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Both have the same hatred over Jiran's Red Raids, but their motivations and the causes of their villainy are a contrast. Dervahl's {{Revenge}} motivation solely started due to the deaths of his daughter and his wife from the Sun-Ring. Regalla's vengeance was catalyzed by the deaths of her younger brothers after [[KillItWithFire they were burned alive by Jiran]]. Dervahl, while a GadgeteerGenius who uses technologies he invented like the Sonic Device, as well as machine lures, in order to gain advantage against his opponents, is a warrior with combat experience, but he has limited understanding of ancient technology. Regalla is a battle-hardened warrior with years of ''actual'' combat and battle experience in line with her Tenakth heritage, but also having some understanding of ancient technology [[spoiler:thanks to Sylens]]. Both also wanted to kill Avad and commit genocide against the Carja, albeit for different reasons. Dervahl wants to bomb Meridian with piles of Blaze bombs stored inside a warehouse, to turn the capital ablaze and kill Avad. Regalla [[spoiler:and later Asera]] strikes a deal with [[spoiler:Sylens]], plans an invasion to the Memorial Grove to usurp Hekarro and subsequently use her army of rebels and overridden machines to invade Meridian [[spoiler:unaware that she was being used by Sylens as fodders for the attack of the Zenith base.]] While Dervahl remained unrepentant after being defeated by Aloy, complete with gloating, Regalla's defeat was portrayed in a more sympathetic light as her death scene at the end with the Tenakth honoring including Hekarro showed that they honored her despite the atrocious acts she committed throughout the game.

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Both have the same hatred over Jiran's Red Raids, but their motivations and the causes of their villainy are a contrast. Dervahl's {{Revenge}} motivation solely started due to the deaths of his daughter and his wife from the Sun-Ring. Regalla's vengeance was catalyzed by the deaths of her younger brothers after [[KillItWithFire they were burned alive by Jiran]]. Dervahl, while a GadgeteerGenius who uses technologies he invented like the Sonic Device, as well as machine lures, in order to gain advantage against his opponents, is a warrior with combat experience, but he has limited understanding of ancient technology. Regalla is a battle-hardened warrior with years of ''actual'' combat and battle experience in line with her Tenakth heritage, but also having some understanding of ancient technology [[spoiler:thanks to Sylens]]. Both also wanted to kill Avad and commit genocide against the Carja, albeit for different reasons. Dervahl wants to bomb Meridian with piles of Blaze bombs stored inside a warehouse, to turn the capital ablaze and kill Avad. Regalla [[spoiler:and later [[spoiler:through Asera]] strikes a deal with [[spoiler:Sylens]], plans an invasion to the Memorial Grove to usurp Hekarro and subsequently use her army of rebels and overridden machines to invade Meridian [[spoiler:unaware that she was being used by Sylens as fodders fodder for the attack of the Zenith base.]] While Dervahl remained unrepentant after being defeated by Aloy, complete with gloating, Regalla's defeat was portrayed in a more sympathetic light as her death scene at the end with the Tenakth honoring including Hekarro showed that they honored her despite the atrocious acts she committed throughout the game.
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Both are AIs derived from components of GAIA, and the only rogue subfunctions that pose an active threat to humanity. However, their similarities largely end there.

While HADES is a malicious OmnicidalManiac trying to end earthly life, HEPHAESTUS is a WellIntentionedExtremist whose aggression towards humanity is for the protection of the terraforming system, and thus life on Earth. Following GAIA's self-destruction, HADES fled to the processing module of a derelict Horus, thus isolating it from the terraforming system. HEPHAESTUS fled to the global Cauldron network, and over the years evolved into an effective GhostInTheSystem. Ironically, this culminates in HEPHAESTUS being arguably the greater existential threat, as its continued rampancy has triggered major disruptions for humanity, including large-scale war. HADES would have been effectively powerless were it not for Sylens' aid.

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While HADES is a malicious OmnicidalManiac trying to end earthly life, HEPHAESTUS is a WellIntentionedExtremist whose aggression towards humanity is for the protection of the terraforming system, and thus life on Earth. Following GAIA's self-destruction, HADES fled to the processing module of a derelict Horus, thus isolating it from the terraforming system. HEPHAESTUS fled to the global Cauldron network, and over the years evolved into an effective GhostInTheSystem. Ironically, this culminates in HEPHAESTUS being arguably the greater existential threat, as its continued rampancy has triggered major disruptions for humanity, including large-scale war. HADES would have been effectively powerless were it not for Sylens' aid.
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Unlike HADES, an AI with control over people whose intention is based on just following its programming, they are flesh and blood humans with control over machines and fully conscious of their actions, with long-term plans in play. Primarily, they serve as the contrast to the Eclipse, the main antagonistic faction of the prequel.

In line with it, both the Eclipse and Far Zenith's association to Earth's eras contrast from one another. The Eclipse are strongly associated to the tribal, primitive past of Earth where they are FuturePrimitives who largely rely on using primitive weapons, ancient FARO machines and Focuses that Sylens supplied on them to communicate from one to the other. Far Zenith are strongly associated to the more technologically advanced future of Earth, as they are AdvancedAncientHumans who have highly technological weapons including a golden arm cannon and in Erik's case golden blades made from nanotechnology, as well as energy shields; unlike the Eclipse who used Corruptors and Deathbringers, Far Zenith use the highly advanced Specters and the bigger Specter Drones as their go-to machines.

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Unlike HADES, an AI with control over people whose intention is based on just following its programming, they are flesh and blood humans with control over machines and fully conscious of their actions, with long-term plans in play. Primarily, they serve as the contrast to the Eclipse, the main antagonistic faction of the prequel.

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Unlike HADES, an AI with control over people whose intention is based on just following its programming, they are flesh and blood humans with control over machines and fully conscious of their actions, with long-term plans in play. They are also a contrast to the Eclipse, the main antagonistic faction of ''Zero Dawn''. Whereas the Eclipse's weaponry are both ancient and rudimentary in nature, as well as using long-buried ancient FARO machines as their muscle, the Zeniths are equipped with state-of-the-art futuristic weaponry like energy cannons and shields and they use the more advanced Specters as their go-to machines.

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Unlike HADES, an AI with control over people whose intention is based on just following its programming, they are flesh and blood humans with control over machines and fully conscious of their actions, with long-term plans in play. They are also a Primarily, they serve as the contrast to the Eclipse, the main antagonistic faction of ''Zero Dawn''. Whereas the Eclipse's weaponry are prequel.

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both ancient the Eclipse and rudimentary in nature, as well as Far Zenith's association to Earth's eras contrast from one another. The Eclipse are strongly associated to the tribal, primitive past of Earth where they are FuturePrimitives who largely rely on using long-buried primitive weapons, ancient FARO machines as their muscle, and Focuses that Sylens supplied on them to communicate from one to the Zeniths other. Far Zenith are equipped with state-of-the-art futuristic weaponry like energy cannons and shields and they use strongly associated to the more technologically advanced future of Earth, as they are AdvancedAncientHumans who have highly technological weapons including a golden arm cannon and in Erik's case golden blades made from nanotechnology, as well as energy shields; unlike the Eclipse who used Corruptors and Deathbringers, Far Zenith use the highly advanced Specters and the bigger Specter Drones as their go-to machines.

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Asera's too similar to Dervahl to qualify as a "contrasting" sequel antagonist.


Both are AIs, but their functionalities completely differ, as in line with their creation as parts of GAIA. With HADES, who wants to reset the biosphere without GAIA and even attempted another FARO Plague, HEPHAESTUS actively arms the machines in the Cut and turned them into the much deadlier Daemonic versions of themselves, making them even more formidable than their originals. HEPHAESTUS is also distinct to HADES, as its physical presence is mostly invisible, appearing to be remote-accessing the Machine Cauldrons around the globe, rather than with HADES whose red tendrils can be clearly seen on a Horus' Quantum Processing module. HADES also has a limited level of human-machine sentience, whereas HEPHAESTUS' sentience is limited to a sequence of tasks (no longer true after HEPHAESTUS's takeover of CYAN, which gave him human speech and sentience). HEPHAESTUS is also not worshiped by a major cult or a tribe, unlike HADES who was worshiped as the "Buried Shadow" by the Eclipse and the Shadow Carja.

