History ConservationOfNinjutsu / ComicBooks

28th May '16 7:41:19 PM Doug86
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* Some supervillains have discovered, to their misfortune, that this cuts both ways. Juggernaut vs an entire team of Comicbook/{{X-Men}}? A city-wrecking battle in which the individual X-Men are injured, trains are derailed and buildings fall down. Juggernaut '''and''' Black Tom vs Cyclops? Cyclops runs rings around them while his internal monologue digresses about military history. Total property damage: One exploding pickup truck.

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* Some supervillains have discovered, to their misfortune, that this cuts both ways. Juggernaut vs an entire team of Comicbook/{{X-Men}}? Comicbook/XMen? A city-wrecking battle in which the individual X-Men are injured, trains are derailed and buildings fall down. Juggernaut '''and''' Black Tom vs Cyclops? Cyclops runs rings around them while his internal monologue digresses about military history. Total property damage: One exploding pickup truck.



* The [[BatFamilyCrossover X-books X-over]] "Second Coming" was made of this trope and BadassDecay. One Nimrod class sentinel nearly wipes out the combined X-men and Hellfire Club. [[spoiler: An army of them is nearly cannon fodder.]] Not to mention a combined force of [[spoiler: Bastion, Stephen Lang, Bolivar Trask, William Stryker, Graydon Creed and Cameron Hodge]] getting taken out.

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* The [[BatFamilyCrossover X-books X-over]] "Second Coming" was made of this trope and BadassDecay. One Nimrod class sentinel nearly wipes out the combined X-men X-Men and Hellfire Club. [[spoiler: An army of them is nearly cannon fodder.]] Not to mention a combined force of [[spoiler: Bastion, Stephen Lang, Bolivar Trask, William Stryker, Graydon Creed and Cameron Hodge]] getting taken out.
7th May '16 8:52:36 AM CalvinElliott
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* A Silver Age JSA/JLA crossover had the Thunderbolt fall under the control of Johnny Thunder's evil Earth-One counterpart. While the Thunderbolt is one of the most powerful beings in the universe, when fighting the JSA, it was easily defeated when it split itself into six beings to take on each member. {{Justified|Trope}} because its power was spread evenly between all six bodies.
1st Apr '16 2:19:07 PM ObsidianFire
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* The Wrecking Crew embody this trope since their leader the Wrecker splits the power of his magical crowbar among the Crew. The Wrecker by himself is usually a serious threat. He has given a (weakened) Thor the fight of his life and later held his own against the New Avengers. The Wrecking Crew, DependingOnTheWriter, are either serious threats or joke villains. They can go anywhere from being able to beat down [[ComicBook/TheIncredibleHercules Hercules]] to struggling with the [[ThePunisher Punisher]] to getting [[CurbStompBattle curb stomped]] by the ComicBook/{{Runaways}}. The Wrecker is [[GenreSavvy actually aware]] of this trope, but [[ContractualGenreBlindness willingly splits his power anyway]] since the Crew, [[TheStarscream occasional treachery]] from the team's EvilGenius aside, is like family to the Wrecker.

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* The Wrecking Crew embody this trope since their leader the Wrecker splits the power of his magical crowbar among the Crew. The Wrecker by himself is usually a serious threat. He has given a (weakened) Thor the fight of his life and later held his own against the New Avengers. The Wrecking Crew, DependingOnTheWriter, are either serious threats or joke villains. They can go anywhere from being able to beat down [[ComicBook/TheIncredibleHercules Hercules]] to struggling with the [[ThePunisher Punisher]] to getting [[CurbStompBattle curb stomped]] by the ComicBook/{{Runaways}}. The Wrecker is [[GenreSavvy actually aware]] aware of this trope, but [[ContractualGenreBlindness willingly splits his power anyway]] anyway since the Crew, [[TheStarscream occasional treachery]] from the team's EvilGenius aside, is like family to the Wrecker.
28th Feb '16 7:43:06 PM nombretomado
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* [[InfiniteCrisis The O.M.A.C. Project]] does this with the ComicBook/{{OMAC}} units; a single O.M.A.C. is a formidable enemy for {{Superman}}, two O.M.A.C.s were formidable enemies against Franchise/{{Batman}} and [[BadassNormal Sasha]] [[ActionGirl Bordeaux]], three were completely obliterated by Rocket Red [[TakingYouWithMe detonating himself]], and nearly a million O.M.A.C.s were taken out by an ElectroMagneticPulse.

