History Characters / TheWheelOfTimeTheShadowAndDarkfriends

22nd Apr '16 10:51:13 AM Ilya_Rysenkov
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* BeautyIsBad

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* BeautyIsBadBeautyIsBad: She's one of the most beautiful Forsaken and easily one of the worst.
14th Mar '16 9:26:54 PM MasterGhandalf
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* DemonLordsAndArchdevils: Play this role to the Shadowspawn, despite being human.

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* DemonLordsAndArchdevils: Play this role to the Shadowspawn, Shadowspawn and in their world's mythology, despite being human.human themselves.



* OffstageVillainy: The heinous deeds that inspired their status as TheDreaded took place over three thousand years before the series begins.
* TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou: Multiple Forsaken have this attitude toward Rand. Of course, the Dark One will reward whoever manages to take him out (as long as they do it according to the rules; he frequently doesn't want Rand killed), but ItsPersonal for several. Demandred, Sammael, and Be'lal all want revenge and can't agree to work together for it. Lanfear just wants her ex back (and is happy to use MindControl to get him); obviously this isn't compatible with the goals of the previous three, or with Graendal's mind control. (Graendal would be happy to use it on him, though she's not as into it as the others.) Ishamael wants Rand to serve the Dark One at any cost, though he'll kill him if need be. Finally, all of them are opposed to Padan Fain getting to do the deed, because, [[TheScrappy screw Padan Fain]].

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* OffstageVillainy: The heinous deeds that inspired their status as TheDreaded took place over three thousand years before the series begins.
begins. This is particularly obvious with Asmodean, Demandred, and Mesaana, who come across as three of the least evil Forsaken largely because their worst atrocities[[note]]maiming his competition and having his mother killed by Trollocs for Asmodean, wiping out entire cities who disrespected him for Demandred, and brainwashing children to be {{Tykebomb}}s for the Shadow for Mesaana[[/note]] occurred in the backstory and are never directly relevant to their present-day role.
* TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou: Multiple Forsaken have this attitude toward Rand. Of course, the Dark One will reward whoever manages to take him out (as long as they do it according to the rules; he frequently doesn't want Rand killed), but ItsPersonal for several. Demandred, Sammael, and Be'lal all want revenge and can't agree to work together for it. Lanfear just wants her ex back (and is happy to use MindControl to get him); obviously this isn't compatible with the goals of the previous three, or with Graendal's mind control. (Graendal would be happy to use it on him, though she's not as into it as the others.) Ishamael wants Rand to serve the Dark One at any cost, though he'll kill him if need be.be and wait for the next cycle to turn him. Finally, all of them are opposed to Padan Fain getting to do the deed, because, [[TheScrappy screw Padan Fain]].
8th Feb '16 10:15:50 AM intastiel
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* JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope: Joined the Shadow [[ImmortalitySeeker in exchange for eternal life]] in which to refine his musical talents. Bound his soul to a GodOfEvil. [[SelfMadeOrphan Fed his own mother to Trollocs]].



* PunchClockVillain: Was lured to The Shadow because immortality would give him the chance to... [[StupidEvil listen to more music]]? He wished to be immortal so that he could spend eternity perfecting his musical talent and become the greatest musician who ever lived. A bit petty, yes, but considering he was a ChildProdigy who became something of a WhiteDwarfStarlet after he grew up, it's a bit more understandable--akin to wanting to live forever so you can read every book in existence, or so you have the time to find cures for all diseases. Despite being a musical prodigy, he never quite achieved the success and fame that everyone had expected him to (relatively speaking- he was still famous and successful), and he believed that if he lived forever he would eventually achieve it, achieve the recognition. It's not clear if this means he was an AttentionWhore or TheWoobie, in the sense that he felt he had let people down and just applied InsaneTrollLogic to make up for it. Probably a bit of both. [[spoiler:The fact his Forsaken name simply means "musician" shows just how much his talent meant to him, that his world entirely revolved around it, and explains why he would do anything to achieve greatness in it.]]

