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* MortalityEnsues: ''Series/StarTrekPicard'' shows that while the Q are nigh-omnipotent, they are not ageless. LongLived, certainly, almost certainly to the point of Really700YearsOld, but not ageless. But because they also hop through timelines like nobody's business, this means that even if you witness a Q die, that's them at the end of ''their'' lifespan from ''their'' perspective. Before they got to that point in ''their'' timeline. They have probably already interacted with you in ''your'' future - which means that even after you see them die in your linear perception of time, they can still show up later, and because of their nigh-omniscience, they know you have already interacted with their older self.
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* MortalityEnsues: ''Series/StarTrekPicard'' shows that while the Q are nigh-omnipotent, they are not ageless. LongLived, certainly, almost certainly to the point of Really700YearsOld, but not ageless. But because they also hop through timelines like nobody's business, this means that even if you witness a Q die, that's them at the end of ''their'' lifespan from ''their'' perspective. Before they got to that point in ''their'' timeline. They timeline, they have probably already interacted with you in ''your'' future - which means that even after you see them die in your linear perception of time, they can still show up later, and because of their nigh-omniscience, they know you have already interacted with their older self.
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* MortalityEnsues: "Our" Q is shown to be ''dying'' in ''Series/StarTrekPicard.'' It's not explained at all, really, but seems to be from age or natural causes. And then [[spoiler: he dies.]] And then [[spoiler: at the end of the series he comes back anyway, and waves off Jack's mention of his death as it all being beyond human comprehension or something.]]
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* MortalityEnsues: "Our" ''Series/StarTrekPicard'' shows that while the Q is shown to be ''dying'' in ''Series/StarTrekPicard.'' It's are nigh-omnipotent, they are not explained at all, really, ageless. LongLived, certainly, almost certainly to the point of Really700YearsOld, but seems to be from age or natural causes. And then [[spoiler: he dies.]] And then [[spoiler: not ageless. But because they also hop through timelines like nobody's business, this means that even if you witness a Q die, that's them at the end of the series he comes back anyway, ''their'' lifespan from ''their'' perspective. Before they got to that point in ''their'' timeline. They have probably already interacted with you in ''your'' future - which means that even after you see them die in your linear perception of time, they can still show up later, and waves off Jack's mention because of his death as it all being beyond human comprehension or something.]]their nigh-omniscience, they know you have already interacted with their older self.
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** They use organic technology which the Borg are unable to assimilate, and ridiculously outgun them. Case in point, a single Bioship destroyed a fleet of Borg cubes, And the only reason the Bioship took damage was because a Cube performed a suicide run, and that only put out the ship temporarily.
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** They use organic technology which the Borg are unable to assimilate, and ridiculously outgun them. Case in point, point: a single Bioship destroyed a fleet of Borg cubes, And and the only reason the Bioship took even temporary damage was because that a Cube performed a suicide run, and that only put out the ship temporarily.run.
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** On top of that, they are highly intelligent, capable of scheming, infiltration and manipulation, the latter two the Borg suck in. It's lucky for the ST universe that they chose to start their annihilation campaign in the Delta Quadrant and against the Borg. Otherwise the Federation and their peer societies would have never known what hit them.
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** On top of that, they are highly intelligent, capable of scheming, infiltration and manipulation, the latter two being things that the Borg suck in.at. It's lucky for the ST universe that they chose to start their annihilation campaign in the Delta Quadrant and against the Borg. Otherwise the Federation and their peer societies would have never known what hit them.
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* EvilerThanThou: They're [[ExaggeratedTrope more lethal than even]] ''[[ExaggeratedTrope the Borg]]''. Yes, the [[TheJuggernaut near-unstoppable]], [[HordeOfAlienLocusts all-consuming]] cybernetic HiveMind that has been the terror of the galaxy for centuries is completely outclassed by the genetically superior, highly territorial eldritch aliens. The Borg want to assimilate everyone into their collective; Species 8472 wants to [[AbsoluteXenophobe annihilate every other living thing]] because they consider it an affront to their vaunted purity. The good news for the galaxy, however, is that Species 8472 fundamentally just want to be left alone in their dimension and cease their incursions when ''Voyager'''s crew persuades them that the Federation will respect their isolation.