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* [[InfiniteCrisis [[ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis The O.M.A.C. Project]] does this with the ComicBook/{{OMAC}} units; a single O.M.A.C. is a formidable enemy for {{Superman}}, two O.M.A.C.s were formidable enemies against Franchise/{{Batman}} and [[BadassNormal Sasha]] [[ActionGirl Bordeaux]], three were completely obliterated by Rocket Red [[TakingYouWithMe detonating himself]], and nearly a million O.M.A.C.s were taken out by an ElectroMagneticPulse.



* Repeatedly invoked by multiple superheroes when they face a large gang of {{Mooks}}. {{Spider-Man}}, Franchise/{{Batman}}, CaptainAmerica and ThePunisher have all been surrounded by assorted groups of street thugs, ninjas, terrorists, convicts, etc., and almost always come out on top. Another variation on this trope was used in an early Spider-Man comic where three police officers burst in to help Spider-Man against a large gang of thugs. The cops are almost as effective against the overwhelming number of hoods as Spider-Man himself.

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* Repeatedly invoked by multiple superheroes when they face a large gang of {{Mooks}}. {{Spider-Man}}, Franchise/{{Batman}}, CaptainAmerica ComicBook/CaptainAmerica and ThePunisher have all been surrounded by assorted groups of street thugs, ninjas, terrorists, convicts, etc., and almost always come out on top. Another variation on this trope was used in an early Spider-Man comic where three police officers burst in to help Spider-Man against a large gang of thugs. The cops are almost as effective against the overwhelming number of hoods as Spider-Man himself.



* Played straight during ''InfiniteCrisis'' with Superboy-Prime: he tears through the gathered teams of Doom Patrol, the Teen Titans and the Justice Society with ease, but is easily spirited away by the Flashes save for the Golden Age one. Later on, he battles an army of Green Lanterns, killing nearly 50 of them, only to be stopped and put down by the Golden Age and Modern Age Supermen. Conner Kent, who is nowhere near as strong as Superman can fight him a lot longer mano e mano than anyone can during a dogpile.

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* Played straight during ''InfiniteCrisis'' ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'' with Superboy-Prime: he tears through the gathered teams of Doom Patrol, the Teen Titans and the Justice Society with ease, but is easily spirited away by the Flashes save for the Golden Age one. Later on, he battles an army of Green Lanterns, killing nearly 50 of them, only to be stopped and put down by the Golden Age and Modern Age Supermen. Conner Kent, who is nowhere near as strong as Superman can fight him a lot longer mano e mano than anyone can during a dogpile.
21st Jan '16 9:54:10 PM AnotherGuy
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** In a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwcQY-d0I_g Flash vs. Quicksilver]] video, Flash and Quick seem to be running and fighting at the same speed. Finally, Flash gets pissed ''and circumnavigates the globe in a few seconds'' to lay the final blow.
18th Nov '15 9:40:08 AM DaveE
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*** Speaking of Wolverine, the Hand brutally averted this one once by ambushing him with enough ninja to cripple his movement and leave him defenseless, allowing the Gorgon to chop his head off. He gets better, then plays the trope straight for six issues of glorious payback that practically wiped the ninja clan out.
3rd Nov '15 8:45:37 PM nombretomado
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* SpiderMan also has this habit to a lesser extent. He has fought the ComicBook/FantasticFour and ComicBook/{{X-Men}} more than once and holds his own rather well despite the fact that individual members can and have done well against the wall-crawler in one-on-one fights.