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Both are AIs, but AIs derived from components of GAIA, and the only rogue subfunctions that pose an active threat to humanity. However, their functionalities completely differ, as in line with their creation as parts of GAIA. With HADES, who wants similarities largely end there.

While HADES is a malicious OmnicidalManiac trying
to reset the biosphere without GAIA and even attempted another FARO Plague, HEPHAESTUS actively arms the machines in the Cut and turned them into the much deadlier Daemonic versions of themselves, making them even more formidable than their originals. end earthly life, HEPHAESTUS is also distinct a WellIntentionedExtremist whose aggression towards humanity is for the protection of the terraforming system, and thus life on Earth. Following GAIA's self-destruction, HADES fled to HADES, the processing module of a derelict Horus, thus isolating it from the terraforming system. HEPHAESTUS fled to the global Cauldron network, and over the years evolved into an effective GhostInTheSystem. Ironically, this culminates in HEPHAESTUS being arguably the greater existential threat, as its physical presence is mostly invisible, appearing to be remote-accessing the Machine Cauldrons around the globe, rather than with continued rampancy has triggered major disruptions for humanity, including large-scale war. HADES whose red tendrils can be clearly seen would have been effectively powerless were it not for Sylens' aid.

HADES is strongly associated with the past: not only has it long-since served its intended purpose, its separation from the terraforming system has forced it to rely mainly
on reactivated ancient war machines and a cult formed of [[TheRemnant loyalists to an usurped despot]]. HADES is itself confined within a Horus' Quantum Processing module. HADES also has a limited level of human-machine sentience, whereas HEPHAESTUS' sentience is limited to a sequence of tasks (no longer true after HEPHAESTUS's takeover of CYAN, which gave him human speech and sentience). processing module, yet another ancient machine. HEPHAESTUS is also not worshiped by a major cult or a tribe, unlike HADES who was worshiped as more subtly associated with the "Buried Shadow" by future and progress, in line with its design as a driver of MechanicalEvolution: aside from making more powerful and dangerous machines, the Eclipse Derangement is one of the main influences in tribal culture and the Shadow Carja.politics in recent decades.



!!''VideoGame/HorizonCallOfTheMountain''
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Asera is the BigBad of ''Call of the Mountain'' and a minor antagonist in ''Forbidden West''. Amongst the highly patriarchal Oseram, she is the only one who is a female and TheLeader of what will later be known as the Sons of Prometheus. While Dervahl plans to destroy Meridian and kill Avad through blaze bombs, she is a known GadgeteerGenius who utilizes machine overrides without the need of entering Cauldrons, even before Sylens introduces her to them, in her (failed) retaliatory attack to the Carja capital through an army of machines.
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Both have the same hatred over Jiran's Red Raids, but their motivations and the causes of their villainy are a contrast. Dervahl's {{Revenge}} motivation solely started due to the deaths of his daughter and his wife from the Sun-Ring. Regalla's vengeance was catalysed by the deaths of her younger brothers after [[KillItWithFire they were burnt alive by Jiran]]. Dervahl, while a GadgeteerGenius who uses technologies he invented like the Sonic Device, as well as machine lures, in order to gain advantage against his opponents, is a warrior with combat experience, but he has limited understanding of ancient technology. Regalla is a battle-hardened warrior with years of ''actual'' combat and battle experience in line with her Tenakth heritage, but also having some understanding of ancient technology [[spoiler:thanks to Sylens]]. Both also wanted to kill Avad and commit genocide against the Carja, albeit for different reasons. Dervahl wants to bomb Meridian with piles of Blaze bombs stored inside a warehouse, to turn the capital ablaze and kill Avad. Regalla [[spoiler:and later Asera]] strikes a deal with [[spoiler:Sylens]], plans an invasion to the Memorial Grove to usurp Hekarro and subsequently use her army of rebels and overridden machines to invade Meridian [[spoiler:unaware that she was being used by Sylens as fodders for the attack of the Zenith base.]] While Dervahl remained unrepentant after being defeated by Aloy, complete with gloating, Regalla's defeat was portrayed in a more sympathetic light as her death scene at the end with the Tenakth honouring including Hekarro showed that they honoured her despite the atrocious acts she committed throughout the game.

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Both have the same hatred over Jiran's Red Raids, but their motivations and the causes of their villainy are a contrast. Dervahl's {{Revenge}} motivation solely started due to the deaths of his daughter and his wife from the Sun-Ring. Regalla's vengeance was catalysed catalyzed by the deaths of her younger brothers after [[KillItWithFire they were burnt burned alive by Jiran]]. Dervahl, while a GadgeteerGenius who uses technologies he invented like the Sonic Device, as well as machine lures, in order to gain advantage against his opponents, is a warrior with combat experience, but he has limited understanding of ancient technology. Regalla is a battle-hardened warrior with years of ''actual'' combat and battle experience in line with her Tenakth heritage, but also having some understanding of ancient technology [[spoiler:thanks to Sylens]]. Both also wanted to kill Avad and commit genocide against the Carja, albeit for different reasons. Dervahl wants to bomb Meridian with piles of Blaze bombs stored inside a warehouse, to turn the capital ablaze and kill Avad. Regalla [[spoiler:and later Asera]] strikes a deal with [[spoiler:Sylens]], plans an invasion to the Memorial Grove to usurp Hekarro and subsequently use her army of rebels and overridden machines to invade Meridian [[spoiler:unaware that she was being used by Sylens as fodders for the attack of the Zenith base.]] While Dervahl remained unrepentant after being defeated by Aloy, complete with gloating, Regalla's defeat was portrayed in a more sympathetic light as her death scene at the end with the Tenakth honouring honoring including Hekarro showed that they honoured honored her despite the atrocious acts she committed throughout the game.



Despite being a member of Far Zenith (themselves a contrast to HADES, the Eclipse and the machines from the first game), he’s visually distinct compared to Erik, Gerard, and Tilda, looking more aged and "natural" compared to their uncanny agelessness. While his plot also involves getting offworld before NEMESIS arrives, he also takes the opportunity to exploit the Quen’s worship of the Old Ones to set himself up as a cult leader. And in contrast to the other Zeniths, he's willing to take some of the locals with him. He "auditions" his followers to select those with personalities like those of his old inner circle, including his lost love, and then plans to escape the coming apocalypse on a new planet with his new retinue, ruling as a god over an utterly compliant population comprised of clones of his other followers. While he is also a FinalBoss, he uses an ancient Horus during his boss battle, in contrast to Tilda who used an appropriarely futuristic Specter Prime exoframe in her own boss battle.

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Despite being a member of Far Zenith (themselves a contrast to HADES, the Eclipse and the machines from the first game), he’s visually distinct compared to Erik, Gerard, and Tilda, looking more aged and "natural" compared to their uncanny agelessness. While his plot also involves getting offworld off-world before NEMESIS arrives, he also takes the opportunity to exploit the Quen’s worship of the Old Ones to set himself up as a cult leader. And in contrast to the other Zeniths, he's willing to take some of the locals with him. He "auditions" his followers to select those with personalities like those of his old inner circle, including his lost love, and then plans to escape the coming apocalypse on a new planet with his new retinue, ruling as a god over an utterly compliant population comprised of clones of his other followers. While he is also a FinalBoss, he uses an ancient Horus during his boss battle, in contrast to Tilda who used an appropriarely appropriately futuristic Specter Prime exoframe in her own boss battle.



