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* VillainHasAPoint: Pretty obviously a villain, who does very, very little to endear himself to either players or in-game characters. However, his [[{{Jerkass}} nasty personality]] can make it easy to forget that ''everyone'' he goes against in both games (with the exception of Jack) really is a criminal entirely guilty of everything Ross accuses them of. Furthermore, his rationalization to clean up TheWildWest is emphasized in [[VideoGame/RedDeadRedemption2 the sequel]], even if you put aside the fact that the Van der Lindes murdered [[spoiler:Milton]]. Considering how incredibly depraved some criminals really are (such as the O'Driscolls, Murfree Brood and Skinner Brothers), it's hard to blame someone who is trying to clean up such a violent place as TheWildWest.
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* VillainHasAPoint: WellIntentionedExtremist: Pretty obviously a villain, who does very, very little to endear himself to either players or in-game characters. However, his [[{{Jerkass}} nasty personality]] can make it easy to forget that ''everyone'' he goes against in both games (with the exception of Jack) really is a criminal entirely guilty of everything Ross accuses them of. Furthermore, his rationalization to clean up TheWildWest is emphasized in [[VideoGame/RedDeadRedemption2 the sequel]], even if you put aside the fact that the Van der Lindes murdered [[spoiler:Milton]]. Considering how incredibly depraved some criminals really are (such as the O'Driscolls, Murfree Brood and Skinner Brothers), it's hard to blame someone who is trying to clean up such a violent place as TheWildWest.
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* JerkassHasAPoint: ''II'' reveals just how much death, destruction and damage the gang actually caused when they were active... ''especially'' to the law enforcement, the U.S army, Army, and Pinkerton detective agency.the Pinkertons. Even if he later changed his ways, John ''was'' completely willing to cause it back in the day. He's still a dick, but his treatment of John is completely understandable given his hatred of the gang. His ShutUpKirk to [[spoiler:Jack]] at the end of the first game, while assholish, is also [[BrutalHonesty pretty accurate]] all things considered.
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* YoungerThanTheyLook: He's 50 by the start of ''1'' and 53 by the epilogue, but looks at least 10 to 20 years older. Possibly justified due to the stresses of his job and living in TheWildWest.
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* AntiVillain: Pretty obviously a villain, who does very, very little to endear himself to either players or in-game characters. He's by no means a pleasant person, but his interactions with his family seem to imply that he's not at all the same horrible person to those in his company. Also, his repugnant personality can make it easy to forget that ''everyone'' he goes against in both games (with the exception of Jack) really is a criminal entirely guilty of everything Ross accuses them of. He's entirely genuine about bringing law to the west; it's just that his ruthless methods of doing so and total inability to let things slide [[HeWhoFightsMonsters makes him almost as bad as the criminals he fights]].
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* EvenEvilHasLovedOnes: During [[spoiler: He's by no means a pleasant person, but his interactions with his family seem to imply that he's not at all the epilogue when Jack hunts him down]] we meet same horrible person to those in his wife and brother who demonstrate that, at least off the job, Ross has a soft side.company.
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* CorneredRattlesnake: Ross prefers to stay on the sidelines and send others to do his dirty work, and doesn't seem much of a threat on his own. But when [[spoiler: a vengeful Jack Marston confronts him for his role in John's death and isn't driven off by threats, Ross stands his ground and engages Jack in a duel]].
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* FauxAffablyEvil: He often acts calm and polite towards John while kidnapping his family to do his dirty work for him, even making dark jokes about it.
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* KarmaHoudini: Unlike Ross, Archer faces no repercussions for his actions, as he was not involved in John's death.
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* KarmaHoudini: Unlike Ross, Archer faces no repercussions for his actions, as he was not [[spoiler:not involved in John's death.]]
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* PetTheDog: An extremely downplayed one and mostly visible through hindsight: Harold is actually one of the few white men who wants to find a peaceful settlement with the Native Americans in the area. [[spoiler: He's just so grossly incompetent it leads to Nastas death instead.]]
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* CloudCuckooLander: Completely off his rocker. His "research" is already batshit crazy to begin with, without bringing the massive amounts of cocaine and heroin he takes into the mix.
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* AntiVillain: Pretty obviously a villain, who does very, very little to endear himself to either players or in-game characters. He's by no means a pleasant person, but his interactions with his family seem to imply that he's not at all the same horrible person to those in his company.
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* AntiVillain: Pretty obviously a villain, who does very, very little to endear himself to either players or in-game characters. He's by no means a pleasant person, but his interactions with his family seem to imply that he's not at all the same horrible person to those in his company. Also, his repugnant personality can make it easy to forget that ''everyone'' he goes against in both games (with the exception of Jack) really is a criminal entirely guilty of everything Ross accuses them of. He's entirely genuine about bringing law to the west; it's just that his ruthless methods of doing so and total inability to let things slide [[HeWhoFightsMonsters makes him almost as bad as the criminals he fights]].
