusioned atmosphere]], and [[{{Dystopia}} uniformly dystopian futures]]; it's little wonder that the MarvelUniverse is often considered one of these, especially during TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks where everything was DarkerAndEdgier.

* Between the [[PersonOfMassDestruction many, many villains]] (some of which have galactic or even cosmic levels of power) with JokerImmunity; [[AliensAreBastards the multiple warmongering alien armadas]]; the hordes of [[EldritchAbomination eldritch abominations]], [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils demon lords]], [[JerkassGods evil deities]], or casually genocidal [[CosmicEntity cosmic entities]]; [[FireAndBrimstoneHell the eternal torture allegedly awaiting most of the inhabitants]]; the dubious moral messages and {{Broken Aesop}}s, with a side helping of ValuesDissonance and RunningTheAsylum; the utter crap that many protagonists go through (especially mutants in general); the inability of advanced technology and the few other positive things about the setting to [[ReedRichardsIsUseless actually improve things]]; the prevalence of [[NinetiesAntihero nineties antiheroes]], [[HeroWithAnFInGood heroes with an F in good]], [[ByronicHero Byronic heroes]], or the occasional [[HeroicSociopath heroic sociopath]]; [[NietzscheWannabe the recurrently hopeless]], [[BlackAndGrayMorality disillusioned atmosphere]], and [[{{Dystopia}} uniformly dystopian futures]]; it's little wonder that the MarvelUniverse is often considered one of these, especially during TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks where everything was DarkerAndEdgier.

* Between the [[PersonOfMassDestruction many, many villains]] (some of which have galactic or even cosmic levels of power) with JokerImmunity; [[AliensAreBastards the multiple warmongering alien armadas]]; the hordes of [[EldritchAbomination eldritch abominations]], [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils demon lords]], [[JerkassGods evil deities]], or casually genocidal [[CosmicEntity cosmic entities]]; [[FireAndBrimstoneHell the eternal torture allegedly awaiting most of the inhabitants]]; the dubious moral messages and {{Broken Aesop}}s, with a side helping of ValuesDissonance and RunningTheAsylum; the utter crap that many protagonists go through (especially mutants in general); the inability of advanced technology and the few other positive things about the setting to [[ReedRichardsIsUseless actually improve things]]; the prevalence of [[NinetiesAntihero nineties antiheroes]], [[HeroWithAnFInGood heroes with an F in good]], [[ByronicHero Byronic heroes]], or the occasional [[HeroicSociopath heroic sociopath]]; [[NietzscheWannabe and the recurrently hopeless, disillusioned atmosphere]]; it's little wonder that the MarvelUniverse is often considered one of these, especially during TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks where everything was DarkerAndEdgier.

* Between the many, many villains (some of which have galactic or even cosmic levels of power) with JokerImmunity; [[AliensAreBastards the multiple warmongering alien armadas]]; the hordes of [[EldritchAbomination eldritch abominations]], [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils demon lords]], [[JerkassGods evil deities]], or casually genocidal [[CosmicEntity cosmic entities]]; [[FireAndBrimstoneHell the eternal torture allegedly awaiting most of the inhabitants]]; the dubious moral messages and {{Broken Aesop}}s, with a side helping of ValuesDissonance and RunningTheAsylum; the utter crap that many protagonists go through (especially mutants in general); the inability of advanced technology and the few other positive things about the setting to [[ReedRichardsIsUseless actually improve things]]; the prevalence of [[NinetiesAntihero nineties antiheroes]], [[HeroWithAnFInGood heroes with an F in good]], [[ByronicHero Byronic heroes]], or the occasional [[HeroicSociopath heroic sociopath]]; [[NietzscheWannabe and the recurrently hopeless, disillusioned atmosphere]]; it's little wonder that the MarvelUniverse is often considered one of these, especially during TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks where everything was DarkerAndEdgier.

* Between the many, many villains (some of which have galactic or even cosmic levels of power) with JokerImmunity; the multiple warmongering alien armadas; the hordes of [[EldritchAbomination eldritch abominations]], [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils demon lords]], [[JerkassGods evil deities]], or casually genocidal [[CosmicEntity cosmic entities]]; [[FireAndBrimstoneHell the eternal torture allegedly awaiting most of the inhabitants]]; the dubious moral messages and {{Broken Aesop}}s, with a side helping of ValuesDissonance and RunningTheAsylum; the utter crap that many protagonists go through (especially mutants in general); the inability of advanced technology and the few other positive things about the setting to [[ReedRichardsIsUseless actually improve things]]; the prevalence of [[NinetiesAntihero nineties antiheroes]], [[HeroWithAnFInGood heroes with an F in good]], [[ByronicHero Byronic heroes]], or the occasional [[HeroicSociopath heroic sociopath]]; [[NietzscheWannabe and the recurrently hopeless, disillusioned atmosphere]]; it's little wonder that the MarvelUniverse is often considered one of these, especially during TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks where everything was DarkerAndEdgier.

* Between the many, many villains (some of which have galactic or even cosmic levels of power) with JokerImmunity; the multiple warmongering alien armadas; the hordes of [[EldritchAbomination eldritch abominations]], [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils demon lords]], [[JerkassGods evil deities]], or casually genocidal [[CosmicEntity cosmic entities]]; the eternal torture awaiting most of the inhabitants; the dubious moral messages and {{Broken Aesop}}s, with a side helping of ValuesDissonance; the utter crap that many protagonists go through (especially mutants in general); the inability of advanced technology and the few other positive things about the setting to [[ReedRichardsIsUseless actually improve things]]; and the prevalence of [[NinetiesAntihero nineties antiheroes]], [[HeroWithAnFInGood heroes with an F in good]], or [[ByronicHero Byronic heroes]]; it's little wonder that the MarvelUniverse is often considered one of these, especially during TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks where everything was DarkerAndEdgier.

* Between the many, many villains (some of which have galactic or even cosmic levels of power) with JokerImmunity, the dubious moral messages and {{Broken Aesop}}s with a side helping of ValuesDissonance, the utter crap that many protagonists go through (especially mutants in general) and the inability of advanced technology and the few other positive things about the setting to [[ReedRichardsIsUseless actually improve things]], it's little wonder that the MarvelUniverse is often considered one of these, especially during TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks where everything was DarkerAndEdgier.
** However, after being bought by the {{Disney}} corporation there seems to have been an [[ExecutiveMeddling active effort]] [[ComicBook/HeroicAge to do something about some of the overall problems with the Marvel Universe]]. Thus, it may mostly turn into a CrapSaccharineWorld from here and onwards.