While both cultist organisations worship a specific "deity", with the Eclipse and the Shadow Carja worshiping the rogue AI HADES as the "Buried Shadow", the Devotees worship Londra, a "God" who is a human in flesh and blood. The Eclipse members are seen as AlwaysChaoticEvil, whereas the Devotees, especially the ones given the faulty MSP treatment by Londra, are seen as BrainwashedAndCrazy, and with the ones who were subjected to the improved treatment are submissive and compliant.

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While both cultist organisations organizations worship a specific "deity", with the Eclipse and the Shadow Carja worshiping the rogue AI HADES as the "Buried Shadow", the Devotees worship Londra, a "God" who is a human in flesh and blood. The Eclipse members are seen as AlwaysChaoticEvil, whereas the Devotees, especially the ones given the faulty MSP treatment by Londra, are seen as BrainwashedAndCrazy, and with the ones who were subjected to the improved treatment are submissive and compliant.compliant.




Both serve as TheDragon to the main villain, with Zeth to Londra and Helis to HADES. While Helis is the commander of the Red Raids with a vicious personality and having a fanaticism to Jiran, Zeth is a member of the Quen's Eastern Expedition who is known for his temper amongst his shipmates. Helis uses a blast sling and a sword in combat, while Zeth uses a futuristic Specter Gauntlet and his raw strength. Both are also extremely fanatical, but Helis is fanatically devoted to Jiran, the Mad Sun-King of the Carja, while Zeth is fanatically devoted to Walter Londra, an affluent business magnate and a member of the Far Zenith.

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Both serve as TheDragon to the main villain, with Zeth to Londra and Helis to HADES. While Helis is the commander of the Red Raids with a vicious personality and having a fanaticism to Jiran, Zeth is a member of the Quen's Eastern Expedition who is known for his temper amongst his shipmates. Helis uses a blast sling and a sword in combat, while Zeth uses a futuristic Specter Gauntlet and his raw strength. Both are also extremely fanatical, but Helis is fanatically devoted to Jiran, the Mad Sun-King of the Carja, while Zeth is fanatically devoted to Walter Londra, an affluent business magnate and a member of the Far Zenith.
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Both are AIs, but their functionalities completely differ, as in line with their creation as parts of GAIA. With HADES, who wants to reset biosphere without GAIA and even attempted another FARO Plague, HEPHAESTUS actively arms the machines in the Cut and turned them into the much deadlier Daemonic versions of themselves, making them even more formidable than their originals. HEPHAESTUS is also distinct to HADES, as its physical presence is mostly invisible, appearing to be remote-accessing the Machine Cauldrons around the globe, rather than with HADES whose red tendrils can be clearly seen on a Horus' Quantum Processing module. HADES also has a limited level of human-machine sentience, whereas HEPHAESTUS' sentience is limited to a sequence of tasks (no longer true after HEPH's takeover of CYAN, which gave him human speech and sentience). HEPHAESTUS is also not worshipped by a major cult or a tribe, unlike HADES who was worshipped as the "Buried Shadow" by the Eclipse and the Shadow Carja.

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Both are AIs, but their functionalities completely differ, as in line with their creation as parts of GAIA. With HADES, who wants to reset the biosphere without GAIA and even attempted another FARO Plague, HEPHAESTUS actively arms the machines in the Cut and turned them into the much deadlier Daemonic versions of themselves, making them even more formidable than their originals. HEPHAESTUS is also distinct to HADES, as its physical presence is mostly invisible, appearing to be remote-accessing the Machine Cauldrons around the globe, rather than with HADES whose red tendrils can be clearly seen on a Horus' Quantum Processing module. HADES also has a limited level of human-machine sentience, whereas HEPHAESTUS' sentience is limited to a sequence of tasks (no longer true after HEPH's HEPHAESTUS's takeover of CYAN, which gave him human speech and sentience). HEPHAESTUS is also not worshipped worshiped by a major cult or a tribe, unlike HADES who was worshipped worshiped as the "Buried Shadow" by the Eclipse and the Shadow Carja.



Both are rogue Oseram men who betrayed Avad and their allies after they grew disillusioned over his father, the Mad-Sun King Jiran, and became obsessed with revenge in killing him. But their motivations are starkly contrasting to one another. While Dervahl uses the alliance with Avad in order to gain revenge against the Carja through bombing, Korl uses it out of pure greed, whom he wants to plunder the Carja once Meridian has been captured. Contrasting to Dervahl's EvilGenius, who uses weaponry he invented like his trademark Sonic Device made of Tearblasters, as well as Machine Lures, Korl serves more as TheBrute, prioritising physical, brute strength over intelligence, being able to overpower the Vanguard member Erend in a fistfight, at one instance, with just his bare hands.

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Both are rogue Oseram men who betrayed Avad and their allies after they grew disillusioned over his father, the Mad-Sun King Jiran, and became obsessed with revenge in killing him. But their motivations are starkly contrasting to one another. While Dervahl uses the alliance with Avad in order to gain revenge against the Carja through bombing, Korl uses it out of pure greed, whom he wants to plunder the Carja once Meridian has been captured. Contrasting to Dervahl's EvilGenius, who uses weaponry he invented like his trademark Sonic Device made of Tearblasters, as well as Machine Lures, Korl serves more as TheBrute, prioritising prioritizing physical, brute strength over intelligence, being able to overpower the Vanguard member Erend in a fistfight, at one instance, with just his bare hands.



Asera is the BigBad of ''Call of the Mountain'' and a minor antagonist in ''Forbidden West''. Amongst the highly patriarchal Oseram, she is the only one who is a female and TheLeader of what will later be known as the Sons of Prometheus. While Dervahl plans to destroy Meridian and kill Avad through blaze bombs, she is a known GadgeteerGenius who utilises machine overrides without the need of entering Cauldrons, even before Sylens introduces her to them, in her (failed) retaliatory attack to the Carja capital through an army of machines.

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Asera is the BigBad of ''Call of the Mountain'' and a minor antagonist in ''Forbidden West''. Amongst the highly patriarchal Oseram, she is the only one who is a female and TheLeader of what will later be known as the Sons of Prometheus. While Dervahl plans to destroy Meridian and kill Avad through blaze bombs, she is a known GadgeteerGenius who utilises utilizes machine overrides without the need of entering Cauldrons, even before Sylens introduces her to them, in her (failed) retaliatory attack to the Carja capital through an army of machines.



Both are HateSink SocialDarwinists with little regard for humanity, seeing anything they oppose as weak, as well as saving their own skin. While Bahavas seems to be interested in weeding out the sick and old for the Shadow Carja's elite, even holding Itamen and Nasadi hostage, Gerard has an extreme disdain for new humanity, regardless of their status and social standing, often seeing them as "insects" and "bugs" and is actively open in exterminating them, exemplified when he and his Zeniths massacred a group of tribals mercilessly from an unknown tribe, as well as ordering Erik to kill Aloy's companion [[spoiler:Varl]]. With Bahavas, despite his despicable nature, even fanatically worshipped by a group of like-minded Shadow Carja elite and his co-High Priests, Gerard is virtually respected by ''absolutely no one'', even by his AxCrazy right-hand Erik.

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Both are HateSink SocialDarwinists with little regard for humanity, seeing anything they oppose as weak, as well as saving their own skin. While Bahavas seems to be interested in weeding out the sick and old for the Shadow Carja's elite, even holding Itamen and Nasadi hostage, Gerard has an extreme disdain for new humanity, regardless of their status and social standing, often seeing them as "insects" and "bugs" and is actively open in exterminating them, exemplified when he and his Zeniths massacred a group of tribals mercilessly from an unknown tribe, as well as ordering Erik to kill Aloy's companion [[spoiler:Varl]]. With Bahavas, despite his despicable nature, even fanatically worshipped worshiped by a group of like-minded Shadow Carja elite and his co-High Priests, Gerard is virtually respected by ''absolutely no one'', even by his AxCrazy right-hand Erik.



