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* AbusiveParents: Bob's mother, [[spoiler: Penny]].
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* AbusiveParents: [[spoiler: Bob's mother, [[spoiler: Penny]].wife Penny is this to their son Michael, offering him up to her murderous brother in law Paul]].
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* BitchInSheepsClothing: Bob's mother is as racist as they get and would rather favor her son Paul who is a monstrous gangster than Bob who married a Mexican... [[spoiler: Penny]] is even worse.
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* BitchInSheepsClothing: Bob's mother is as racist as they get and would rather favor her son Paul who is a monstrous gangster than Bob who married a Mexican... Mexican.
[[spoiler:Penny]] Penny appears to be a loving mother and wife but she actually is even worse.compict in Paul's snuff films]].
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* AnAesop: There is nothing honorable or glamorous about the Mafia; those associated with it are thugs at best, monsters at worst.
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* DefiantToTheEnd: Vinnie's last moments are spent detailing how he cuckolded the mobsters about to kill him. Even with Churchill telling the goons he's goading them into killing him quick, they fall for it. That seems to be his go to when he is about to get tortured by angry husbands.
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* DefiantToTheEnd: Vinnie's last moments are spent detailing how he cuckolded the mobsters about to kill him. Even with Churchill telling the goons he's goading them into killing him quick, they fall for it. That seems to be his go to go-to when he is about to get tortured by angry husbands.
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* EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas: Paul's last words before dying is to ask Bob to take care of their mother. [[spoiler: Unaware that Bob killed her after she disowned him and helped Paul killing Bob's old friend]].
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* EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas: Paul's last words before dying is to ask Bob to take care of their mother. [[spoiler: Unaware that Bob killed her after she disowned him and helped Paul killing kill Bob's old friend]].
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* MoralMyopia: Paul is angry at Bob for not having just killed the Russian and pretend nothing happened, as being family means siding with them even if they are monsters and it makes you one. Likewise, he sees his mom as a saint while in reality she is a racist and all around horrible person. He just can't register that his brother, who stood by him as he became a kingpin, could draw the line at pedophilia and child murder, and thinks ''Bob'' is the asshole in that situation.
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* MoralMyopia: Paul is angry at Bob for not having just killed the Russian and pretend nothing happened, as being family means siding with them even if they are monsters and it makes you one. Likewise, he sees his mom as a saint while in reality she is a racist and all around all-around horrible person. He just can't register that his brother, who stood by him as he became a kingpin, could draw the line at pedophilia and child murder, and thinks ''Bob'' is the asshole in that situation.
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* CainAndAbel: Paul and Bob. Although both thinks themselves as the Abel and feel forced to kill their brother because of their action, but Paul's point of view is complete lunacy.
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* CainAndAbel: Paul and Bob. Although both thinks think themselves as the Abel and feel forced to kill their brother because of their action, actions, but Paul's point of view is complete lunacy.
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* BitchInSheepsClothing: Bob's mother is as racist as they get and would rather favor her son Paul who is monstrous gangster than Bob who married a Mexican.. [[spoiler: Penny]] is even worse.
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* BitchInSheepsClothing: Bob's mother is as racist as they get and would rather favor her son Paul who is a monstrous gangster than Bob who married a Mexican..Mexican... [[spoiler: Penny]] is even worse.
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* AffirmativeAction: One of the cop tries to convince his partner to go with Bob's plan since that's the only way for the partner to get promoted, because he is black and the higher up wants an Asian chief of police for diversity points. It's not clear if it's true or just the man being a jerkass.
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* AffirmativeAction: One of the cop tries to convince his partner to go with Bob's plan since that's the only way for the partner to get promoted, because he is black and the higher up wants an Asian chief of police for diversity points. It's not clear if it's true or just the man being a jerkass.
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* AntiHero: Bob himself is a mobster.
* BigBad: Paul "The Wall" Saetta.
* BitchInSheepsClothing: Bob's mother. [[spoiler: Penny]]
* BigBad: Paul "The Wall" Saetta.
* BitchInSheepsClothing: Bob's mother. [[spoiler: Penny]]
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* AntiHero: Bob himself is a mobster.
mobster. Only reason he was willing to cooperate with the cops is because [[spoiler: he didn't want his family's name dragged in the mud by Paul's pederasty]] otherwise he would have just killed everyone from the get go.
* BigBad: Paul "The Wall"Saetta.
Saetta. When he hears his brother is willing to talk to the cops after [[spoiler:finding out his SnuffFilm fetish]] he kidnaps Bob's family.