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* JerkassHasAPoint: ''II'' reveals just how much death, destruction and damage the gang actually caused when they were active... ''especially'' to the law enforcement, U.S army, and Pinkerton detective agency. Even if he later changed his ways, John ''was'' completely willing to cause it back in the day. He's still a dick, but his treatment of John is completely understandable given his hatred of the gang.
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* JerkassHasAPoint: ''II'' reveals just how much death, destruction and damage the gang actually caused when they were active... ''especially'' to the law enforcement, U.S army, and Pinkerton detective agency. Even if he later changed his ways, John ''was'' completely willing to cause it back in the day. He's still a dick, but his treatment of John is completely understandable given his hatred of the gang. His ShutUpKirk to [[spoiler:Jack]] at the end of the first game, while assholish, is also [[BrutalHonesty pretty accurate]] all things considered.
-->'''[[spoiler:Jack]]''': You killed [[spoiler:my father]]!
-->'''Ross''': Your [[spoiler:father]] killed himself with the life he lived.
-->'''[[spoiler:Jack]]''': [[LameComeback You killed him! I saw it!]]
-->'''Ross''': You keep ''saying'' that...
-->'''[[spoiler:Jack]]''': You killed [[spoiler:my father]]!
-->'''Ross''': Your [[spoiler:father]] killed himself with the life he lived.
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* MisplacedRetribution: Downplayed. He doesn't seem to be after the Van Der Linde gang for personal reasons, but [[spoiler:he doesn't seem to know that Abigail killed his former partner, likely assuming that Arthur did it.]]
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* NotSoDifferent: [[spoiler: Between John, and himself, they really aren't. Neither of them can escape their past. John can't escape his past life of crime, while Ross can't get away from his life as a government employee, constantly being pulled back in to work. They even die similarly: Someone of their past catches up to them and pumps them full of lead. It's also hinted that, beneath all his talk of civilizing the west, he's secretly just as resentful of modern civilization as Dutch and the gang; after his retirement, Jack finds him leaving a semi-secluded life in the middle of nowhere, [[BecomeYourOwnAntithesis dressing just like the cowpokes he spent his life hunting and looking down on]].]]
* MisplacedRetribution: Downplayed. Hedoesn't seem to be is after the Van Der Linde gang (and later the Marston family specifically) for personal reasons, but [[spoiler:he doesn't seem to know that Abigail killed his former partner, likely assuming that Arthur did it.]]
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* PragmaticVillainy: [[spoiler:This is presumably why the Van der Linde Gang members who avert DoomedByCanon by the end of II survive: Due to them being either not notable outlaws whose deaths wouldn't gain him renown (Pearson, Mary-Beth, etc.) or moving far from the US (Sadie, Charles) they're officially either NotWorthKilling as far as he's concerned]].concerned or out of his jurisdiction]].
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* KnowNothingKnowItAll: His scientific ideas in general make him this, as it becomes clear after a while that he has no idea what he's talking about. When Nastas tries to explain to him that buffalo are going extinct due to overhunting, he counters that "extinction is a myth", according to Darwin. Darwin never said this, and it seems that MacDougal doesn't understand how natural selection works. Then there's his ideas on race.
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* MultipleGunshotDeath: [[spoiler: Thanks to Jack Marston.]]
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* {{Jerkass}}: While Fordham at least shows gratitude and even respect occasionally towards John and others, Ross is disdainful towards ''everyone'' he runs into - not just John - and considers himself nobler and morally above pretty much the entire West by default. He constantly refers to the people he protects as savages, fools and scum that should be lucky to have his assistance, and is just in general very unlikable. He is even disrespectful to those working for him, like Fordham (who he is constantly putting down) and Nastas (who he refers to as a savage).
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* {{Jerkass}}: While Fordham at least shows gratitude and even respect occasionally towards John and others, Ross is disdainful towards ''everyone'' he runs into - not just John - and considers himself nobler and morally above pretty much the entire West by default. He constantly refers to the people he protects as savages, fools and scum that should be lucky to have his assistance, and is just in general very unlikable. He is even disrespectful to those working for him, like Fordham (who he is constantly putting down) and Nastas (who he refers to as a savage). [[spoiler: It’s this constant need to belittle or insult others which is what gets him killed in 1914.]]
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* InsultBackfire: [[spoiler: Boy, and it did backfire. Insulting and threatening Jack Marston, not only angers the man more, but it also leads to Ross’s brutal death.]]
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* ArchEnemy: To the Marstons in the first game. He’s holding Abigail and Jack against their will to force John to capture or kill his former gang members. [[spoiler: One can argue that he’s truly Jack Marston’s archenemy after killing John directly and causing Uncle’s and Abigail’s deaths.]]
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* TooDumbToLive: [[spoiler: Saying John got what he deserved plus insulting and threatening Jack was the ''worst '' decision Ross ever made in his entire life. He went from having a low chance of living after Jack confronted him (assuming he explained himself and showed remorse for John’s death) to '''zero '''chance of not being pumped full of lead.]]