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* SpiderMan also has this habit to a lesser extent. He has fought the ComicBook/FantasticFour and ComicBook/{{X-Men}} ComicBook/XMen more than once and holds his own rather well despite the fact that individual members can and have done well against the wall-crawler in one-on-one fights.



* The Wrecking Crew embody this trope since their leader the Wrecker splits the power of his magical crowbar among the Crew. The Wrecker by himself is usually a serious threat. He has given a (weakened) Thor the fight of his life and later held his own against the New Avengers. The Wrecking Crew, DependingOnTheWriter, are either serious threats or joke villains. They can go anywhere from being able to beat down [[IncredibleHercules Hercules]] to struggling with the [[ThePunisher Punisher]] to getting [[CurbStompBattle curb stomped]] by the ComicBook/{{Runaways}}. The Wrecker is [[GenreSavvy actually aware]] of this trope, but [[ContractualGenreBlindness willingly splits his power anyway]] since the Crew, [[TheStarscream occasional treachery]] from the team's EvilGenius aside, is like family to the Wrecker.

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* The Wrecking Crew embody this trope since their leader the Wrecker splits the power of his magical crowbar among the Crew. The Wrecker by himself is usually a serious threat. He has given a (weakened) Thor the fight of his life and later held his own against the New Avengers. The Wrecking Crew, DependingOnTheWriter, are either serious threats or joke villains. They can go anywhere from being able to beat down [[IncredibleHercules [[ComicBook/TheIncredibleHercules Hercules]] to struggling with the [[ThePunisher Punisher]] to getting [[CurbStompBattle curb stomped]] by the ComicBook/{{Runaways}}. The Wrecker is [[GenreSavvy actually aware]] of this trope, but [[ContractualGenreBlindness willingly splits his power anyway]] since the Crew, [[TheStarscream occasional treachery]] from the team's EvilGenius aside, is like family to the Wrecker.
21st Oct '15 3:54:40 AM kknizaa
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* TheHulk personifies this trope; he can spend an entire comic battling one superhero or villain, but when faced with the entire army of them then he takes them out like flies.
** This has consistency, because the Hulk's powers increase proportionately according to his anger, which will match the numbers against him.
*** Not to mention the fact when The Hulk fights one-on-one he is usaully fighting someone with similiar powers as him such as Juggernaut or The Abomination. When fighting mass groups they are usually just cannonfoddlers.
*** Conversely if Hulk is on a team, he never seems to pull out quite the same levels of power/rage.
** SpiderMan also has this habit to a lesser extent. He has fought the ComicBook/FantasticFour and ComicBook/{{X-Men}} more than once and holds his own rather well despite the fact that individual members can and have done well against the wall-crawler in one-on-one fights.
*** This has been averted in SpiderMan's battle with the Sinister Six. He tends to defeat them only if he manages to get them into one-on-one battles, he pits them against one another, he has outside help from one or more allies, or a combination thereof.
**** It's also been stated that SpiderMan tends to make a point of holding back whenever possible, starting with gentle taps and then delivering increasingly powerful strikes until the enemy finally gives up (so that he doesn't accidentally commit manslaughter by misjudging how durable a target is). When facing groups such as the Sinister Six he generally stops holding back; the villains then drop quickly because Doctor Octopus can't take a punch the way Sandman can.