* BitchInSheepsClothing: Bob'smother. mother is as racist as they get and would rather favor her son Paul who is monstrous gangster than Bob who married a Mexican.. [[spoiler: Penny]]Penny]] is even worse.
* BigBad: Paul "The Wall"
* BitchInSheepsClothing: Bob's
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* CainAndAbel: Paul and Bob.
Bob. Although both thinks themselves as the Abel and feel forced to kill their brother because of their action, but Paul's point of view is complete lunacy.
*ColdBloodedTorture:ColdBloodedTorture: Churchill loves to do this.
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* DefiantToTheEnd: Vinnie's last moments are spent detailing how he cuckolded the mobsters about to kill him. Even with Churchill telling the goons he's goading them into killing him quick, they fall for it.
* TheDragon: [[TortureTechnician Churchill]] Paul's "pet psychopath".
* EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas: Paul's last words before dying is to ask Bob to take care of their mother.
* TheDragon: [[TortureTechnician Churchill]] Paul's "pet psychopath".
* EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas: Paul's last words before dying is to ask Bob to take care of their mother.
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* DefiantToTheEnd: Vinnie's last moments are spent detailing how he cuckolded the mobsters about to kill him. Even with Churchill telling the goons he's goading them into killing him quick, they fall for it.
it. That seems to be his go to when he is about to get tortured by angry husbands.
* TheDragon: [[TortureTechnicianChurchill]] Churchill]], Paul's "pet psychopath".
* EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas: Paul's last words before dying is to ask Bob to take care of their mother. [[spoiler: Unaware that Bob killed her after she disowned him and helped Paul killing Bob's old friend]].
* TheDragon: [[TortureTechnician
* EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas: Paul's last words before dying is to ask Bob to take care of their mother. [[spoiler: Unaware that Bob killed her after she disowned him and helped Paul killing Bob's old friend]].
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* MoralMyopia: Paul is angry at Bob for not having just killed the Russian and pretend nothing happened, as being family means siding with them even if they are monsters and it makes you one. Likewise, he sees his mom as a saint while in reality she is a racist and all around horrible person. He just can't register that his brother, who stood by him as he became a kingpin, could cross the line at pedophilia and child murder, and thinks ''Bob'' is the asshole in that situation.
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* MoralMyopia: Paul is angry at Bob for not having just killed the Russian and pretend nothing happened, as being family means siding with them even if they are monsters and it makes you one. Likewise, he sees his mom as a saint while in reality she is a racist and all around horrible person. He just can't register that his brother, who stood by him as he became a kingpin, could cross draw the line at pedophilia and child murder, and thinks ''Bob'' is the asshole in that situation.
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* MoralMyopia: Paul is angry at Bob for not having just killed the Russian and pretend nothing happened, as being family means siding with them even if they are monsters and it makes you one, likewise he sees his mom as a saint while in reality she is a racist and all around horrible person. He just can't register that his brother who stood by him as he became a kingpin could cross the line at pedophilia and think Bob is the asshole in that situation.
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* MoralMyopia: Paul is angry at Bob for not having just killed the Russian and pretend nothing happened, as being family means siding with them even if they are monsters and it makes you one, likewise one. Likewise, he sees his mom as a saint while in reality she is a racist and all around horrible person. He just can't register that his brother brother, who stood by him as he became a kingpin kingpin, could cross the line at pedophilia and think Bob child murder, and thinks ''Bob'' is the asshole in that situation.
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* RacistGrandma: Bob's mom, the main strain in their relationship is that Bob married a Mexican.
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* RacistGrandma: Bob's mom, the mom. The main strain in their relationship is that Bob married Penny, a Mexican.Mexican, whom she disapproves of.
* RightForTheWrongReasons: Bob's mom, regarding her disapproval of her son's marriage to Penny. She turned out to be right, but not for the reason she thought, i.e., her anti-Mexican racism.
* RightForTheWrongReasons: Bob's mom, regarding her disapproval of her son's marriage to Penny. She turned out to be right, but not for the reason she thought, i.e., her anti-Mexican racism.
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* MoralMyopia: Paul is angry at Bob for not having just killed the Russian and pretend nothing happened, as being family means siding with them even if they are monsters and it makes you one, likewise he sees his mom as a saint while in reality she is a racist and all around horrible person. He just can't register that his brother who stood by him as he became a kingpin could cross the line at pedophilia and think Bob is the asshole in that situation.
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* EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas: Paul's last words before dying is to ask Bob to take care of their mother.
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** Paul's only standard is that he cares about family, he won't touch his nephew despite [[spoiler: Penny's offer]] and feels like he is the one being betrayed as his brother couldn't look past his pederasty.