While both cultist organisations worship a specific "deity", with the Eclipse and the Shadow Carja worshipping the rogue AI HADES as the "Buried Shadow", the Devotees worship Londra, a "God" who is a human in flesh and blood. The Eclipse members are seen as AlwaysChaoticEvil, whereas the Devotees, especially the ones given the faulty MSP treatment by Londra, are seen as BrainwashedAndCrazy, and with the ones who were subjected to the improved treatment are submissive and compliant.

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While both cultist organisations worship a specific "deity", with the Eclipse and the Shadow Carja worshipping worshiping the rogue AI HADES as the "Buried Shadow", the Devotees worship Londra, a "God" who is a human in flesh and blood. The Eclipse members are seen as AlwaysChaoticEvil, whereas the Devotees, especially the ones given the faulty MSP treatment by Londra, are seen as BrainwashedAndCrazy, and with the ones who were subjected to the improved treatment are submissive and compliant.
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Both serve as TheDragon to the main villain, with Zeth to Londra and Helis to HADES. While Helis is the commander of the Red Raids with a vicious personality and having a fanaticism to Jiran, Zeth is a member of the Quen Expedition who is known for his temper. Helis uses a blast sling and a sword in combat, while Zeth uses a futuristic Specter Gauntlet and his raw strength. Both are also extremely fanatical, but Helis is fanatically devoted to Jiran, the Mad Sun-King of the Carja, while Zeth is fanatically devoted to Walter Londra, an affluent business magnate and a member of the Far Zenith.

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Both serve as TheDragon to the main villain, with Zeth to Londra and Helis to HADES. While Helis is the commander of the Red Raids with a vicious personality and having a fanaticism to Jiran, Zeth is a member of the Quen Quen's Eastern Expedition who is known for his temper.temper amongst his shipmates. Helis uses a blast sling and a sword in combat, while Zeth uses a futuristic Specter Gauntlet and his raw strength. Both are also extremely fanatical, but Helis is fanatically devoted to Jiran, the Mad Sun-King of the Carja, while Zeth is fanatically devoted to Walter Londra, an affluent business magnate and a member of the Far Zenith.
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Both serve as TheDragon to the main villain, with Zeth to Londra and Helis to HADES. While Helis is the commander of the Red Raids with a vicious personality and having a fanaticism to Jiran, Zeth is a member of the Quen Expedition who is known for his temper. Helis uses a blast sling and a sword in combat, while Zeth uses a futuristic Specter Cannon and his raw strength. Both are also extremely fanatical, but Helis is fanatically devoted to Jiran, the Mad Sun-King of the Carja, while Zeth is fanatically devoted to Walter Londra, an affluent business magnate and a member of the Far Zenith.

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Both serve as TheDragon to the main villain, with Zeth to Londra and Helis to HADES. While Helis is the commander of the Red Raids with a vicious personality and having a fanaticism to Jiran, Zeth is a member of the Quen Expedition who is known for his temper. Helis uses a blast sling and a sword in combat, while Zeth uses a futuristic Specter Cannon Gauntlet and his raw strength. Both are also extremely fanatical, but Helis is fanatically devoted to Jiran, the Mad Sun-King of the Carja, while Zeth is fanatically devoted to Walter Londra, an affluent business magnate and a member of the Far Zenith.

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The Quen Devotees, Londra's cult, also serve as a contrast to ''Zero Dawn's'' Eclipse. While both cultist organisations worship a specific "deity", with the Eclipse and the Shadow Carja worshipping the rogue AI HADES as the "Buried Shadow", the Devotees worship Londra, a "God" who is a human in flesh and blood. The Eclipse members are seen as AlwaysChaoticEvil, whereas the Devotees, especially the ones given the faulty MSP treatment by Londra, are seen as BrainwashedAndCrazy, and with the ones who were subjected to the improved treatment are submissive and compliant.

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The Quen Devotees, Londra's cult, also serve as a contrast to ''Zero Dawn's'' Eclipse. While both cultist organisations worship a specific "deity", with the Eclipse and the Shadow Carja worshipping the rogue AI HADES as the "Buried Shadow", the Devotees worship Londra, a "God" who is a human in flesh and blood. The Eclipse members are seen as AlwaysChaoticEvil, whereas the Devotees, especially the ones given the faulty MSP treatment by Londra, are seen as BrainwashedAndCrazy, and with the ones who were subjected to the improved treatment are submissive and compliant.
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HEPHAESTUS is this to HADES. While both are AIs, their functionalities completely differ, as in line with their creation as parts of GAIA. With HADES, who wants to reset biosphere without GAIA and even attempted another FARO Plague, HEPHAESTUS actively arms the machines in the Cut and turned them into the much deadlier Daemonic versions of themselves, making them even more formidable than their originals. HEPHAESTUS is also distinct to HADES, as its physical presence is mostly invisible, appearing to be remote-accessing the Machine Cauldrons around the globe, rather than with HADES whose red tendrils can be clearly seen on a Horus' Quantum Processing module. HADES also has a limited level of human-machine sentience, whereas HEPHAESTUS' sentience is limited to a sequence of tasks (no longer true after HEPH's takeover of CYAN, which gave him human speech and sentience). HEPHAESTUS is also not worshipped by a major cult or a tribe, unlike HADES who was worshipped as the "Buried Shadow" by the Eclipse and the Shadow Carja.

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HEPHAESTUS is this to HADES. While both Both are AIs, but their functionalities completely differ, as in line with their creation as parts of GAIA. With HADES, who wants to reset biosphere without GAIA and even attempted another FARO Plague, HEPHAESTUS actively arms the machines in the Cut and turned them into the much deadlier Daemonic versions of themselves, making them even more formidable than their originals. HEPHAESTUS is also distinct to HADES, as its physical presence is mostly invisible, appearing to be remote-accessing the Machine Cauldrons around the globe, rather than with HADES whose red tendrils can be clearly seen on a Horus' Quantum Processing module. HADES also has a limited level of human-machine sentience, whereas HEPHAESTUS' sentience is limited to a sequence of tasks (no longer true after HEPH's takeover of CYAN, which gave him human speech and sentience). HEPHAESTUS is also not worshipped by a major cult or a tribe, unlike HADES who was worshipped as the "Buried Shadow" by the Eclipse and the Shadow Carja.
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Walter Londra is this to the Far Zenith and Tilda. Despite being a member of Far Zenith (themselves a contrast to HADES, the Eclipse and the machines from the first game), he’s visually distinct compared to Erik, Gerard, and Tilda, looking more aged and "natural" compared to their uncanny agelessness. While his plot also involves getting offworld before NEMESIS arrives, he also takes the opportunity to exploit the Quen’s worship of the Old Ones to set himself up as a cult leader. And in contrast to the other Zeniths, he's willing to take some of the locals with him. He "auditions" his followers to select those with personalities like those of his old inner circle, including his lost love, and then plans to escape the coming apocalypse on a new planet with his new retinue, ruling as a god over an utterly compliant population comprised of clones of his other followers. While he is also a FinalBoss, he uses an ancient Horus during his boss battle, in contrast to Tilda who used an appropriarely futuristic Specter Prime exoframe in her own boss battle.

