History CombatPragmatist / AnimeAndManga

7th May '18 10:16:14 PM Maxwell99
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** Guts is no honorable swordsman. He's willing to let opponents beat him up so that he can blast them with his ArmCannon at point-blank range, ''bites an opponent's sword'' in one fight after Griffith [[BladeRun jumps on his sword]], and actually prefers to kill opponents with long-ranged weapons rather than engaging in melee combat. And this doesn't even mention things like his willingness to take innocents hostage if he thinks that it'll give him an advantage, which fits the concept of "fighting dirty" much better than anything mentioned there. At one point, he uses a small child, hanging by his clothes on his sword, as bait to distract a swarm of vicious, homicidal "fairies" into chasing him into a barn where he blows them up. The kid doesn't get hurt, either.

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** Guts is no honorable swordsman. He's willing to let opponents beat him up so that he can blast them with his ArmCannon at point-blank range, ''bites an opponent's sword'' in one fight after Griffith [[BladeRun jumps on his sword]], and actually prefers to kill opponents with long-ranged will used his (ranged weapons rather than engaging like his automatic crossbow) before using his sword in melee combat.most encounters in the Black Swordsman arc. And this doesn't even mention things like his willingness to take innocents hostage if he thinks that it'll give him an advantage, which fits the concept of "fighting dirty" much better than anything mentioned there. At one point, he uses a small child, hanging by his clothes on his sword, as bait to distract a swarm of vicious, homicidal "fairies" into chasing him into a barn where he blows them up. The kid doesn't get hurt, either.



** King Piccolo is also this. He immediately kills Chiaotzu when he tries to sabotage King Piccolo's quest for immortality by making his wish to Shenron before Piccolo does. He also checks Goku's ''pulse'' before confirming he is dead in their first battle. He's a MagnificentBastard for a reason and the only villain to ever outright [[TheBadGuyWins win.]]

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** King Piccolo is also this. He immediately kills Chiaotzu when he tries to sabotage King Piccolo's quest for immortality by making his wish to Shenron before Piccolo does. He also checks Goku's ''pulse'' before confirming he is dead in their first battle.battle, and when Goku is overpowering him in his next fight he uses Tien has HumanShield and takes advantage of Goku's hesitation to break his legs. He's a MagnificentBastard for a reason and the only villain to ever outright [[TheBadGuyWins win.]]



** Sanji, is mostly honourable (the only time he kicked a man in the crotch was {{Filler}} and he has strict rules on [[WouldntHitAgirl not hurting women]] or [[ExtremityExtremist using his hand]] in a figh. But otherwise he is extremely [[TheStrategist tactical]] and while exploit any weakness his opponent have like in Arlong park when [[{{FishPeople}} Kuroobi]] was wrecking him underwater, Sanji breathed air though Kuroobi’s gills and forced him onto land where he could [[CurbStompBattle turn the tables]]. A even better example is when Sanji boarded the sea train full of Government Agents, Sanji ''could'' fight a carriage full agents alongside captain T-Bone '''or''' he could climb over the roof; unhook the carriage and let the stormy ocean do the rest.

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** Sanji, is mostly honourable (the only time he kicked a man in the crotch was {{Filler}} and he has strict rules on [[WouldntHitAgirl not hurting women]] or [[ExtremityExtremist using his hand]] hands]] in a figh. fight). But otherwise he is extremely [[TheStrategist tactical]] and while will exploit any weakness his opponent have like e.g in Arlong park when [[{{FishPeople}} Kuroobi]] was wrecking him underwater, Sanji breathed air though Kuroobi’s gills and forced him onto land where he could [[CurbStompBattle turn the tables]]. A even better example is when Sanji boarded the sea train full of Government Agents, Sanji ''could'' fight a carriage full all the agents alongside captain as well as Captain T-Bone '''or''' he could climb over the roof; unhook the carriage and let the stormy ocean do the rest.


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** Charlotte Katakuri is extremely tactical, killing any potential threats [[CombatClairvoyance before they happen]] and even refused [[TransformationIsAFreeAction to let]] Luffy go Gear 4 when he first tried and stated he wouldn't let Luffy get any advantage. [[spoiler: But ultimately Katakuri subverts when outside forces interfere with the fight and weaken Luffy, Katakuri [[SelfHarm injures himself]] as to put him in same state as Luffy and declares they will fight [[LetsFightLikeGentlemen fairly]] from there on]].
19th Apr '18 7:22:51 AM Maxwell99
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*** He defeated another opponent by discovering her fear of cockroaches and attacking her purely at the psychological level. He renders her unconscious, foaming at the mouth, using supplies he scrounged up and never having to deal any physical damage.

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*** He defeated another opponent by discovering her fear of cockroaches cockroaches and attacking her purely at the psychological level. He renders her unconscious, foaming at the mouth, using supplies he scrounged up and never having to deal any physical damage.