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* TheSociopath: Churchill and [[spoiler: Penny, who mocks Bob for his morals as well as trying to have ''her own son raped and killed by Bob's paedophile brother'' ForTheEvulz, [[MoralEventHorizon no less.]]]]
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* TheSociopath: Paul, Churchill and [[spoiler: Penny, who mocks Bob for his morals as well as trying to have ''her own son raped and killed by Bob's paedophile brother'' ForTheEvulz, [[MoralEventHorizon no less.]]]]
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* AllForNothing: The cops let Bob loose in Brooklyn in exchange of all the information on Paul's network. [[spoiler: Which is rendered useless after Bob killed his brother and most of the mobsters he has dirt on.]]
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* EvenEvilHasStandards: When his brother Bob discovers a videotape of Paul raping and murdering a little boy, it makes him disgusted enough to turn on Paul.
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* EvenEvilHasStandards: EvenEvilHasStandards:
** When his brother Bob discovers a videotape of Paul raping and murdering a little boy, it makes him disgusted enough to turn onPaul.Paul.
** Paul's only standard is that he cares about family, he won't touch his nephew despite [[spoiler: Penny's offer]] and feels like he is the one being betrayed as his brother couldn't look past his pederasty.
** When his brother Bob discovers a videotape of Paul raping and murdering a little boy, it makes him disgusted enough to turn on
** Paul's only standard is that he cares about family, he won't touch his nephew despite [[spoiler: Penny's offer]] and feels like he is the one being betrayed as his brother couldn't look past his pederasty.
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* RacistGrandma: Bob's mom, the main strain in their relationship is that Bob married a Mexican.
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* AngryGuardDog: Bob unleashes a few on the mobsters, instantly removing [[spoiler:Churchill]] as a threat along with his hand.
* DefiantToTheEnd: Vinnie's last moments are spent detailing how he cuckolded the mobsters about to kill him. Even with Churchill telling the goons he's goading them into killing him quick, they fall for it.
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* IHaveYourWife: Paul kidnaps Bob's family with the implication he will murder Bob's young son Michael if Bob crosses him.
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* GagPenis: Vinnie is also known as "Thermos", and uses it to sleep with just about every single mobster's wife and girlfriend.
* IHaveYourWife: Paul kidnaps Bob's family with the implication he will murder Bob's young son Michael if Bob crosses him. [[spoiler:It turns out he only kidnapped half the family.]]
* IHaveYourWife: Paul kidnaps Bob's family with the implication he will murder Bob's young son Michael if Bob crosses him. [[spoiler:It turns out he only kidnapped half the family.]]
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* SadisticChoice: [[spoiler:Churchill]]can keep squeezing the stump of his hand to prevent himself from bleeding out, but the only thing preventing the dogs from eating the rest of him is the fact that he's holding onto the scaffolding with his good arm.
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*EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas: Paul's last words before dying is to ask Bob to take care of their mother.
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* BlackAndGrayMorality: Bob's a mobster, the cops use racial slurs, but the villains are REALLY bad.
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* BitchInSheepsClothing: Bob's mother. [[spoiler: Penny]]
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* TheSociopath: Churchill and [[spoiler: Penny, who mocks Bob for his morals as well as trying to have ''her own son raped and killed by Bob's paedophile brother ForTheEvulz, [[MoralEventHorizon no less.'']]
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* TheSociopath: Churchill and [[spoiler: Penny, who mocks Bob for his morals as well as trying to have ''her own son raped and killed by Bob's paedophile brother brother'' ForTheEvulz, [[MoralEventHorizon no less.'']]]]]]
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* TheSociopath: Churchill and [[spoiler: Penny, who mocks Bob for his morals as well as trying to have ''her own son raped and killed by Bob's paedophile brother ForTheEvulz, [[MoralEventHorizon no less.'']]
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** When he tracks Bob to an old store Bob used to frequent, he tortures the elderly owner with a straight razor. After carving him to bits, Churchill has the place set on fire, informing the old man he can carry his bedridden wife out to save her after Churchill has left him in no shape to even walk.
** Churchill later captures Bob's best friend Vinnie and tortures him, only cutting it short with a bullet to the head when he realizes Vinnie will never betray Bob.
* CopKiller: Paul kills multiple police officers.
* TheDragon: [[TortureTechnicianChurchill]].Churchill]] Paul's "pet psychopath".
* EvenEvilHasStandards: When his brother Bob discovers a videotape of Paul raping and murdering a little boy, it makes him disgusted enough to turn on Paul.