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* TheGhost: Despite his importance to the game's background, he is never encountered. The closet we get is the stranger mission "American Lobbyist" in Blackwater, where John assists an operative of his.
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* AxCrazy: [[spoiler:Gets kicked out of Yale after beating a colleague over the head with a croquet mallet and climbing up to the roof completely naked, in what is described as a "savage" attack, likely after a bad trip.]]
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A gubernatorial candidate campaigning in West Elizabeth, and later the commonwealth's governor.
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* BlueBlood: Hails from an affluent southern family.
* BreadEggsMilkSquick: Aldous Worthington's accusations against Johns include "corruption and vote-rigging to extortion, kidnapping, and sexual depravity."
* CorruptHick: Southern BlueBlood who's looked down upon by locals like Mrs. Ditkiss for his family being "hillbilly trash" from the antebellum era.
* CorruptPolitician: Transparently so, not above outright buying votes and blackmailing rivals.
* TheGhost: Despite his importance to the game's background, he is never encountered. The closet we get is the stranger mission "American Lobbyist" in Blackwater, where John assists an operative of his.
* GreaterScopeVillain: To Edgar Ross' BigBad. While not personally involved in the mission that Ross sends John on, it's made clear that the local Bureau, under Ross' direction, is tacitly assisting the Johns campaign. As the law and order candidate, it's little surprise that [[GloryHound Ross]] hopes to use Johns' campaign promise in order to make himself look good. Were it not for Johns' campaign, it's conceivable that the events of the game would've played out quite differently.
* LaserGuidedKarma: [[spoiler:Johns' underhanded tactics are ultimately his downfall, and his multiple scandals ensure that his governorship is short-lived.]]
* ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney: His motus operandi. He's a scion of a wealthy southern family and just throws money at any problem.
* TheUnfought: Like Sanchez, John never goes after him, though Johns is merely corrupt and not part of Ross' [[spoiler:betrayal and murder of John. This saves him from Jack's wrath several years later.]]
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* AssholeVictim: [[spoiler: While Jack hunting down and killing Ross made him the polar opposite of what his parents wanted him to be, Ross ''really'' had it coming.]]
* BewareTheQuietOnes: He barely speaks in his few appearances in ''II'', but once [[spoiler:Milton kicks the bucket]], Ross descends on the gang with an
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* BookEnds: In ''Red Dead Redemption'' the last time he meets Jack Marston, he's duck hunting by a river [[spoiler:before he's gunned down.]] In ''Red Dead Redemption II'', it's revealed the first time they met was when Jack was four and
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* CycleOfRevenge: [[spoiler:Abigail killing Ross' superior, Milton, is what setup a long conflict between Ross and the Marston Family, leading Ross to blackmail John by kidnapping his family and killing him after he had done his dirty work. This leads to Jack killing Ross once he grows up.]]
* DastardlyDapperDerby: He's almost always seen in the standard agent getup of a nice suit and derby hat, and despite having a few good points, is a pretty nasty piece of work.
* DeadpanSnarker: He always has a snide comment ready for John or Fordham.
* DirtyCop: He's not above kidnapping someone's family to make them hunt down outlaws that ''he'' should be hunting down.
* DirtyCoward: He ''does'' participate in a few firefights, including [[spoiler: the assault on Beecher's Hope, and when an older Jack Marston confronts him in the epilogue, he does at least agree to a fair duel rather than trying something underhanded or running away]]. But none of this quite makes up for the fact that he spends the whole game forcing John, by kidnapping his innocent family, to risk life and limb hunting down Dutch's gang instead of doing it himself. One mission has a pretty glaring moment where he sends both John and Fordham to investigate a derelict riverboat that is obviously a trap, showing that he views everyone "on the job" aside from himself as expendable.
* TheDragon: He's one to Agent Milton in the prequel, standing by his side and acting as muscle as Milton does the talking.
* DragonAscendant: [[spoiler:After Milton's death, he takes over at the very last mission of Chapter 6 to lead the Pinkerton attack on Beaver Hollow, and in the epilogue of ''II'', kickstarting the events of the first game.]]
* EstablishingCharacterMoment: The very first thing we see Ross do is rudely shove a paper boy out of his way as he's escorting John to the train. And if that wasn't enough to let us know that he's hardly a pleasant guy, the next time we see him, he tells John that Abigail "sends her regards" and gives a snide little chuckle. In ''Red Dead Redemption II'' (which also acts as his first appearance chronologically), he snidely tells little Jack Marston to enjoy his fishing "while he still can" before chuckling, showing that he's always been a jerk.
* EvenEvilHasLovedOnes: During [[spoiler: the epilogue when Jack hunts him down]] we meet his wife and brother who demonstrate that, at least off the job, Ross has a soft side.