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* EvilerThanThou: They're [[ExaggeratedTrope more lethal than even]] ''[[ExaggeratedTrope the Borg]]''. Yes, the [[TheJuggernaut near-unstoppable]], [[HordeOfAlienLocusts all-consuming]] cybernetic HiveMind that has been the terror of the galaxy for centuries is completely outclassed by the genetically superior, highly territorial eldritch aliens. The Borg want to assimilate everyone into their collective; Species 8472 wants to [[AbsoluteXenophobe annihilate every other living thing]] because they consider it an affront to their vaunted purity. The good news for the galaxy, however, is that Species 8472 fundamentally just want to be left alone in their dimension dimension, and cease their incursions when ''Voyager'''s crew persuades them that the Federation will respect their isolation.
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* SuperStrength: Strong enough to charge through walls, send people flying, figuratively and literally crush the super strong cyborgs that are the Borg's, amd tear through starship hulls.
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* SuperStrength: Strong enough to charge through walls, send people flying, figuratively and literally crush the super strong cyborgs that are the Borg's, Borg, amd tear through starship hulls.
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* UltimateLifeForm: The Borg view them as "the apex of of biological evolution." Unfortunately for them, it turns out they're also capable of {{No Sell}}ing their assimilation techniques.
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* UltimateLifeForm: The Borg view them as "the apex of of biological evolution." Unfortunately for them, it turns out they're also capable of {{No Sell}}ing their assimilation techniques.
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* NearVillainVictory: In the episode "Twilight," Archer is impaired with transdimensional parasites and because of this, the Xindi succeed in destroying Earth. The Sphere Builders would have been victorious in their goal of conquering the galaxy, had Phlox not found a way to eliminate the parasites in the present while also eliminating them in the past. This resets the timeline and ultimately ensures the Builders' defeat.
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* ArtEvolution: The Xindi-Insectoids returned in the ''Series/StarTrekDiscovery'' episode "...But to Connect." Their depiction is much more humanoid while having distinct insectoid features.
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* {{Realpolitik}}: As one might expect, Vulcan foreign policy tends to lean toward ruthless pragmatism, particularly back in the early 22nd century when they were under a military government.
-->'''Syrran''': Vulcans do not lie.\\
'''Archer''': I've dealt with the High Command. Vulcans can lie and cheat with the best of them.
-->'''Syrran''': Vulcans do not lie.\\
'''Archer''': I've dealt with the High Command. Vulcans can lie and cheat with the best of them.
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* UnwittingTestSubjects: Much of the ''Voyager'' crew (sans the Doctor) is subjected to this, and Alzen unashamedly admits her people do this to any and everyone they can, all in the name of advancing their medical research.
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* UnwittingTestSubjects: UnwittingTestSubject: Much of the ''Voyager'' crew (sans the Doctor) is subjected to are made this, and Alzen unashamedly admits her people do this to any and everyone they can, all in the name of advancing their medical research.
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* DamnedByFaintPraise: Probably the nicest thing anyone's said about the Q is Guinan's comment that ''some'' of the Q are ''almost'' respectable.
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* DamnedByFaintPraise: Probably the nicest thing anyone's said about the Q is Guinan's comment that ''some'' of the Q are ''almost'' respectable. Janeway also notes that TNG-Q has done many questionable things, but he's never actually ''lied'' to anyone in any of his documented encounters with the ''Enterprise'' or Deep Space Nine crew.
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* AllThereInTheManual: The Srivani are never actually referred to be their species name onscreen, only in the shooting script.
* ArtisticLicenseBiology: Certain features of the scientific method include controlling the variables of each experiment and being able to repeat results, something that's hard to see as possible with 100 different experiments done on a crew of various races, most of which live tens of thousands of light years away.
* ArtisticLicenseBiology: Certain features of the scientific method include controlling the variables of each experiment and being able to repeat results, something that's hard to see as possible with 100 different experiments done on a crew of various races, most of which live tens of thousands of light years away.
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* AllThereInTheManual: The Srivani are never actually referred to be by their species name onscreen, only in the shooting script.
* ArtisticLicenseBiology: Certain features of the scientific method include controlling the variables of each experiment and being able to repeat results, something that's hard to see as possible with 100 different experiments done on a crew of various races,most all of which (except for Neelix) live tens of thousands of light years away.