** When he tracks Bob to an old store Bob used to frequent, he tortures the elderly owner with a straight razor. After carving him to bits, Churchill has the place set on fire, informing the old man he can carry his bedridden wife out to save her after Churchill has left him in no shape to even walk.
** Churchill later captures Bob's best friend Vinnie and tortures him, only cutting it short with a bullet to the head when he realizes Vinnie will never betray Bob.
* CopKiller: Paul kills multiple police officers.
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* EvenEvilHasStandards: When his brother Bob discovers a videotape of Paul raping and murdering a little boy, it makes him disgusted enough to turn on Paul.
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* SnuffFilm: Paul makes these with young boys which are recorded by [[spoiler: Penny]].
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* AbusiveParents: Bob's mother, [[spoiler: Penny]].
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** [[spoiler: Penny]] was the one who taped Paul's crimes and was willing to let him have his way on [[spoiler: her own son]].
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* PapaWolf: [[spoiler: After TheReveal of Penny's betrayal, he rushes off to save his son.]]
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* PapaWolf: [[spoiler: After Bob's motive. Played straighter after TheReveal of Penny's betrayal, he rushes off betrayal.]]
*RoaringRampageOfRescue: Bob goes on one to save hisson.]]family.
*RoaringRampageOfRescue: Bob goes on one to save his
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** BlackAndGrayMorality: Bob's a mobster, the cops use racial slurs, but the villains are REALLY bad.
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* AntiHero: Bob himself is a mobster, but...
**mobster.
* BlackAndGrayMorality: Bob's a mobster, the cops use racial slurs, but the villains are REALLY bad.
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* BlackAndGrayMorality: Bob's a mobster, the cops use racial slurs, but the villains are REALLY bad.
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* WhamLine: "Who did you think was holding the camera?" [[spoiler: Penny was]]
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* WhamLine: "Who did you think was holding the camera?" [[spoiler: Penny was]] was]].
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* WouldHurtAChild: Paul rapes and kills kids; [[spoiler: Penny]] was willing to on [[spoiler: her own son]].
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* WhamLine: "Who did you think was holding the camera?"
camera?" [[spoiler: Penny was]]
*WouldHurtAChild: WouldHurtAChild:
** Paul rapes and killskids; kids and has it videotaped.
** Churchill is the one who set a deal with Russian mobsters to always provide Paul with immigrant boys.
** [[spoiler: Penny]] was the one who taped Paul's crimes and was willing to on [[spoiler: her own son]].
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** Paul rapes and kills
** Churchill is the one who set a deal with Russian mobsters to always provide Paul with immigrant boys.
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''Back to Brooklyn,'' by Creator/GarthEnnis and Jimmy Palmiotti, with art by Mihailo Vukelic, is the story of mobster Bob Saetta, and his journey to rescue his wife Penny and son Michael from his brother, mob boss Paul "The Wall" Saetta.
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*AntiHero: Bob himself is a mobster, but...
**BlackAndGrayMorality: Bob's a mobster, the cops use racial slurs, but the villains are REALLY bad.
*BigBad: Paul "The Wall" Saetta.
*BoomHeadshot: Several times, most notably on [[spoiler: [[ShotgunsAreJustBetter Penny]]]].
*CainAndAbel: Paul and Bob.
*TheDragon: [[TortureTechnician Churchill]].
*EyeScream: The final fight scene.
*ManOnFire: [[spoiler: How Paul dies]].
*WhamLine: "Who did you think was holding the camera?"
*WouldHurtAChild: Paul rapes and kills kids; [[spoiler: Penny]] was willing to on [[spoiler: her own son]].
''Back to Brooklyn,'' by Creator/GarthEnnis and Jimmy Palmiotti, with art by Mihailo Vukelic, is the story of mobster Bob Saetta, and his journey to rescue his wife Penny and son Michael from his brother, mob boss Paul "The Wall" Saetta.
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*AntiHero: Bob himself is a mobster, but...
**BlackAndGrayMorality: Bob's a mobster, the cops use racial slurs, but the villains are REALLY bad.
*BigBad: Paul "The Wall" Saetta.
*BoomHeadshot: Several times, most notably on [[spoiler: [[ShotgunsAreJustBetter Penny]]]].
*CainAndAbel: Paul and Bob.
*TheDragon: [[TortureTechnician Churchill]].
*EyeScream: The final fight scene.
*ManOnFire: [[spoiler: How Paul dies]].
*WhamLine: "Who did you think was holding the camera?"
*WouldHurtAChild: Paul rapes and kills kids; [[spoiler: Penny]] was willing to on [[spoiler: her own son]].