* EvilHasABadSenseOfHumor: Ross is prone to snarky remarks, but his sense of humor is so dark and snide that he's clearly the only one who finds them amusing.
* {{Expy}}: A [[DirtyCop corrupt law enforcement official]] with an [[SmugSnake irritatingly smug personality]] who forces the protagonist to do his dirty work by [[IHaveYourWife holding family hostage]], claims to be doing what he does for the greater good, and [[spoiler: decides to kill the protagonist after they've done everything he asked]]? Are we talking about Agent Edgar Ross or [[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas Officer Frank Tenpenny]]?
* FakeUltimateHero: At the game's end, [[WrittenByTheWinners the "official" story]] is that [[spoiler:Ross was a great hero who brought down the remaining members of the Van der Linde Gang, bringing these murderers and thieves to justice. Almost no one knows that the ''true'' story had Ross force one of the gang's former members -- who was desperately trying to go straight and live a normal life -- to do his dirty work for him, only to stab him in the back after promising to leave him and his family alone.]]
* FBIAgent: An early 20th-century example (which technically makes him a Bureau of Investigation Agent). II reveals that he's the director of the Bureau in this setting.
* FinalBoss: [[spoiler:The main storyline concludes with a duel between him and Jack Marston, at the bank of the San Luis river.]]
* GoodSmokingEvilSmoking: Lights up a cigar as he [[spoiler: watches John take his last breaths, satisfied that Dutch's Gang has been completely wiped out]].
* GloryHound: As much as Ross harps on about morality and how everyone must pay for their misdeeds, when it comes to wiping out Dutch's gang, it's heavily implied at one point that he's also in it for the medals. [[spoiler: And according to his brother, he was awarded a "chestful" of them after taking care of John, fully eliminating the gang.]] He'd be a mere GlorySeeker if his methods weren't so underhanded.
* HateSink: Despite ultimately being the main antagonist, Ross is a lawman who, despite his underhanded methods, does have at least a few good points, and it's hard to fault someone who's
* HeroAntagonist: At his
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* CorruptPolitician: Transparently so, not above outright buying votes
* HoistByHisOwnPetard: Since [[spoiler:Jack]] wasn't present to see just who [[spoiler:killed John]], he would have no idea who to go after for revenge... but Ross just had to go and boast about it on the news. Him taking all the credit for the deed may have been the worst decision he could've taken.
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** He also talks about the need for the rule of law, yet brings in the Army to serve as a police force against Dutch's gang, something that was and is illegal to do. Of course, considering how powerful Dutch's gang had become, he [[JerkassHasAPoint has a point]].
** Regardless of whatever sanctimony he endlessly shoots John's way, it becomes clear by the end he's a much worse person than John likely ''ever'' was. John was driven into being an outlaw, but even then doesn't make excuses for his misdeeds in life and is simply trying to be a better man for his wife and son. Ross is a HolierThanThou asshat who threatens John's family to get him to do his own job for him [[spoiler: and then treacherously murders him even after he's done it [[GloryHound
* InspectorJavert: To John Marston's Valjean; he continues to rage against Marston's supposed monstrousness and in the
* IHaveYourWife: He's holding Abigail and Jack hostage, which is how he gets John under his thumb.
* ItsPersonal: Implied. Despite Milton's best attempts, the gang keeps humiliating them by managing to escape every time they try to capture them. Once Ross assumes control, he is clearly fed up and just launches a massive attack on the gang. His treatment of John in the first game is very likely payback for not only the constant humiliation Dutch's gang caused him and his former partner, but for the piles of dead Pinkerton agents they left in their wake.
* {{Jerkass}}: While Fordham at least shows gratitude and even respect occasionally towards John and others, Ross is disdainful towards ''everyone'' he runs into - not just John - and considers himself nobler and morally above pretty much the entire West by default. He constantly refers to the people he protects as savages, fools and scum that should be lucky to have his assistance, and is just in general very unlikable. He is even disrespectful to those working for him, like Fordham (who he is constantly putting down) and Nastas (who he refers to as a savage).
* JerkassHasAPoint: ''II'' reveals just how much death, destruction and damage the gang actually caused when they were active... ''especially'' to the law enforcement, U.S army, and Pinkerton detective agency. Even if he later changed his ways, John ''was'' completely willing to cause it back in the day. He's still a dick, but his treatment of John is completely understandable given his hatred of the gang.
* KarmaHoudiniWarranty: [[spoiler:He commands a platoon to kill John, the last member of Dutch's gang, and comes out of it unscathed and smoking a cigar. [[WrittenByTheWinners He's seen far and wide as a hero, and the man who took out Javier Escuella, Bill Williamson and Dutch as well, stealing all of John's merits.]] Jack makes sure to [[SubvertedTrope subvert the trope]] by finding Edgar and killing him in a duel [[BestServedCold three years later]]. The jury's still out on whether John gets VindicatedByHistory by the "Red Dead" book you can find in ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoV'', which was likely written by Jack.]]