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* PunchClockVillain: Was lured to The Shadow because immortality would give him the chance to... [[StupidEvil listen to more music]]? He wished to be immortal so that he could spend eternity perfecting his musical talent and become the greatest musician who ever lived. A bit petty, yes, but considering he was a ChildProdigy who became something of a WhiteDwarfStarlet after he grew up, it's a bit more understandable--akin to wanting to live forever so you can read every book in existence, or so you have the time to find cures for all diseases. Despite being a musical prodigy, he never quite achieved the success and fame that everyone had expected him to (relatively speaking- he was still famous and successful), and he believed that if he lived forever up to his reputation, he would eventually achieve joined the Shadow because he loved music too much to spend only one lifetime on it, achieve the recognition. It's not clear if this means he and was an AttentionWhore or TheWoobie, in the sense that he felt he had let people down and just applied InsaneTrollLogic to make up noted for it. Probably being a bit relatively benign administrator of both. [[spoiler:The conquered territories -- except [[EvilIsPetty to rival artists]]. The fact his Forsaken name simply means "musician" shows just how much his talent meant to him, that his world entirely revolved around it, and explains why he would do anything to achieve greatness in it.]]him.
7th Feb '16 9:42:54 PM SpectralTime
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* StupidEvil: Encouraged by their master. The Dark One needs them to retain their free will to use them with full effectiveness, but that carries the risk of one of them [[TheAtoner having a change of heart]]. So, without exception, its recruits are chosen for their willingness to be evil regardless of utility, and with only one exception, none of them ever do.
7th Feb '16 9:20:14 PM SpectralTime
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* EvilIsPetty: The Forsaken who ''weren't'' just assholes looking for a cheap way out of problems they'd brought on themselves almost universally sold their souls to the cosmic embodiment of evil for the most spiteful, small-minded reasons imaginable.



* MasterSwordsman: Stated by Demandred during the final book, according to some interpretations. Demandred is trying to come up with anyone who might have survived from the Second Age and thus be his near-equal as a swordsman. He names, then immediately dismisses, Asmodean[[note]]Considering his personality, it's possible Asmodean was skilled in the sport of "Swords", but not so much in actual combat, as he's noted to be awkward the one time he's shown holding a sword in an actual engagement near the end of ''Fires of Heaven''[[/note]].

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* MasterSwordsman: Stated by Demandred during the final book, according to some interpretations. Demandred is trying to come up with anyone who might have survived from the Second Age and thus be his near-equal as a swordsman. He names, then immediately dismisses, Asmodean[[note]]Considering his personality, it's possible Asmodean was skilled in the sport of "Swords", but not so much in actual combat, combat or relied on the Power, which he'd been denied at the time, for some sort of edge, as he's noted to be awkward the one time he's shown holding a sword in an actual engagement near the end of ''Fires of Heaven''[[/note]].


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* EvilIsPetty: Went over to the side of unlimited evil essentially because she got denied a grant.
6th Feb '16 9:55:14 AM intastiel
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* ItsPersonal: ''No-one'' on the side of the Shadow hated Lews Therin more than he did; according to the guide, no-one on the side of the Shadow hates ''anything'' more than he hates Lews Therin, or now Rand al'Thor. Given what utter hateful bastards the Shadow has working for it... that's a lot of hate. [[spoiler: As of ''Memory of Light'', all that hate seems to have driven him more than a little bonkers, though he's still the picture of sanity next to the like of Ishamael]].

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* ItsPersonal: ''No-one'' on the side of the Shadow hated Lews Therin more than he did; according to the guide, no-one No one on the side of the Shadow hates ''anything'' more than he hates Lews Therin, or now Rand al'Thor. Given what utter hateful bastards the Shadow has working for it... that's a lot of hate. [[spoiler: As of ''Memory This is his undoing in ''A Memory of Light'', all since he wastes the most powerful Channeling circle and AmplifierArtifact in the world posturing and demanding that hate seems to have driven him more than a little bonkers, though he's still the picture of sanity next to the like of Ishamael]].Rand come out and fight]].