** Sanji, is mostly honourable (the only time he kicked a man in the crotch was {{Filler}}$ and he has strict rules on [[WouldntHitAgirl not hurting women]] or [[ExtremityExtremist using his hand]] in a figh. But otherwise he is extremely [[TheStrategist tactical]] and will exploit any weakness his opponent have like in Arlong park when [[{{FishPeople}} Kuroobi]] was wrecking him underwater, Sanji breathed air though Kuroobi’s gills forcing him onto land where Sanji could [[CurbStompBattle turn the tables]]. A even better example is when Sanji boarded the sea train full of Government Agents, Sanji ''could'' fight a carriage full agents alongside captain T-Bone '''or''' he could climb over the roof; unhook the carriage and let the stormy ocean do the rest.

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** Sanji, is mostly honourable (the only time he kicked a man in the crotch was {{Filler}}$ {{Filler}} and he has strict rules on [[WouldntHitAgirl not hurting women]] or [[ExtremityExtremist using his hand]] in a figh. But otherwise he is extremely [[TheStrategist tactical]] and will while exploit any weakness his opponent have like in Arlong park when [[{{FishPeople}} Kuroobi]] was wrecking him underwater, Sanji breathed air though Kuroobi’s gills forcing and forced him onto land where Sanji he could [[CurbStompBattle turn the tables]]. A even better better example is when Sanji boarded the sea train full of Government Agents, Sanji ''could'' fight a carriage full agents alongside captain captain T-Bone '''or''' he could climb over the roof; unhook the carriage and let the stormy ocean do the rest.
19th Apr '18 7:11:37 AM Maxwell99
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*** He defeated another opponent by discovering her fear of cockroaches and attacking her purely at the psychological level. He renders her unconscious, foaming at the mouth, using supplies he scrounged up and never having to deal any physical damage.

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*** He defeated another opponent by discovering her fear of cockroaches cockroaches and attacking her purely at the psychological level. He renders her unconscious, foaming at the mouth, using supplies he scrounged up and never having to deal any physical damage.



** Sanji, is mostly honourable (the only time he kicked a man in the crotch was {{Filler}} and he has strict rules on [[WouldntHitAgirl not hurting women]] or [[ExtremityExtremist using his hand]] in a fight. But otherwise he is extremely [[TheStrategist tactical]] and while exploit any weakness his opponent have like in Arlong park when [[{{FishPeople}} Kuroobi]] was wrecking him underwater, Sanji breathed air though Kuroobi’s gills and forced him onto land where he could [[CurbStompBattle turn the tables]]. A even better example is when Sanji boarded the sea train full of Government Agents, Sanji ''could'' fight a carriage full agents alongside captain T-Bone '''or''' he could climb over the roof; unhook the carriage from the train and let the ocean do the rest.

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** Sanji, is mostly honourable (the only time he kicked a man in the crotch was {{Filler}} {{Filler}}$ and he has strict rules on [[WouldntHitAgirl not hurting women]] or [[ExtremityExtremist using his hand]] in a fight. figh. But otherwise he is extremely [[TheStrategist tactical]] and while will exploit any weakness his opponent have like in Arlong park when [[{{FishPeople}} Kuroobi]] was wrecking him underwater, Sanji breathed air though Kuroobi’s gills and forced forcing him onto land where he Sanji could [[CurbStompBattle turn the tables]]. A even better better example is when Sanji boarded the sea train full of Government Agents, Sanji ''could'' fight a carriage full agents alongside captain captain T-Bone '''or''' he could climb over the roof; unhook the carriage from the train and let the stormy ocean do the rest.
19th Apr '18 7:05:16 AM Maxwell99
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*** He defeated another opponent by discovering her fear of spiders and attacking her purely at the psychological level. He renders her unconscious, foaming at the mouth, using supplies he scrounged up and never having to deal any physical damage.

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*** He defeated another opponent by discovering her fear of spiders cockroaches and attacking her purely at the psychological level. He renders her unconscious, foaming at the mouth, using supplies he scrounged up and never having to deal any physical damage.



** Two other villainous examples are Diamante and Pica of the Donquixote Pirates; the former even borders on DirtyCoward levels. When fighting Rebecca in the Corrida Colosseum, Diamante steps on her foot to block her and prevent her from moving, before attacking her. Later, when fighting [[spoiler:Kyros]], not only does he focus almost exclusively on the now-defenseless Rebecca, but he also [[spoiler:shoots Kyros's only leg, to prevent him from dodging his DeadlyRain of SpikesOfDoom]]. In the later stages of his fight with Zoro, Pica delberately avoids him to go and try to finish off the other fighters, who were already heavily weakened; much to Zoro's anger.