* KickTheDog: He seems to ''love'' making snide, insensitive remarks about John's family. And one of the first things we see him do is rudely shove a little boy selling newspapers out of his way.
** [[spoiler: Three years after John is killed and Jack confronts him, Edgar ''laughs'' as he recalls killing Jack's father, and tells him to get lost before he kills him, too. [[AssholeVictim He doesn't get the chance to.]]]]
** There's the entire fact that he [[spoiler: has John murdered even after he gives him everything he wanted. This is really the point in the game when he stops seeming like an unlikable HeroAntagonist and just reveals himself to be a full blown villain]].
* KnightTemplar: He's aiming to bring law and order to the West and wipe out the gangs, by any means necessary.
* LaserGuidedKarma:
* LetsGetDangerous: In ''II'', Ross spends most of the game as Milton's mostly silent apprentice. [[spoiler: After Milton is
* MeanBoss: He usually treats his apprentice Fordham like crap.
* {{Metaphorgotten}}: Goes on a long, increasingly bizarre monologue about Dutch's anarchy at the beginning of the mission "And You Shall Know The Truth...". The central idea behind it seems to be that people who want civilization and order (or as he puts it, people who don't like flowers) should be able to have it without those who favor nature and chaos (people who do like flowers) interfering with it. When Marston demands he stop rambling, Ross drops the philosophizing and just reminds him he doesn't have a choice about helping or not.
* NotSoDifferent: [[spoiler: Between John, and himself, they really aren't. Neither of them can escape their past. John can't escape his past life of crime, while Ross can't his life as a government employee, constantly being pulled back in to work. They even die similarly: Someone of their past catches up to them and pumps them full of lead.]]
* MisplacedRetribution: Downplayed. He doesn't seem to be after the Van Der Linde gang for personal reasons, but [[spoiler:he doesn't seem to know that Abigail killed his former partner, likely assuming that Arthur did it.]]
*
* PetTheDog:
** [[spoiler:When you're hunting him down as Jack, you talk to his wife and brother... and what they say hints that he has sympathetic traits, and while his brother admits that he's got a
** Also, he has Nigel West Dickens pardoned after John tells him that West Dickens helped him capture Bill Williamson.
** He shows genuine concern for the safety of the innocent bank workers during Dutch's raid on Blackwater.
* PinkertonDetective: ''II'' shows that he was a Pinkerton before becoming a government agent and that he pursued the Van der Linde gang even back then.
* PoliticallyIncorrectVillain: Judging by his derogatory comments towards Native Americans.
* PragmaticVillainy: [[spoiler:This is presumably why the Van der Linde Gang members who avert DoomedByCanon by the end of II survive: Due to them being either not notable outlaws whose deaths wouldn't gain him renown (Pearson, Mary-Beth, etc.) or moving far from the US (Sadie, Charles) they're officially NotWorthKilling as far as he's concerned]].
* PunchClockVillain: Played with and ultimately subverted. He forces John to hunt down his old comrades and is a JerkAss when working alongside John, but he claims it's because someone needs to civilize the West. Once Dutch is dealt with, Ross then honors their agreement and returns John's family to their farm. [[spoiler: He then has the Army and
* TheUnfought: Like Sanchez,
* TheQuietOne: In ''Red Dead Redemption II'', he usually stays silent while his superior Milton does the talking. It's a sharp contrast from his frequent lectures and remarks in the first game, and makes his one notable line ("Enjoy your fishing, kid... while you still can") even more [[{{Futureshadowing}} noteworthy]]. [[spoiler: After Milton's death, Ross steps out of this and can be heard shouting orders during the Pinkertons' assault on Beaver Hollow.]]
* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: Fond of giving long, flowing speeches about how he and the law are right and just, and how everything Dutch stood for and every fiber of John's being is morally bankrupt - usually in response to John calling him out on using extortion and kidnapping to further his own ends. Ross - who cannot accept that John could possibly be a changed man - never
* RecklessGunUsage:
** He gives John the high-powered pistol by shoving it barrel-first into John's stomach. But then again, he's not too concerned about John's well-being.
** After taking John's gun to [[spoiler: put a bullet in Dutch's corpse so it'll "look better on the report"]], he gives it back by ''tossing it to him''.
* RedOniBlueOni: Cold, calculating Blue to Fordham's hot-headed, aggressive Red.
* ResignationsNotAccepted: [[spoiler:His wife tells Jack that while he tried to retire, the government keeps pulling him back in. Becomes ironic as that's exactly what he did to John.]]
* RetiredMonster: At the end of the game, [[spoiler: Jack finds out that Ross has retired to spend his twilight years with his family. Well, he's ''tried'' to retire, but the Bureau keeps dragging him back to work ([[NotSoDifferent Sound familiar?]]).]] Whether Ross is truly ''evil'' or not is debatable, but there's no denying that Ross did some truly underhanded things during his career, [[spoiler: and when Jack catches up with him, it's clear that he has zero regrets for what he did to John]].