* ArtisticLicenseBiology: Certain features of the scientific method include controlling the variables of each experiment and being able to repeat results, something that's hard to see as possible with 100 different experiments done on a crew of various races,
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->''"The Suliban don't share humanity's patience with natural selection."''
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The Suliban are SpaceNomads whose homeworld became uninhabitable centuries ago. Since then, many of them have become a proxy military for Future Guy, a mysterious figure from the 28th century who gives them genetic upgrades in return for doing his bidding in the 22nd century.
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The Suliban Srivani are SpaceNomads whose homeworld became uninhabitable centuries ago. Since then, many of them have become a proxy military for Future Guy, a mysterious figure from Delta Quadrant species with incredibly advanced biomedical technology, beyond anything the 28th century Federation or any other previously-encountered species possess. Unfortunately, they're also prone to conducting live experiments on anyone who gives them genetic upgrades in return for doing his bidding in the 22nd century.
comes within range of their territory, justifying such actions (which Janeway considers one step above barbarism) as ForTheGreaterGood.
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* AllThereInTheManual: The Srivani are never actually referred to be their species name onscreen, only in the shooting script.
* ArtisticLicenseBiology: Certain features of the scientific method include controlling the variables of each experiment and being able to repeat results, something that's hard to see as possible with 100 different experiments done on a crew of various races, most of which live tens of thousands of light years away.
* BarcodeTattoo: How they're ultimately detected: they mark their subjects with these ''on fragments of their DNA'', only visible with specialized non-medical equipment on the highest magnification settings.
* CondescendingCalmness: After being caught, the alien scientist tries to talk to Janeway in this manner. She's too pissed off to buy it.
* CowTools: Their medical devices are all the more menacing [[NothingIsScarier because it's hard to tell exactly what they're doing.]]
* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: It's not hard to draw parallels between the Srivani and war criminals like Nazi physician Josef Mengele, or the Imperial Japanese Army's Unit 731, though the Srivani at least ''claim'' to be doing their experiments for the betterment of others, instead of the aforementioned subjects ForTheEvulz approach.
* ForScience: The Srivani have taken this excuse to a ludicrous extreme, using it to justify ''live experimentation'' on sentient beings.
-->'''Alzen:''' Please understand that there's a purpose to our actions. The data we gather from you may help us cure physical and psychological disorders that afflict millions. Isn't that worth some discomfort?
* JustOneSecondOutOfSync: In addition to their medical technology, the Srivani use a phasing cloak to make themselves and their experiments invisible.
* MoralMyopia: The Srivani apparently see themselves as noble scientists doing what's needed to make life better for others. That they accomplish this by making unwilling victims of their experiments apparently doesn't factor into the equation.
* NoSympathy: The one Srivani that is captured refuses to release ''Voyager'''s crew or stop the experiments ahead of schedule, even going so far as to say she shouldn't even be ''talking'' to Janeway, much less answering some of her questions.
* PlayingWithSyringes: The aliens come across as an entire civilization who do what they do with the flimsiest of justifications. They routinely do medical experiments on sentient creatures, mutilating, torturing them, and even killing them if they feel it will benefit their medical research to do so. They feel completely justified in their actions and not only do they feel no remorse or regret over their actions, they feel that what they do is noble and beneficial. Genetically deforming, maiming and killing the crew of Voyager is the Nightmare Fuel evidence of their crimes and that is only the tip of the iceberg. What is really terrifying is that their flimsy justifications allow them to murder entire societies with impunity and go on torturing and killing as many sentient creatures as they feel is necessary for their "research."
* SeeTheInvisible: A low-power phaser burst set to a certain frequency will render the Srivani's personal cloaks ineffective, as will the same setting on any visual scanning equipment.
* StupidEvil: The Srivani seem completely taken by surprise when Janeway puts ''Voyager'' on a suicide course in an effort to force them off the ship.
* UnwittingTestSubjects: Much of the ''Voyager'' crew (sans the Doctor) is subjected to this, and Alzen unashamedly admits her people do this to any and everyone they can, all in the name of advancing their medical research.
* YouKnowTooMuch: It's only implied, but given that the Srivani immediately take steps to neutralize B'Elanna and the Doctor when they stumble upon what's going on, it's logical to assume they do the same in any other situation where they're on the verge of being detected.