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** Two other villainous examples are Diamante and Pica of the Donquixote Pirates; the former even borders both border on DirtyCoward levels. When fighting Rebecca in the Corrida Colosseum, Diamante steps on her foot to block her and prevent her from moving, before attacking her. Later, when fighting [[spoiler:Kyros]], not only does he focus almost exclusively on the now-defenseless Rebecca, but he also [[spoiler:shoots Kyros's only leg, to prevent him from dodging his DeadlyRain of SpikesOfDoom]]. In the later stages of his fight with Zoro, Pica delberately avoids him to go and try to finish off the other fighters, who were already heavily weakened; much to Zoro's anger.


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** Sanji, is mostly honourable (the only time he kicked a man in the crotch was {{Filler}} and he has strict rules on [[WouldntHitAgirl not hurting women]] or [[ExtremityExtremist using his hand]] in a fight. But otherwise he is extremely [[TheStrategist tactical]] and while exploit any weakness his opponent have like in Arlong park when [[{{FishPeople}} Kuroobi]] was wrecking him underwater, Sanji breathed air though Kuroobi’s gills and forced him onto land where he could [[CurbStompBattle turn the tables]]. A even better example is when Sanji boarded the sea train full of Government Agents, Sanji ''could'' fight a carriage full agents alongside captain T-Bone '''or''' he could climb over the roof; unhook the carriage from the train and let the ocean do the rest.
12th Apr '18 1:20:30 PM ultimomant
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* ''Manga/AkagamiNoShirayukihime'''s Obi is a master at hand to hand combat who uses throwing kunai and a pair of daggers for whom this way of fighting was ingrained at an early age as the only way to survive. It comes in handy when he is fighting an assassin who fights similarly to himself as he uses a necklace to draw his opponent out of hiding by making it appear one of his knives was catching the light and then attacking him from behind.



** Kamijou Touma shows shades of this; he's perfectly willing to [[WouldHitAGirl punch women full on in the face]], use psychological warfare and [[ShovelStrike throw a shovel full of dust]] [[EyeScream into the eyes of another]]. This is entirely justified as most of his opponents have won the SuperpowerLottery like you wouldn't believe, while all he has is an AntiMagic fist.
*** [[BadassNormal Hamazura Shiage]] is even better than him, since unlike [[ThouShallNotKill Touma]], he is ''willing'' to get his hands dirty, so he often employs guns, tactics, gadgets, etc. to defeat his opponents.

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** Touma Kamijou Touma shows shades of this; he's perfectly willing to [[WouldHitAGirl punch women full on in the face]], use psychological warfare and [[ShovelStrike throw a shovel full of dust]] [[EyeScream dust (then attack with the shovel]], [[AHandfulForAnEye a tube of grease, or boiling tea into the eyes of another]]. This is entirely justified as most of his opponents have won the SuperpowerLottery like you wouldn't believe, while all he has is an AntiMagic fist.
*** ** [[BadassNormal Hamazura Shiage]] Shiage Hamazura]] is even better than him, since unlike [[ThouShallNotKill Touma]], he is ''willing'' to get his hands dirty, so he often employs guns, tactics, gadgets, etc. to defeat his opponents.



* Kiritsugu Emiya of ''[[LightNovel/FateZero Fate/zero]]'' is basically revealed to be the god of combat pragmatists, if said god was injected with extra pragmatism steroids. He wants to save people, but came to understand that [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids saving some means sacrificing others]] and decided that at least he could [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans save the many by sacrificing the few]], and became an expert in killing mages with extremely low-blow tactics. This leads to personality conflicts with the [[KnightInShiningArmor "knight of the sword"]], Saber, who he summoned as a servant in the Fourth Holy Grail War and who greatly believes in fighting in an upright fashion.

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* Kiritsugu Emiya of ''[[LightNovel/FateZero Fate/zero]]'' ''LightNovel/FateZero'' is basically revealed to be the god of combat pragmatists, if said god was injected with extra pragmatism steroids. He wants to save people, but came to understand that [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids saving some means sacrificing others]] and decided that at least he could [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans save the many by sacrificing the few]], and became an expert in killing mages with extremely low-blow tactics. This leads to personality conflicts with the [[KnightInShiningArmor "knight of the sword"]], Saber, who he summoned as a servant in the Fourth Holy Grail War and who greatly believes in fighting in an upright fashion.


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* ''Manga/SnowWhiteWithTheRedHair'': Obi is a master at hand to hand combat who uses throwing kunai and a pair of daggers for whom this way of fighting was ingrained at an early age as the only way to survive. It comes in handy when he is fighting an assassin who fights similarly to himself as he uses a necklace to draw his opponent out of hiding by making it appear one of his knives was catching the light and then attacking him from behind.
6th Apr '18 8:42:39 PM Kamiguy123
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*** [[BadassNormal Hamazura Shiage]] is even more of this than him, since unlike [[ThouShallNotKill Touma]], he is ''not'' afraid to dirty his hands, so he often employs guns, tactics, gadgets, etc. to overwhelm his opponents.