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Walter Londra is this to the Far Zenith and Tilda. Despite being a member of Far Zenith (themselves a contrast to HADES, the Eclipse and the machines from the first game), he’s visually distinct compared to Erik, Gerard, and Tilda, looking more aged and "natural" compared to their uncanny agelessness. While his plot also involves getting offworld before NEMESIS arrives, he also takes the opportunity to exploit the Quen’s worship of the Old Ones to set himself up as a cult leader. And in contrast to the other Zeniths, he's willing to take some of the locals with him. He "auditions" his followers to select those with personalities like those of his old inner circle, including his lost love, and then plans to escape the coming apocalypse on a new planet with his new retinue, ruling as a god over an utterly compliant population comprised of clones of his other followers. While he is also a FinalBoss, he uses an ancient Horus during his boss battle, in contrast to Tilda who used an appropriarely futuristic Specter Prime exoframe in her own boss battle.
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[[folder:Korl and Dervahl]]
Both are rogue Oseram men who betrayed Avad and their allies after they grew disillusioned over his father, the Mad-Sun King Jiran, and became obsessed with revenge in killing him. But their motivations are starkly contrasting to one another. While Dervahl uses the alliance with Avad in order to gain revenge against the Carja through bombing, Korl uses it out of pure greed, whom he wants to plunder the Carja once Meridian has been captured. Contrasting to Dervahl's EvilGenius, who uses weaponry he invented like his trademark Sonic Device made of Tearblasters, as well as Machine Lures, Korl serves more as TheBrute, prioritising physical, brute strength over intelligence, being able to overpower the Vanguard member Erend in a fistfight, at one instance, with just his bare hands.
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* HEPHAESTUS is this to HADES. While both are AIs, their functionalities completely differ, as in line with their creation as parts of GAIA. With HADES, who wants to reset biosphere without GAIA and even attempted another FARO Plague, HEPHAESTUS actively arms the machines in the Cut and turned them into the much deadlier Daemonic versions of themselves, making them even more formidable than their originals. HEPHAESTUS is also distinct to HADES, as its physical presence is mostly invisible, appearing to be remote-accessing the Machine Cauldrons around the globe, rather than with HADES whose red tendrils can be clearly seen on a Horus' Quantum Processing module. HADES also has a limited level of human-machine sentience, whereas HEPHAESTUS' sentience is limited to a sequence of tasks (no longer true after HEPH's takeover of CYAN, which gave him human speech and sentience). HEPHAESTUS is also not worshipped by a major cult or a tribe, unlike HADES who was worshipped as the "Buried Shadow" by the Eclipse and the Shadow Carja.

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HEPHAESTUS is this to HADES. While both are AIs, their functionalities completely differ, as in line with their creation as parts of GAIA. With HADES, who wants to reset biosphere without GAIA and even attempted another FARO Plague, HEPHAESTUS actively arms the machines in the Cut and turned them into the much deadlier Daemonic versions of themselves, making them even more formidable than their originals. HEPHAESTUS is also distinct to HADES, as its physical presence is mostly invisible, appearing to be remote-accessing the Machine Cauldrons around the globe, rather than with HADES whose red tendrils can be clearly seen on a Horus' Quantum Processing module. HADES also has a limited level of human-machine sentience, whereas HEPHAESTUS' sentience is limited to a sequence of tasks (no longer true after HEPH's takeover of CYAN, which gave him human speech and sentience). HEPHAESTUS is also not worshipped by a major cult or a tribe, unlike HADES who was worshipped as the "Buried Shadow" by the Eclipse and the Shadow Carja.Carja.
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* Asera, the BigBad of ''Call of the Mountain'' and a minor antagonist in ''Forbidden West'', is a contrast to Dervahl. Amongst the highly patriarchal Oseram, she is the only one who is a female and TheLeader of what will later be known as the Sons of Prometheus. While Dervahl plans to destroy Meridian and kill Avad through blaze bombs, she is a known GadgeteerGenius who utilises machine overrides without the need of entering Cauldrons, even before Sylens introduces her to them, in her (failed) retaliatory attack to the Carja capital through an army of machines.

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* Asera, [[folder:Asera and Dervahl]]
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the BigBad of ''Call of the Mountain'' and a minor antagonist in ''Forbidden West'', is a contrast to Dervahl.West''. Amongst the highly patriarchal Oseram, she is the only one who is a female and TheLeader of what will later be known as the Sons of Prometheus. While Dervahl plans to destroy Meridian and kill Avad through blaze bombs, she is a known GadgeteerGenius who utilises machine overrides without the need of entering Cauldrons, even before Sylens introduces her to them, in her (failed) retaliatory attack to the Carja capital through an army of machines.machines.
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* Far Zenith. Unlike HADES, an AI with control over people whose intention is based on just following its programming, they are flesh and blood humans with control over machines and fully conscious of their actions, with long-term plans in play. They are also a contrast to the Eclipse, the main antagonistic faction of ''Zero Dawn''. Whereas the Eclipse's weaponry are both ancient and rudimentary in nature, as well as using long-buried ancient FARO machines as their muscle, the Zeniths are equipped with state-of-the-art futuristic weaponry like energy cannons and shields and they use the more advanced Specters as their go-to machines.
* Gerard Bieri contrasts this to Bahavas, one of the ''de facto'' leaders of the Shadow Carja tribe. Both are HateSink SocialDarwinists with little regard for humanity, seeing anything they oppose as weak, as well as saving their own skin. While Bahavas seems to be interested in weeding out the sick and old for the Shadow Carja's elite, even holding Itamen and Nasadi hostage, Gerard has an extreme disdain for new humanity, regardless of their status and social standing, often seeing them as "insects" and "bugs" and is actively open in exterminating them, exemplified when he and his Zeniths massacred a group of tribals mercilessly from an unknown tribe, as well as ordering Erik to kill Aloy's companion [[spoiler:Varl]]. With Bahavas, despite his despicable nature, even fanatically worshipped by a group of like-minded Shadow Carja elite and his co-High Priests, Gerard is virtually respected by ''absolutely no one'', even by his AxCrazy right-hand Erik.
* Tilda van der Meer is a more unique contrast to the ''Zero Dawn'' villains. Where most of the prequel's villains were some variation of "ignorant, politically conservative male", Tilda is the opposite of all these things. She upholds more liberal values, [[LGBTRepresentationInMedia including being a lesbian]] due to her past relationship with [[spoiler:Elisabet Sobeck]]. While Helis, one of the villains that contrasts her, is deeply loyal to Jiran, albeit on the levels of fanaticism, Tilda is portrayed as a defector [[spoiler:who hatches a plan to backstab them, betray Gerard, its current leader, and the rest of its members, so that she would intend to use Aloy for the same goal as the Zeniths: leave Earth to Nemesis. Helis serves as ''Zero Dawn's'' ClimaxBoss before HADES, but Tilda serves as the FinalBoss after Erik, ''Forbidden West's'' ClimaxBoss.]] Both Helis and Tilda have some connections to Aloy, but on a differing scale. Helis serves as Aloy's ArchNemesis and the main killer of Rost, who knows her because of her thwarting many of the Eclipse's machine-digging operations. Tilda knows Aloy due to being the genetic clone of Elisabet Sobeck, a "superior" version of her former love, where she is less being Aloy's nemesis but her refusal of her questionable offer ultimately made her the personal threat to Aloy at the end.
* Erik Visser, Gerard's right-hand, is this to Helis, the right-hand of HADES. Both are [[AxCrazy vicious]] military commanders of their respective organisation, with Helis to the Eclipse and Erik to the Zeniths. Helis is a PsychoSupporter to Jiran during the Red Raids, who willingly carried out atrocities in the name of his devotion to the Mad Sun-King, but he has some tiny semblance of standards. Erik is a pure-and-simple BloodKnight and a textbook PsychoForHire who takes pleasure in fighting and mass-murdering innocents often with sadism and glee, regardless of who he faces for his entertainment, while showing no remorse for his kills. Their weapons also vastly contrast to one another. With Helis, he uses a sword and a blast sling, while Erik uses advanced weapons including a nanomachine-infused golden blade and a golden hand cannon, as well as him being capable of dishing out various attacks.
* Regalla is a contrast to Dervahl. Both have the same hatred over Jiran's Red Raids, but their motivations and the causes of their villainy are a contrast. Dervahl's {{Revenge}} motivation solely started due to the deaths of his daughter and his wife from the Sun-Ring. Regalla's vengeance was catalysed by the deaths of her younger brothers after [[KillItWithFire they were burnt alive by Jiran]]. Dervahl, while a GadgeteerGenius who uses technologies he invented like the Sonic Device, as well as machine lures, in order to gain advantage against his opponents, is a warrior with combat experience, but he has limited understanding of ancient technology. Regalla is a battle-hardened warrior with years of ''actual'' combat and battle experience in line with her Tenakth heritage, but also having some understanding of ancient technology [[spoiler:thanks to Sylens]]. Both also wanted to kill Avad and commit genocide against the Carja, albeit for different reasons. Dervahl wants to bomb Meridian with piles of Blaze bombs stored inside a warehouse, to turn the capital ablaze and kill Avad. Regalla [[spoiler:and later Asera]] strikes a deal with [[spoiler:Sylens]], plans an invasion to the Memorial Grove to usurp Hekarro and subsequently use her army of rebels and overridden machines to invade Meridian [[spoiler:unaware that she was being used by Sylens as fodders for the attack of the Zenith base.]] While Dervahl remained unrepentant after being defeated by Aloy, complete with gloating, Regalla's defeat was portrayed in a more sympathetic light as her death scene at the end with the Tenakth honouring including Hekarro showed that they honoured her despite the atrocious acts she committed.