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->''"The Suliban don't share humanity's patience with natural selection."''
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The Suliban are SpaceNomads whose homeworld became uninhabitable centuries ago. Since then, many of them have become a proxy military for Future Guy, a mysterious figure from the 28th century who gives them genetic upgrades in return for doing his bidding in the 22nd century.
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* ArtisticLicenseBiology: Certain features of the scientific method include controlling the variables of each experiment and being able to repeat results, something that's hard to see as possible with 100 different experiments done on a crew of various races, most of which live tens of thousands of light years away.
* BarcodeTattoo: How they're ultimately detected: they mark their subjects with these ''on fragments of their DNA'', only visible with specialized non-medical equipment on the highest magnification settings.
* CondescendingCalmness: After being caught, the alien scientist tries to talk to Janeway in this manner. She's too pissed off to buy it.
* CowTools: Their medical devices are all the more menacing [[NothingIsScarier because it's hard to tell exactly what they're doing.]]
* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: It's not hard to draw parallels between the Srivani and war criminals like Nazi physician Josef Mengele, or the Imperial Japanese Army's Unit 731, though the Srivani at least ''claim'' to be doing their experiments for the betterment of others, instead of the aforementioned subjects ForTheEvulz approach.
* ForScience: The Srivani have taken this excuse to a ludicrous extreme, using it to justify ''live experimentation'' on sentient beings.
-->'''Alzen:''' Please understand that there's a purpose to our actions. The data we gather from you may help us cure physical and psychological disorders that afflict millions. Isn't that worth some discomfort?
* JustOneSecondOutOfSync: In addition to their medical technology, the Srivani use a phasing cloak to make themselves and their experiments invisible.
* MoralMyopia: The Srivani apparently see themselves as noble scientists doing what's needed to make life better for others. That they accomplish this by making unwilling victims of their experiments apparently doesn't factor into the equation.
* NoSympathy: The one Srivani that is captured refuses to release ''Voyager'''s crew or stop the experiments ahead of schedule, even going so far as to say she shouldn't even be ''talking'' to Janeway, much less answering some of her questions.
* PlayingWithSyringes: The aliens come across as an entire civilization who do what they do with the flimsiest of justifications. They routinely do medical experiments on sentient creatures, mutilating, torturing them, and even killing them if they feel it will benefit their medical research to do so. They feel completely justified in their actions and not only do they feel no remorse or regret over their actions, they feel that what they do is noble and beneficial. Genetically deforming, maiming and killing the crew of Voyager is the Nightmare Fuel evidence of their crimes and that is only the tip of the iceberg. What is really terrifying is that their flimsy justifications allow them to murder entire societies with impunity and go on torturing and killing as many sentient creatures as they feel is necessary for their "research."
* SeeTheInvisible: A low-power phaser burst set to a certain frequency will render the Srivani's personal cloaks ineffective, as will the same setting on any visual scanning equipment.
* StupidEvil: The Srivani seem completely taken by surprise when Janeway puts ''Voyager'' on a suicide course in an effort to force them off the ship.
* UnwittingTestSubjects: Much of the ''Voyager'' crew (sans the Doctor) is subjected to this, and Alzen unashamedly admits her people do this to any and everyone they can, all in the name of advancing their medical research.
* YouKnowTooMuch: It's only implied, but given that the Srivani immediately take steps to neutralize B'Elanna and the Doctor when they stumble upon what's going on, it's logical to assume they do the same in any other situation where they're on the verge of being detected.
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->''"The Suliban don't share humanity's patience with natural selection."''
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* ObfuscatingStupidity: A prime example. While they truly aren't particularly intelligent, they seem to be fully aware of how benign and unintelligent they appear to other species, and they take full advantage of it. Their managing to snatch some tech from the ''Romulans'' should be a clear indicator that they're far more intelligent than they let on.
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* ObfuscatingStupidity: A prime example. While they truly aren't particularly intelligent, they do possess quite a bit of low cunning and seem to be fully aware of how benign and unintelligent they appear to other species, and they take full advantage of it. Their managing to snatch some tech from the ''Romulans'' should be a clear indicator that they're far more intelligent than they let on.