* SmugSnake: Both he and Fordham are irritatingly condescending to Marston whenever they meet.
* TreacherousQuestGiver: [[spoiler:Considering he both controls the main plot and kills John at the end anyway.]]
* {{Troll}}: After John has fulfilled his end of the deal and asks about his family, Ross falsely tells him that Abigail was killed in a prison riot the previous week, just to mess around with him. He's lucky that John didn't shoot him right then and there, which he was ready to do before Ross revealed that he was "just joking".
* YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness: [[spoiler:After John completes his mission, Ross sends the army after
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!!Harold [=MacDougal=]
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A "researcher" of Native Americans, [=MacDougal=] is a perfect representation of science of his time.
!!Harold [=MacDougal=]
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->'''Voiced by:''' Joe Ochman
A "researcher" of Native Americans, [=MacDougal=] is a perfect representation of science of his time.
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!!Harold [=MacDougal=]
!!Archer Fordham
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* AbsentMindedProfessor: To quote Rick James - [[Series/ChappellesShow Cocaine is a hell of a drug]].
* AxCrazy: [[spoiler:Gets kicked out of Yale after beating a colleague over the head with a croquet mallet and climbing up to the roof completely naked, in what is described as a "savage" attack, likely after a bad trip.]]
* GenreBlind: In Undead Nightmare, he gets about two lines. The first is him stating that he doesn't have a clue of what's going on, and the second is one of the most GenreBlind lines ever said: "I'm just gonna wander down that lonely, deserted street, and get my bag." He even sounds unsure of himself saying it.
* InnocentBigot: Unlike Herbert Moon, who hates practically everybody, [=MacDougal=] is for the most part an UpperClassTwit who believes in [[CriticalResearchFailure crackpot theories and idiotic science]] and doesn't seem to really bear the natives any ill will. He also constantly espouses his WhiteMansBurden beliefs to Nastas, acting what he sees as friendly while denigrating him and natives in general as savages at the core in need of being civilized.
** When the player first meets him, he is apparently comparing blood samples under a microscope. He tells John that those of a Native American seems to be exactly alike in composition to that of a white man, but he seems to be rather pleasantly surprised by the revelation rather than insulted as would be expected by other racists.
** He also seems genuinely saddened by [[spoiler: Nastas' death, and even posts a paragraph in the Blackwater Ledger paying his respects]].
* TheLoad: Does nothing but make more trouble for you.
* ManHug: Gives one to John as he goes back to Yale.
* ScrewThisImOuttaHere: After nearly getting killed, he decides to leave Blackwater, decrying the Wild West as a complete CrapsackWorld and the people, savages and settlers alike, there as just savages who like to shoot each other.
* TheStoner: Almost always tweaked out on cocaine. The rest of the time he's on heroin.
* AxCrazy: [[spoiler:Gets kicked out of Yale after beating a colleague over the head with a croquet mallet and climbing up to the roof completely naked, in what is described as a "savage" attack, likely after a bad trip.]]
* GenreBlind: In Undead Nightmare, he gets about two lines. The first is him stating that he doesn't have a clue of what's going on, and the second is one of the most GenreBlind lines ever said: "I'm just gonna wander down that lonely, deserted street, and get my bag." He even sounds unsure of himself saying it.
* InnocentBigot: Unlike Herbert Moon, who hates practically everybody, [=MacDougal=] is for the most part an UpperClassTwit who believes in [[CriticalResearchFailure crackpot theories and idiotic science]] and doesn't seem to really bear the natives any ill will. He also constantly espouses his WhiteMansBurden beliefs to Nastas, acting what he sees as friendly while denigrating him and natives in general as savages at the core in need of being civilized.
** When the player first meets him, he is apparently comparing blood samples under a microscope. He tells John that those of a Native American seems to be exactly alike in composition to that of a white man, but he seems to be rather pleasantly surprised by the revelation rather than insulted as would be expected by other racists.
** He also seems genuinely saddened by [[spoiler: Nastas' death, and even posts a paragraph in the Blackwater Ledger paying his respects]].
* TheLoad: Does nothing but make more trouble for you.
* ManHug: Gives one to John as he goes back to Yale.
* ScrewThisImOuttaHere: After nearly getting killed, he decides to leave Blackwater, decrying the Wild West as a complete CrapsackWorld and the people, savages and settlers alike, there as just savages who like to shoot each other.
* TheStoner: Almost always tweaked out on cocaine. The rest of the time he's on heroin.
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* AbsentMindedProfessor: To quote Rick James - [[Series/ChappellesShow Cocaine is a hell of a drug]].
* AxCrazy: [[spoiler:Gets kicked out of Yale after beating a colleague overTheCameo: [[spoiler:He appears in the head with a croquet mallet and climbing up to the roof completely naked, in what is described as a "savage" attack, likely after a bad trip.credits sequence of ''II'' alongside Ross.]]