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* SanityHasAdvantages: [[spoiler:He crashes the Last Battle with an army, a battalion of linked channelers, and the world's most powerful AmplifierArtifact; then struts around demanding a duel from Rand, who is thousands of miles away from the front lines. The thought that his hated arch-nemesis simply had better things to do than deal with him never occurs to him, to the net effect that he gets his head lopped off by someone else before Rand even learns that Demandred is looking for him.]]
10th Jan '16 12:37:08 PM Gregzilla
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* [[spoiler: DeathByIrony: He's easily the [[ReadingsAreOffTheScale strongest channeler]] and [[GeniusBruiser greatest strategist]] the evil side has at the battlefields of the Last Battle, but he's eventually killed by [[BadassNormal Lan]], a man whose greatest skill is [[MasterSwordsman swordsmanship]] and the willingness to tank a mortal blow just to kill his opponent.]]

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* [[spoiler: DeathByIrony: He's [[spoiler:He's easily the [[ReadingsAreOffTheScale strongest channeler]] and [[GeniusBruiser greatest strategist]] the evil side has at the battlefields of the Last Battle, but he's eventually killed by [[BadassNormal Lan]], a man whose greatest skill is [[MasterSwordsman swordsmanship]] and the willingness to tank a mortal blow just to kill his opponent.]]



* [[spoiler:OffWithHisHead: Decapitated by Lan in Book 14.]]
** [[spoiler:DecapitationPresentation: Once Lan gets up from his HeroicSacrifice, this is what he does, completely demoralizing the Shadow's armies.]]

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* [[spoiler:OffWithHisHead: Decapitated OffWithHisHead: [[spoiler:Decapitated by Lan in Book 14.]]
** [[spoiler:DecapitationPresentation: Once DecapitationPresentation: [[spoiler:Once Lan gets up from his HeroicSacrifice, this is what he does, completely demoralizing the Shadow's armies.]]
28th Dec '15 11:40:37 AM Anddrix
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* {{Narcissist}}: He is the DoctorDoom of the Wheel Of Time-verse. His motivation boils down to that he cannot stand the fact that he is only the ''second'' greatest all-round {{Badass}} who ever walked the face of the Earth.

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* {{Narcissist}}: He is the DoctorDoom Doctor Doom of the Wheel Of Time-verse. His motivation boils down to that he cannot stand the fact that he is only the ''second'' greatest all-round {{Badass}} who ever walked the face of the Earth.
5th Dec '15 8:32:15 PM Ingonyama
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* MeaningfulName: The name Graendal bears a remarkable resemblance to "Grendel" (of Beowulf fame). And the Companion reveals it means [[spoiler:"vessel of pleasure"]]in the Old Tongue.

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* MeaningfulName: The name Graendal bears a remarkable resemblance to "Grendel" (of Beowulf fame). And the Companion reveals it means [[spoiler:"vessel of pleasure"]]in pleasure"]] in the Old Tongue.
5th Dec '15 8:19:52 PM Ingonyama
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* RedBaron: They're known by their Old Tongue epithets far more than by their actual given names, both in the series and on this page. We have the meanings of a few of them - Betrayer of Hope (Ishamael), Daughter of the Night (Lanfear), Destroyer of Hope (Sammael), and the Spider (Moghedien[[note]]"moghedien" is actually the Old Tongue name of a particular kind of poisonous spider[[/note]]). We also have "Lady of Pain" (Semirhage) and "Netweaver" (Be'lal), but it's unclear if these are the literal meanings of their names or additional epithets.