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* Far Zenith. [[folder:Far Zenith to HADES and the Eclipse]]
Unlike HADES, an AI with control over people whose intention is based on just following its programming, they are flesh and blood humans with control over machines and fully conscious of their actions, with long-term plans in play. They are also a contrast to the Eclipse, the main antagonistic faction of ''Zero Dawn''. Whereas the Eclipse's weaponry are both ancient and rudimentary in nature, as well as using long-buried ancient FARO machines as their muscle, the Zeniths are equipped with state-of-the-art futuristic weaponry like energy cannons and shields and they use the more advanced Specters as their go-to machines.
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Bieri contrasts this to Bahavas, one of the ''de facto'' leaders of the Shadow Carja tribe. and Bahavas]]
Both are HateSink SocialDarwinists with little regard for humanity, seeing anything they oppose as weak, as well as saving their own skin. While Bahavas seems to be interested in weeding out the sick and old for the Shadow Carja's elite, even holding Itamen and Nasadi hostage, Gerard has an extreme disdain for new humanity, regardless of their status and social standing, often seeing them as "insects" and "bugs" and is actively open in exterminating them, exemplified when he and his Zeniths massacred a group of tribals mercilessly from an unknown tribe, as well as ordering Erik to kill Aloy's companion [[spoiler:Varl]]. With Bahavas, despite his despicable nature, even fanatically worshipped by a group of like-minded Shadow Carja elite and his co-High Priests, Gerard is virtually respected by ''absolutely no one'', even by his AxCrazy right-hand Erik.
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van der Meer is a more unique contrast to the ''Zero Dawn'' villains. villains]]
Where most of the prequel's villains were some variation of "ignorant, politically conservative male", Tilda is the opposite of all these things. She upholds more liberal values, [[LGBTRepresentationInMedia including being a lesbian]] due to her past relationship with [[spoiler:Elisabet Sobeck]]. While Helis, one of the villains that contrasts her, is deeply loyal to Jiran, albeit on the levels of fanaticism, Tilda is portrayed as a defector [[spoiler:who hatches a plan to backstab them, betray Gerard, its current leader, and the rest of its members, so that she would intend to use Aloy for the same goal as the Zeniths: leave Earth to Nemesis. Helis serves as ''Zero Dawn's'' ClimaxBoss before HADES, but Tilda serves as the FinalBoss after Erik, ''Forbidden West's'' ClimaxBoss.]] Both Helis and Tilda have some connections to Aloy, but on a differing scale. Helis serves as Aloy's ArchNemesis and the main killer of Rost, who knows her because of her thwarting many of the Eclipse's machine-digging operations. Tilda knows Aloy due to being the genetic clone of Elisabet Sobeck, a "superior" version of her former love, where she is less being Aloy's nemesis but her refusal of her questionable offer ultimately made her the personal threat to Aloy at the end.
* Erik Visser, Gerard's right-hand, is this to Helis, the right-hand of HADES. [[/folder]]
[[folder:Erik Visser and Helis]]
Both are [[AxCrazy vicious]] military commanders of their respective organisation, with Helis to the Eclipse and Erik to the Zeniths. Helis is a PsychoSupporter to Jiran during the Red Raids, who willingly carried out atrocities in the name of his devotion to the Mad Sun-King, but he has some tiny semblance of standards. Erik is a pure-and-simple BloodKnight and a textbook PsychoForHire who takes pleasure in fighting and mass-murdering innocents often with sadism and glee, regardless of who he faces for his entertainment, while showing no remorse for his kills. Their weapons also vastly contrast to one another. With Helis, he uses a sword and a blast sling, while Erik uses advanced weapons including a nanomachine-infused golden blade and a golden hand cannon, as well as him being capable of dishing out various attacks.
* Regalla is a contrast to Dervahl. [[/folder]]
[[folder:Regalla and Dervahl]]
Both have the same hatred over Jiran's Red Raids, but their motivations and the causes of their villainy are a contrast. Dervahl's {{Revenge}} motivation solely started due to the deaths of his daughter and his wife from the Sun-Ring. Regalla's vengeance was catalysed by the deaths of her younger brothers after [[KillItWithFire they were burnt alive by Jiran]]. Dervahl, while a GadgeteerGenius who uses technologies he invented like the Sonic Device, as well as machine lures, in order to gain advantage against his opponents, is a warrior with combat experience, but he has limited understanding of ancient technology. Regalla is a battle-hardened warrior with years of ''actual'' combat and battle experience in line with her Tenakth heritage, but also having some understanding of ancient technology [[spoiler:thanks to Sylens]]. Both also wanted to kill Avad and commit genocide against the Carja, albeit for different reasons. Dervahl wants to bomb Meridian with piles of Blaze bombs stored inside a warehouse, to turn the capital ablaze and kill Avad. Regalla [[spoiler:and later Asera]] strikes a deal with [[spoiler:Sylens]], plans an invasion to the Memorial Grove to usurp Hekarro and subsequently use her army of rebels and overridden machines to invade Meridian [[spoiler:unaware that she was being used by Sylens as fodders for the attack of the Zenith base.]] While Dervahl remained unrepentant after being defeated by Aloy, complete with gloating, Regalla's defeat was portrayed in a more sympathetic light as her death scene at the end with the Tenakth honouring including Hekarro showed that they honoured her despite the atrocious acts she committed.committed throughout the game.
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* Walter Londra is this to the Far Zenith and Tilda. Despite being a member of Far Zenith (themselves a contrast to HADES, the Eclipse and the machines from the first game), he’s visually distinct compared to Erik, Gerard, and Tilda, looking more aged and "natural" compared to their uncanny agelessness. While his plot also involves getting offworld before NEMESIS arrives, he also takes the opportunity to exploit the Quen’s worship of the Old Ones to set himself up as a cult leader. And in contrast to the other Zeniths, he's willing to take some of the locals with him. He "auditions" his followers to select those with personalities like those of his old inner circle, including his lost love, and then plans to escape the coming apocalypse on a new planet with his new retinue, ruling as a god over an utterly compliant population comprised of clones of his other followers. While he is also a FinalBoss, he uses an ancient Horus during his boss battle, in contrast to Tilda who used an appropriarely futuristic Specter Prime exoframe in her own boss battle.
* The Quen Devotees, Londra's cult, also serve as a contrast to ''Zero Dawn's'' Eclipse. While both cultist organisations worship a specific "deity", with the Eclipse and the Shadow Carja worshipping the rogue AI HADES as the "Buried Shadow", the Devotees worship Londra, a "God" who is a human in flesh and blood. The Eclipse members are seen as AlwaysChaoticEvil, whereas the Devotees, especially the ones given the faulty MSP treatment by Londra, are seen as BrainwashedAndCrazy, and with the ones who were subjected to the improved treatment are submissive and compliant.