*GenreBlind: In Undead Nightmare, he gets about two lines. The CharacterDevelopment: He slowly warms up to Marston over the course of the Bureau missions. When he's first met he is just as rude to him stating that as Ross, but he seems to respect John after the Cochinay assault and he doesn't have a clue of what's going on, and the second is one of the most GenreBlind lines ever said: "I'm just gonna wander down that lonely, deserted street, and get my bag." He even sounds unsure of himself saying it.
* InnocentBigot: Unlike Herbert Moon, who hates practically everybody, [=MacDougal=] isparticipate in [[spoiler:the Beecher's Hope massacre; the reason for the most this is unclear, and many players believe he simply refused to take part an UpperClassTwit who believes in [[CriticalResearchFailure crackpot theories and idiotic science]] and doesn't seem to really bear the natives any ill will. He also constantly espouses his WhiteMansBurden beliefs to Nastas, acting what he sees John's death]]. ''II'' makes this even more apparent as friendly while denigrating Ross knows John's blood-covered history and treats him and natives in general as savages at the core in need of being civilized.
** When the player first meets him, he is apparently comparing blood samples under a microscope. He tells John that those of a Native American seems to be exactly alike in composition to that of a white man, but he seems to be rather pleasantly surprised by the revelation rather than insulted as would be expected by other racists.
** He also seems genuinely saddened by [[spoiler: Nastas' death, and even posts a paragraph in the Blackwater Ledger paying his respects]].
* TheLoad: Does nothing but make more trouble for you.
* ManHug: Gives one to John as he goes back to Yale.
* ScrewThisImOuttaHere: After nearly getting killed, he decides to leave Blackwater, decrying the Wild Westas a complete CrapsackWorld criminal because of it, Archer has only second-hand accounts of John's crimes and the people, savages gets to see John's devotion to his family and settlers alike, there as just savages who like to shoot each other.HiddenHeartOfGold instead.
*TheStoner: Almost always tweaked out on cocaine. The rest TheDragon: To Ross.
* FBIAgent: Another example of thetime early Bureau of Investigation.
* GoodIsNotNice: He's quite the {{Jerkass}}, but he's also dedicated to taking down Dutch's gang and bringing order and peace to the West.
* ItsPersonal: Retroactively. It's implied that his mother was a victim of the Blackwater massacre in 1899, which ''II'' establishes to have been caused by the Van Der Linde gang. His mother Maybelle is buried in the Blackwater cemetery after dying in 1900. There's NPC dialog stating "I hear that Bureau fella's never been the same since his mother got shot in the massacre." If so, that would perfectly explain his hatred for the gang. Even more telling is when he responded quite angrily to John when he believed he called Fordham a "son a whore".
* IWantThemAlive: Played with. He and Ross ask John to hunt down his former friends and bring them to the authorities to see them hang; it doesn't matter if they are brought in dead or alive, but Fordham appreciates it if the gang members are brought in alive. An example is that if John captures Javier and brings him in alive, Fordham thanks the former and says that the latter "needs to see how far the hand of justice can reach". If John kills Javier instead in a zig-zagged example, Fordham [[WhatTheHellHero calls him off onheroin.this]], but John responds to him that the authorities "should be glad to have [Javier] at all"; Fordham then tells him to "just remember your obligations to the government" before John tosses the corpse to the backseat of the car.
* {{Jerkass}}: He's not much nicer to John than Ross is, saying they should have had him killed and calling his wife a whore.
** JerkWithAHeartOfGold: That said, he does thank John if he gets Javier alive. And he even congratulates John after Dutch is taken care of. [[spoiler: He also doesn't seem to show up when Ross kills John, possibly due to the respect he gained for him.]]
** He also appears to actually show some respect and concern for Nastas; this is in contrast to Ross who calls him a savage and asks if he can even speak English.
** As well, John ''is'' a wanted outlaw who has murdered ''many'' people and been involved in plenty of criminal activity, so saying that they should have killed him instead of kidnapping his family and forcing him to do their dirty work isn't exactly the worst thing in the world, especially once you see how much destruction the gang caused in ''II''.
* LanternJawOfJustice: He's got one and is a lawman, and while he is the crooked Ross' lackey, he seems a little less underhanded than his superior.
* RedOniBlueOni: Hot-headed and aggressive Red to Ross' cold, calculating Blue.
* ServileSnarker: He makes a few jabs at Ross' expense, who at one point even tells Fordham not to get snarky with him.
* SmugSnake: Though not quite as much as Ross is.
* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: [[spoiler: It is debatable whether he appears in the final attack. If not, he is never seen or mentioned again after John kills Dutch.]]
* WhatTheHellHero: Calls John off on this for bringing in Javier's corpse to the authorities (if the player kills Javier), saying that he expected Javier to be "looking very... healthy".