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* RedBaron: They're known by their Old Tongue epithets far more than by their actual given names, both in the series and on this page. We have the meanings of a few of them - Betrayer of Hope (Ishamael), Daughter of the Night (Lanfear), Destroyer of Hope (Sammael), and the Spider (Moghedien[[note]]"moghedien" is actually the Old Tongue name of a particular kind of poisonous spider[[/note]]). We also have "Lady of Pain" (Semirhage) and "Netweaver" (Be'lal), but it's unclear if these are the literal meanings of their names or additional epithets. [[spoiler:The WOT Companion reveals that one of Be'lal's nicknames, "the Envious", is in fact one of the translations for his name (or more directly, "desire to have"). Semirhage, meanwhile, means "the promise of pain" or one who embodies it.]]



* EvilutionaryBiologist: Created [[OurOrcsAreDifferent trollocs]] and other Shadowspawn, and thus indirectly created the Myrddraal.

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* EvilutionaryBiologist: Created [[OurOrcsAreDifferent trollocs]] and other Shadowspawn, and thus indirectly created the Myrddraal. Alluded to by the name he was given as a Forsaken [[spoiler:which means "slicer of the living"]].



* NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast: [[spoiler:An osan'gar is a dagger dipped in slow poison.]]

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* NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast: [[spoiler:An osan'gar is a dagger dipped in slow poison.]]]] See also the spoiler text above under EvilutionaryBiologist.



* TheBard: In his backstory, as well as his cover story as [[spoiler:Natael]]. He formally becomes the Dragon Reborn's bard as a convenient way to keep him around without suspicion.

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* TheBard: In his backstory, as well as his cover story as [[spoiler:Natael]]. He formally becomes the Dragon Reborn's bard as a convenient way to keep him around without suspicion. [[spoiler:His Forsaken name even ''means'' "musician", showing just how important music was to him and how his life revolved around it.]]



* NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast: "Asmodean" derives from "Asmodeus", a recurring [[DemonLordsAndArchDevils demon lord]] in Judeo-Christian lore. Note that this is not an example InUniverse; there, his name simply means musician.

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* NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast: "Asmodean" derives from "Asmodeus", a recurring [[DemonLordsAndArchDevils demon lord]] in Judeo-Christian lore. Note that this is not an example InUniverse; there, his name simply means musician.[[spoiler:musician]].



* OddNameOut: His name is the only one of the Forsakens' which was not chosen to invoke dread; it simply means "musician", his initial profession.

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* OddNameOut: His name is the only one of the Forsakens' which was not chosen to invoke dread; it simply means "musician", [[spoiler:"musician", his initial profession.profession]] and further indicates how he was relatively the TokenGoodTeammate of the bunch.



* PunchClockVillain: Was lured to The Shadow because immortality would give him the chance to... [[StupidEvil listen to more music]]? He wished to be immortal so that he could spend eternity perfecting his musical talent and become the greatest musician who ever lived. A bit petty, yes, but considering he was a ChildProdigy who became something of a WhiteDwarfStarlet after he grew up, it's a bit more understandable--akin to wanting to live forever so you can read every book in existence, or so you have the time to find cures for all diseases. Despite being a musical prodigy, he never quite achieved the success and fame that everyone had expected him to (relatively speaking- he was still famous and successful), and he believed that if he lived forever he would eventually achieve it, achieve the recognition. It's not clear if this means he was an AttentionWhore or TheWoobie, in the sense that he felt he had let people down and just applied InsaneTrollLogic to make up for it. Probably a bit of both.

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* PunchClockVillain: Was lured to The Shadow because immortality would give him the chance to... [[StupidEvil listen to more music]]? He wished to be immortal so that he could spend eternity perfecting his musical talent and become the greatest musician who ever lived. A bit petty, yes, but considering he was a ChildProdigy who became something of a WhiteDwarfStarlet after he grew up, it's a bit more understandable--akin to wanting to live forever so you can read every book in existence, or so you have the time to find cures for all diseases. Despite being a musical prodigy, he never quite achieved the success and fame that everyone had expected him to (relatively speaking- he was still famous and successful), and he believed that if he lived forever he would eventually achieve it, achieve the recognition. It's not clear if this means he was an AttentionWhore or TheWoobie, in the sense that he felt he had let people down and just applied InsaneTrollLogic to make up for it. Probably a bit of both. [[spoiler:The fact his Forsaken name simply means "musician" shows just how much his talent meant to him, that his world entirely revolved around it, and explains why he would do anything to achieve greatness in it.]]