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* TheHulk personifies this trope; he can spend an entire comic battling one superhero or villain, but when faced with the entire army of them then he takes them out like flies.
** This has consistency, because the Hulk's powers increase proportionately according to his anger, which will match the numbers against him.
*** Not to mention the fact when The Hulk fights one-on-one he is usaully fighting someone with similiar powers as him such as Juggernaut or The Abomination. When fighting mass groups they are usually just cannonfoddlers.
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flies. Conversely if Hulk is on a team, he never seems to pull out quite the same levels of power/rage.
** * SpiderMan also has this habit to a lesser extent. He has fought the ComicBook/FantasticFour and ComicBook/{{X-Men}} more than once and holds his own rather well despite the fact that individual members can and have done well against the wall-crawler in one-on-one fights.
*** This has been averted in SpiderMan's battle with the Sinister Six. He tends to defeat them only if he manages to get them into one-on-one battles, he pits them against one another, he has outside help from one or more allies, or a combination thereof.
**** It's also been stated that SpiderMan tends to make a point of holding back whenever possible, starting with gentle taps and then delivering increasingly powerful strikes until the enemy finally gives up (so that he doesn't accidentally commit manslaughter by misjudging how durable a target is). When facing groups such as the Sinister Six he generally stops holding back; the villains then drop quickly because Doctor Octopus can't take a punch the way Sandman can.
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** The trope was later somewhat {{Justified|Trope}} in a ''Wolverine'' comic "...[the {{mooks}}] have to be careful they don't chop one of their own by mistake. While I can hit anyone I please."

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** The trope was later somewhat {{Justified|Trope}} handwaved in a ''Wolverine'' comic "...[the {{mooks}}] have to be careful they don't chop one of their own by mistake. While I can hit anyone I please."



* Guile in a BarBrawl with all the rowdy drunks inside in the [[ComicBook/MalibuComicsStreetFighter Malibu Street Fighter comic]].



* It was completely averted in ''ComicBook/PaperinikNewAdventures'': Paperinik is skilled enough to defeat a dozens or so Evronians, but when there are too many of them he'll have to flee or need to be rescued. Xadhoom [[DefiedTrope defies]] this, since [[PhysicalGod it doesn't really matter if you attack her with one soldier or with three entire battlefleets]].
* Averted during ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga'' as the Scarlet Spider is nearly overran by dozens upon dozens of Spider-Clones and the only reason they're defeated is because the suffer CloneDegeneration.
11th Oct '15 1:54:57 PM StFan
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* [[InfiniteCrisis The O.M.A.C. Project]] does this with the {{OMAC}} units; a single OMAC is a formidable enemy for {{Superman}}, two OMACS were formidable enemies against Franchise/{{Batman}} and [[BadassNormal Sasha]] [[ActionGirl Bordeaux]], three were completely obliterated by Rocket Red [[TakingYouWithMe detonating himself]], and nearly a million OMACS were taken out by an ElectroMagneticPulse.

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* [[InfiniteCrisis The O.M.A.C. Project]] does this with the {{OMAC}} ComicBook/{{OMAC}} units; a single OMAC O.M.A.C. is a formidable enemy for {{Superman}}, two OMACS O.M.A.C.s were formidable enemies against Franchise/{{Batman}} and [[BadassNormal Sasha]] [[ActionGirl Bordeaux]], three were completely obliterated by Rocket Red [[TakingYouWithMe detonating himself]], and nearly a million OMACS O.M.A.C.s were taken out by an ElectroMagneticPulse.
2nd Oct '15 6:12:05 PM nombretomado
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* It was completely averted in PaperinikNewAdventures: Paperinik is skilled enough to defeat a dozens or so Evronians,but when there are too many of them he'll have to flee or need to be rescued.Xadhoom [[DefiedTrope defies]] this, since [[PhysicalGod it doesn't really matter if you attack her with one soldier or with three entire battlefleets]].

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* It was completely averted in PaperinikNewAdventures: ''ComicBook/PaperinikNewAdventures'': Paperinik is skilled enough to defeat a dozens or so Evronians,but Evronians, but when there are too many of them he'll have to flee or need to be rescued.rescued. Xadhoom [[DefiedTrope defies]] this, since [[PhysicalGod it doesn't really matter if you attack her with one soldier or with three entire battlefleets]].
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