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* [[folder:Walter Londra to the Zeniths and Tilda]]
Walter Londra is this to the Far Zenith and Tilda. Despite being a member of Far Zenith (themselves a contrast to HADES, the Eclipse and the machines from the first game), he’s visually distinct compared to Erik, Gerard, and Tilda, looking more aged and "natural" compared to their uncanny agelessness. While his plot also involves getting offworld before NEMESIS arrives, he also takes the opportunity to exploit the Quen’s worship of the Old Ones to set himself up as a cult leader. And in contrast to the other Zeniths, he's willing to take some of the locals with him. He "auditions" his followers to select those with personalities like those of his old inner circle, including his lost love, and then plans to escape the coming apocalypse on a new planet with his new retinue, ruling as a god over an utterly compliant population comprised of clones of his other followers. While he is also a FinalBoss, he uses an ancient Horus during his boss battle, in contrast to Tilda who used an appropriarely futuristic Specter Prime exoframe in her own boss battle.
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The Quen Devotees, Londra's cult, also serve as a contrast to ''Zero Dawn's'' Eclipse. While both cultist organisations worship a specific "deity", with the Eclipse and the Shadow Carja worshipping the rogue AI HADES as the "Buried Shadow", the Devotees worship Londra, a "God" who is a human in flesh and blood. The Eclipse members are seen as AlwaysChaoticEvil, whereas the Devotees, especially the ones given the faulty MSP treatment by Londra, are seen as BrainwashedAndCrazy, and with the ones who were subjected to the improved treatment are submissive and compliant.compliant.
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* [[spoiler:Asera]], the BigBad of ''Call of the Mountain'' and a minor antagonist in ''Forbidden West'', is a contrast to Dervahl. Amongst the highly patriarchal Oseram, she is the only one who is a female and TheLeader of what will later be known as the Sons of Prometheus. While Dervahl plans to destroy Meridian and kill Avad through blaze bombs, she is a known GadgeteerGenius who utilises machine overrides without the need of entering Cauldrons, even before Sylens introduces her to them, in her (failed) retaliatory attack to the Carja capital through an army of machines.

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* [[spoiler:Asera]], Asera, the BigBad of ''Call of the Mountain'' and a minor antagonist in ''Forbidden West'', is a contrast to Dervahl. Amongst the highly patriarchal Oseram, she is the only one who is a female and TheLeader of what will later be known as the Sons of Prometheus. While Dervahl plans to destroy Meridian and kill Avad through blaze bombs, she is a known GadgeteerGenius who utilises machine overrides without the need of entering Cauldrons, even before Sylens introduces her to them, in her (failed) retaliatory attack to the Carja capital through an army of machines.



* Regalla is a contrast to Dervahl. Both have the same hatred over Jiran's Red Raids, but their motivations and the causes of their villainy are a contrast. Dervahl's {{Revenge}} motivation solely started due to the deaths of his daughter and his wife from the Sun-Ring. Regalla's vengeance was catalysed by the deaths of her younger brothers after [[KillItWithFire they were burnt alive by Jiran]]. Dervahl, while a GadgeteerGenius who uses technologies he invented like the Sonic Device, as well as machine lures, in order to gain advantage against his opponents, is a warrior with combat experience, but he has limited understanding of ancient technology. Regalla is a battle-hardened warrior with years of ''actual'' combat and battle experience in line with her Tenakth heritage, but also having some understanding of ancient technology [[spoiler:thanks to Sylens]]. Both also wanted to kill Avad and commit genocide against the Carja, albeit for different reasons. Dervahl wants to bomb Meridian with piles of Blaze bombs stored inside a warehouse, to turn the capital ablaze and kill Avad. Regalla [[spoiler:and Asera]] strikes a deal with [[spoiler:Sylens]], plans an invasion to the Memorial Grove to usurp Hekarro and subsequently use her army of rebels and overridden machines to invade Meridian [[spoiler:unaware that she was being used by Sylens as fodders for the attack of the Zenith base.]] While Dervahl remained unrepentant after being defeated by Aloy, complete with gloating, Regalla's defeat was portrayed in a more sympathetic light as her death scene at the end with the Tenakth honouring including Hekarro showed that they honoured her despite the atrocious acts she committed.

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* Regalla is a contrast to Dervahl. Both have the same hatred over Jiran's Red Raids, but their motivations and the causes of their villainy are a contrast. Dervahl's {{Revenge}} motivation solely started due to the deaths of his daughter and his wife from the Sun-Ring. Regalla's vengeance was catalysed by the deaths of her younger brothers after [[KillItWithFire they were burnt alive by Jiran]]. Dervahl, while a GadgeteerGenius who uses technologies he invented like the Sonic Device, as well as machine lures, in order to gain advantage against his opponents, is a warrior with combat experience, but he has limited understanding of ancient technology. Regalla is a battle-hardened warrior with years of ''actual'' combat and battle experience in line with her Tenakth heritage, but also having some understanding of ancient technology [[spoiler:thanks to Sylens]]. Both also wanted to kill Avad and commit genocide against the Carja, albeit for different reasons. Dervahl wants to bomb Meridian with piles of Blaze bombs stored inside a warehouse, to turn the capital ablaze and kill Avad. Regalla [[spoiler:and later Asera]] strikes a deal with [[spoiler:Sylens]], plans an invasion to the Memorial Grove to usurp Hekarro and subsequently use her army of rebels and overridden machines to invade Meridian [[spoiler:unaware that she was being used by Sylens as fodders for the attack of the Zenith base.]] While Dervahl remained unrepentant after being defeated by Aloy, complete with gloating, Regalla's defeat was portrayed in a more sympathetic light as her death scene at the end with the Tenakth honouring including Hekarro showed that they honoured her despite the atrocious acts she committed.



* Walter Londra, the DLC's BigBad. Despite being a member of Far Zenith (themselves a contrast to HADES, the Eclipse and the machines from the first game), he’s visually distinct compared to Erik, Gerard, and Tilda, looking more aged and "natural" compared to their uncanny agelessness. While his plot also involves getting offworld before NEMESIS arrives, he also takes the opportunity to exploit the Quen’s worship of the Old Ones to set himself up as a cult leader. And in contrast to the other Zeniths, he's willing to take some of the locals with him. He "auditions" his followers to select those with personalities like those of his old inner circle, including his lost love, and then plans to escape the coming apocalypse on a new planet with his new retinue, ruling as a god over an utterly compliant population comprised of clones of his other followers. While he is also a FinalBoss, he uses an ancient Horus during his boss battle, in contrast to Tilda who used an appropriarely futuristic Specter Prime exoframe in her own boss battle.

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* Walter Londra, Londra is this to the DLC's BigBad.Far Zenith and Tilda. Despite being a member of Far Zenith (themselves a contrast to HADES, the Eclipse and the machines from the first game), he’s visually distinct compared to Erik, Gerard, and Tilda, looking more aged and "natural" compared to their uncanny agelessness. While his plot also involves getting offworld before NEMESIS arrives, he also takes the opportunity to exploit the Quen’s worship of the Old Ones to set himself up as a cult leader. And in contrast to the other Zeniths, he's willing to take some of the locals with him. He "auditions" his followers to select those with personalities like those of his old inner circle, including his lost love, and then plans to escape the coming apocalypse on a new planet with his new retinue, ruling as a god over an utterly compliant population comprised of clones of his other followers. While he is also a FinalBoss, he uses an ancient Horus during his boss battle, in contrast to Tilda who used an appropriarely futuristic Specter Prime exoframe in her own boss battle.
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{{Contrasting Sequel Antagonist}}s in the ''Horizon'' franchise, including its {{DLC}}s ''The Frozen Wilds'' and ''The Burning Shores''.