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*** [[BadassNormal Hamazura Shiage]] is even more of this better than him, since unlike [[ThouShallNotKill Touma]], he is ''not'' afraid ''willing'' to dirty get his hands, hands dirty, so he often employs guns, tactics, gadgets, etc. to overwhelm defeat his opponents.
6th Apr '18 5:37:10 AM Kamiguy123
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* Kamijou Touma of ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'' shows shades of this; he's perfectly willing to [[WouldHitAGirl punch women full on in the face]], use psychological warfare and [[ShovelStrike throw a shovel full of dust]] [[EyeScream into the eyes of another]]. This is entirely justified as most of his opponents have won the SuperpowerLottery like you wouldn't believe, while all he has is an AntiMagic fist.

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* Kamijou ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'':
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Touma of ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'' shows shades of this; he's perfectly willing to [[WouldHitAGirl punch women full on in the face]], use psychological warfare and [[ShovelStrike throw a shovel full of dust]] [[EyeScream into the eyes of another]]. This is entirely justified as most of his opponents have won the SuperpowerLottery like you wouldn't believe, while all he has is an AntiMagic fist.fist.
*** [[BadassNormal Hamazura Shiage]] is even more of this than him, since unlike [[ThouShallNotKill Touma]], he is ''not'' afraid to dirty his hands, so he often employs guns, tactics, gadgets, etc. to overwhelm his opponents.
6th Apr '18 5:30:29 AM Kamiguy123
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* Touma of ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'' shows shades of this; he's perfectly willing to [[WouldHitAGirl punch women full on in the face]], use psychological warfare and throw a shovel full of dust into the eyes of another. This is entirely justified as most of his opponents have won the SuperpowerLottery like you wouldn't believe, while all he has is an AntiMagic fist.

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* Kamijou Touma of ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'' shows shades of this; he's perfectly willing to [[WouldHitAGirl punch women full on in the face]], use psychological warfare and [[ShovelStrike throw a shovel full of dust dust]] [[EyeScream into the eyes of another.another]]. This is entirely justified as most of his opponents have won the SuperpowerLottery like you wouldn't believe, while all he has is an AntiMagic fist.
5th Feb '18 1:58:51 AM totoofze47
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** Luffy himself bites, hits people in the crotch, takes human shields, and has hit more women than Ike Turner. Though he does have some rule such as not [[ThisIsSomethingHesGotToDoHimself ganging up]] on his opponents, and hitting them [[InTheBack in the back]].
*** And when trying to rescue Robin during the Enies Lobby arc, he ends up having to fight Rob Lucci. Throughout the whole ordeal, he's constantly trying to abandon the fight and go after Robin, since she's more important than a fight with the "pigeon guy". He only begins to take the fight seriously once he helps Franky get past, to make sure he defeats Lucci so that he doesn't go after the rest of his crew.

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** Luffy himself bites, hits people in the crotch, takes human shields, and has hit more women than Ike Turner. Though he does have some rule such as not [[ThisIsSomethingHesGotToDoHimself ganging up]] on his opponents, and hitting them [[InTheBack in the back]].
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back]]. And when trying to rescue Robin during the Enies Lobby arc, he ends up having to fight Rob Lucci. Throughout the whole ordeal, he's constantly trying to abandon the fight and go after Robin, since she's more important than a fight with the "pigeon guy". He only begins to take the fight seriously once he helps Franky get past, to make sure he defeats Lucci so that he doesn't go after the rest of his crew.


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** Vinsmoke Judge is also adamant on using every means at his disposal to make his fight with Sanji end decisively, rules be damned. Whether it's using his soldiers as meat shields to make Sanji hesitate, kicking Sanji while he's down, or using advanced weaponry against an unarmed opponent (Although granted, Sanji refused to use the sword Judge offered him before the fight).
2nd Feb '18 4:15:53 PM ultimomant
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** Mr. Satan. During tournaments he fights fair... As in, he limits the strength of the ''kicks in the nape'' (how he beat Spopovich at the 24th Tenkaichi). Outside tournaments he ''starts'' with potentially letal moves, following up with strikes to all weak spots in a body. Just too bad he demonstrated it on Cell, who was just so more powerful than him he didn't even notice...

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** Mr. Satan. During tournaments he fights fair... As in, he limits the strength of the ''kicks in the nape'' (how he beat Spopovich at the 24th Tenkaichi). Outside tournaments he ''starts'' with potentially letal lethal moves, following up with strikes to all weak spots in a body. Just too bad he demonstrated it on Cell, who was just so more powerful than him he didn't even notice...
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