* DramaticIrony: His Forsaken name means [[spoiler:"essence of youth", reflecting how he joined the Shadow solely for immortality]]. Now look at AgeWithoutYouth above...



* RedBaron: The Netweaver. It's unclear if that was the literal meaning of his Forsaken name, or simply an additional title.

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* RedBaron: The Netweaver. It's unclear if that was the literal meaning of his Forsaken name, or simply an additional title. [[spoiler:It's a title. The Companion reveals his name actually means "the Envious", another title listed above.]]



** [[spoiler:Demandred means "one who twists the blade" according to the Companion, a reference to both his swordfighting skill and his having betrayed Lews Therin, thus "twisting the knife."]]



* MeaningfulName: The name Graendal bears a remarkable resemblance to "Grendel" (of Beowulf fame).

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* MeaningfulName: The name Graendal bears a remarkable resemblance to "Grendel" (of Beowulf fame). And the Companion reveals it means [[spoiler:"vessel of pleasure"]]in the Old Tongue.



* DramaticIrony: Despite joining the Shadow for being relegated to a teaching job instead of research she is the only Forsaken to willingly teach others.

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* DramaticIrony: Despite joining the Shadow for being relegated to a teaching job instead of research she is the only Forsaken to willingly teach others. Underscored even more by the meaning of her Forsaken name [[spoiler:"teacher of lessons", though this can also refer to how she would "teach them all" after she was spurned by the Collam Daan]].



* SadistTeacher: Ran schools that trained child soldiers for the Shadow. In the White Tower, she treats her Black Ajah minions like students as well, including how she disciplines them.

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* SadistTeacher: Ran schools that trained child soldiers for the Shadow. In the White Tower, she treats her Black Ajah minions like students as well, including how she disciplines them. She even treats Egwene the same way when they have their showdown.



* WeHardlyKnewYe: While he lasts from book three to book five (though only appearing in two of those), he is only given one POV scene and is otherwise left to plot and scheme in the shadows. In fact he is an in-universe version of this, since it's stated in the Guide he is the Forsaken about whom the least is known--no one in fact knows what he did or who he was before he joined the Shadow, other than his name.

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* WeHardlyKnewYe: While he lasts from book three to book five (though only appearing in two of those), he is only given one POV scene and is otherwise left to plot and scheme in the shadows. In fact he is an in-universe version of this, since it's stated in the Guide he is the Forsaken about whom the least is known--no one in fact knows what he did or who he was before he joined the Shadow, other than his name. Also reflected by the obscure and unexplained meaning for his Forsaken name given in the Companion: [[spoiler:"promise of freedom"--freedom from what? The Dark One? Mortality? Morality (see his love of MindControl plus being a HandsomeLech)? The supposed perfections of utopia?]] We will never know.



* TheDreaded: During the War of Power, captives often committed suicide- even by ''biting their own wrists''- when they learned they were being taken to her, to the point that her minions had to take special precautions against it for all prisoners. At one point she was captured, but she freaked out the guards so much that they actually ''smuggled her out and set her free''. She was an incredibly sadistic torturer and MadScientist, who enjoyed discovering new ways to make people suffer, and she has turned the SadisticChoice into an art form.

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* TheDreaded: During the War of Power, captives often committed suicide- even by ''biting their own wrists''- when they learned they were being taken to her, to the point that her minions had to take special precautions against it for all prisoners. At one point she was captured, but she freaked out the guards so much that they actually ''smuggled her out and set her free''. She was an incredibly sadistic torturer and MadScientist, who enjoyed discovering new ways to make people suffer, and she has turned the SadisticChoice into an art form. And her Forsaken name means [[spoiler:[[MeaningfulName "the promise of pain itself"]], or one who embodies it.]]
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