!!''[[VideoGame/HorizonZeroDawn Horizon Zero Dawn: The Frozen Wilds]]''
* HEPHAESTUS is this to HADES. While both are AIs, their functionalities completely differ, as in line with their creation as parts of GAIA. With HADES, who wants to reset biosphere without GAIA and even attempted another FARO Plague, HEPHAESTUS actively arms the machines in the Cut and turned them into the much deadlier Daemonic versions of themselves, making them even more formidable than their originals. HEPHAESTUS is also distinct to HADES, as its physical presence is mostly invisible, appearing to be remote-accessing the Machine Cauldrons around the globe, rather than with HADES whose red tendrils can be clearly seen on a Horus' Quantum Processing module. HADES also has a limited level of human-machine sentience, whereas HEPHAESTUS' sentience is limited to a sequence of tasks (no longer true after HEPH's takeover of CYAN, which gave him human speech and sentience). HEPHAESTUS is also not worshipped by a major cult or a tribe, unlike HADES who was worshipped as the "Buried Shadow" by the Eclipse and the Shadow Carja.
!!''VideoGame/HorizonCallOfTheMountain''
* [[spoiler:Asera]], the BigBad of ''Call of the Mountain'' and a minor antagonist in ''Forbidden West'', is a contrast to Dervahl. Amongst the highly patriarchal Oseram, she is the only one who is a female and TheLeader of what will later be known as the Sons of Prometheus. While Dervahl plans to destroy Meridian and kill Avad through blaze bombs, she is a known GadgeteerGenius who utilises machine overrides without the need of entering Cauldrons, even before Sylens introduces her to them, in her (failed) retaliatory attack to the Carja capital through an army of machines.
!!''VideoGame/HorizonForbiddenWest''
* Far Zenith. Unlike HADES, an AI with control over people whose intention is based on just following its programming, they are flesh and blood humans with control over machines and fully conscious of their actions, with long-term plans in play. They are also a contrast to the Eclipse, the main antagonistic faction of ''Zero Dawn''. Whereas the Eclipse's weaponry are both ancient and rudimentary in nature, as well as using long-buried ancient FARO machines as their muscle, the Zeniths are equipped with state-of-the-art futuristic weaponry like energy cannons and shields and they use the more advanced Specters as their go-to machines.
* Gerard Bieri contrasts this to Bahavas, one of the ''de facto'' leaders of the Shadow Carja tribe. Both are HateSink SocialDarwinists with little regard for humanity, seeing anything they oppose as weak, as well as saving their own skin. While Bahavas seems to be interested in weeding out the sick and old for the Shadow Carja's elite, even holding Itamen and Nasadi hostage, Gerard has an extreme disdain for new humanity, regardless of their status and social standing, often seeing them as "insects" and "bugs" and is actively open in exterminating them, exemplified when he and his Zeniths massacred a group of tribals mercilessly from an unknown tribe, as well as ordering Erik to kill Aloy's companion [[spoiler:Varl]]. With Bahavas, despite his despicable nature, even fanatically worshipped by a group of like-minded Shadow Carja elite and his co-High Priests, Gerard is virtually respected by ''absolutely no one'', even by his AxCrazy right-hand Erik.
* Tilda van der Meer is a more unique contrast to the ''Zero Dawn'' villains. Where most of the prequel's villains were some variation of "ignorant, politically conservative male", Tilda is the opposite of all these things. She upholds more liberal values, [[LGBTRepresentationInMedia including being a lesbian]] due to her past relationship with [[spoiler:Elisabet Sobeck]]. While Helis, one of the villains that contrasts her, is deeply loyal to Jiran, albeit on the levels of fanaticism, Tilda is portrayed as a defector [[spoiler:who hatches a plan to backstab them, betray Gerard, its current leader, and the rest of its members, so that she would intend to use Aloy for the same goal as the Zeniths: leave Earth to Nemesis. Helis serves as ''Zero Dawn's'' ClimaxBoss before HADES, but Tilda serves as the FinalBoss after Erik, ''Forbidden West's'' ClimaxBoss.]] Both Helis and Tilda have some connections to Aloy, but on a differing scale. Helis serves as Aloy's ArchNemesis and the main killer of Rost, who knows her because of her thwarting many of the Eclipse's machine-digging operations. Tilda knows Aloy due to being the genetic clone of Elisabet Sobeck, a "superior" version of her former love, where she is less being Aloy's nemesis but her refusal of her questionable offer ultimately made her the personal threat to Aloy at the end.
* Erik Visser, Gerard's right-hand, is this to Helis, the right-hand of HADES. Both are [[AxCrazy vicious]] military commanders of their respective organisation, with Helis to the Eclipse and Erik to the Zeniths. Helis is a PsychoSupporter to Jiran during the Red Raids, who willingly carried out atrocities in the name of his devotion to the Mad Sun-King, but he has some tiny semblance of standards. Erik is a pure-and-simple BloodKnight and a textbook PsychoForHire who takes pleasure in fighting and mass-murdering innocents often with sadism and glee, regardless of who he faces for his entertainment, while showing no remorse for his kills. Their weapons also vastly contrast to one another. With Helis, he uses a sword and a blast sling, while Erik uses advanced weapons including a nanomachine-infused golden blade and a golden hand cannon, as well as him being capable of dishing out various attacks.
* Regalla is a contrast to Dervahl. Both have the same hatred over Jiran's Red Raids, but their motivations and the causes of their villainy are a contrast. Dervahl's {{Revenge}} motivation solely started due to the deaths of his daughter and his wife from the Sun-Ring. Regalla's vengeance was catalysed by the deaths of her younger brothers after [[KillItWithFire they were burnt alive by Jiran]]. Dervahl, while a GadgeteerGenius who uses technologies he invented like the Sonic Device, as well as machine lures, in order to gain advantage against his opponents, is a warrior with combat experience, but he has limited understanding of ancient technology. Regalla is a battle-hardened warrior with years of ''actual'' combat and battle experience in line with her Tenakth heritage, but also having some understanding of ancient technology [[spoiler:thanks to Sylens]]. Both also wanted to kill Avad and commit genocide against the Carja, albeit for different reasons. Dervahl wants to bomb Meridian with piles of Blaze bombs stored inside a warehouse, to turn the capital ablaze and kill Avad. Regalla [[spoiler:and Asera]] strikes a deal with [[spoiler:Sylens]], plans an invasion to the Memorial Grove to usurp Hekarro and subsequently use her army of rebels and overridden machines to invade Meridian [[spoiler:unaware that she was being used by Sylens as fodders for the attack of the Zenith base.]] While Dervahl remained unrepentant after being defeated by Aloy, complete with gloating, Regalla's defeat was portrayed in a more sympathetic light as her death scene at the end with the Tenakth honouring including Hekarro showed that they honoured her despite the atrocious acts she committed.
!!''Horizon Forbidden West: The Burning Shores''
* Walter Londra, the DLC's BigBad. Despite being a member of Far Zenith (themselves a contrast to HADES, the Eclipse and the machines from the first game), he’s visually distinct compared to Erik, Gerard, and Tilda, looking more aged and "natural" compared to their uncanny agelessness. While his plot also involves getting offworld before NEMESIS arrives, he also takes the opportunity to exploit the Quen’s worship of the Old Ones to set himself up as a cult leader. And in contrast to the other Zeniths, he's willing to take some of the locals with him. He "auditions" his followers to select those with personalities like those of his old inner circle, including his lost love, and then plans to escape the coming apocalypse on a new planet with his new retinue, ruling as a god over an utterly compliant population comprised of clones of his other followers. While he is also a FinalBoss, he uses an ancient Horus during his boss battle, in contrast to Tilda who used an appropriarely futuristic Specter Prime exoframe in her own boss battle.
* The Quen Devotees, Londra's cult, also serve as a contrast to ''Zero Dawn's'' Eclipse. While both cultist organisations worship a specific "deity", with the Eclipse and the Shadow Carja worshipping the rogue AI HADES as the "Buried Shadow", the Devotees worship Londra, a "God" who is a human in flesh and blood. The Eclipse members are seen as AlwaysChaoticEvil, whereas the Devotees, especially the ones given the faulty MSP treatment by Londra, are seen as BrainwashedAndCrazy, and with the ones who were subjected to the improved treatment are submissive and compliant.

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