* AxCrazy: [[spoiler:Gets kicked out of Yale after beating a colleague over
*
* InnocentBigot: Unlike Herbert Moon, who hates practically everybody, [=MacDougal=] is
** When the player first meets him, he is apparently comparing blood samples under a microscope. He tells John that those of a Native American seems to be exactly alike in composition to that of a white man, but he seems to be rather pleasantly surprised by the revelation rather than insulted as would be expected by other racists.
** He also seems genuinely saddened by [[spoiler: Nastas' death, and even posts a paragraph in the Blackwater Ledger paying his respects]].
* TheLoad: Does nothing but make more trouble for you.
* ManHug: Gives one to John as he goes back to Yale.
* ScrewThisImOuttaHere: After nearly getting killed, he decides to leave Blackwater, decrying the Wild West
*
* FBIAgent: Another example of the
* GoodIsNotNice: He's quite the {{Jerkass}}, but he's also dedicated to taking down Dutch's gang and bringing order and peace to the West.
* ItsPersonal: Retroactively. It's implied that his mother was a victim of the Blackwater massacre in 1899, which ''II'' establishes to have been caused by the Van Der Linde gang. His mother Maybelle is buried in the Blackwater cemetery after dying in 1900. There's NPC dialog stating "I hear that Bureau fella's never been the same since his mother got shot in the massacre." If so, that would perfectly explain his hatred for the gang. Even more telling is when he responded quite angrily to John when he believed he called Fordham a "son a whore".
* IWantThemAlive: Played with. He and Ross ask John to hunt down his former friends and bring them to the authorities to see them hang; it doesn't matter if they are brought in dead or alive, but Fordham appreciates it if the gang members are brought in alive. An example is that if John captures Javier and brings him in alive, Fordham thanks the former and says that the latter "needs to see how far the hand of justice can reach". If John kills Javier instead in a zig-zagged example, Fordham [[WhatTheHellHero calls him off on
* {{Jerkass}}: He's not much nicer to John than Ross is, saying they should have had him killed and calling his wife a whore.
** JerkWithAHeartOfGold: That said, he does thank John if he gets Javier alive. And he even congratulates John after Dutch is taken care of. [[spoiler: He also doesn't seem to show up when Ross kills John, possibly due to the respect he gained for him.]]
** He also appears to actually show some respect and concern for Nastas; this is in contrast to Ross who calls him a savage and asks if he can even speak English.
** As well, John ''is'' a wanted outlaw who has murdered ''many'' people and been involved in plenty of criminal activity, so saying that they should have killed him instead of kidnapping his family and forcing him to do their dirty work isn't exactly the worst thing in the world, especially once you see how much destruction the gang caused in ''II''.
* LanternJawOfJustice: He's got one and is a lawman, and while he is the crooked Ross' lackey, he seems a little less underhanded than his superior.
* RedOniBlueOni: Hot-headed and aggressive Red to Ross' cold, calculating Blue.
* ServileSnarker: He makes a few jabs at Ross' expense, who at one point even tells Fordham not to get snarky with him.
* SmugSnake: Though not quite as much as Ross is.
* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: [[spoiler: It is debatable whether he appears in the final attack. If not, he is never seen or mentioned again after John kills Dutch.]]
* WhatTheHellHero: Calls John off on this for bringing in Javier's corpse to the authorities (if the player kills Javier), saying that he expected Javier to be "looking very... healthy".
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!!Other Residents of West Elizabeth
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!!Nastas
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A local Indian who was hired by Edgar Ross to help John hunt Dutch down.
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!!Nastas
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!!Nate Johns
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A gubernatorial candidate campaigning in West
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!!Nastas
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* BlueBlood: Hails from an affluent southern family.
* BreadEggsMilkSquick: Aldous Worthington's accusations against Johns include "corruption and vote-rigging to extortion, kidnapping, and sexual depravity."
* CorruptHick: Southern BlueBlood who's looked down upon by locals like Mrs. Ditkiss for his family being "hillbilly trash" from the antebellum era.
* CorruptPolitician: Transparently so, not above outright buying votes and blackmailing rivals.
* TheGhost: Despite his importance to the game's background, he is never encountered. The closet we get is the stranger mission "American Lobbyist" in Blackwater, where John assists an operative of his.
* GreaterScopeVillain: To Edgar Ross' BigBad. While not personally involved in the mission that Ross sends John on, it's made clear that the local Bureau, under Ross' direction, is tacitly assisting the Johns campaign. As the law and order candidate, it's little surprise that [[GloryHound Ross]] hopes to use Johns' campaign promise in order to make himself look good. Were it not for Johns' campaign, it's conceivable that the events of the game would've played out quite differently.
* LaserGuidedKarma: [[spoiler:Johns' underhanded tactics are ultimately his downfall, and his multiple scandals ensure that his governorship is short-lived.]]
* ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney: His motus operandi. He's a scion of a wealthy southern family and just throws money at any problem.
* TheUnfought: Like Sanchez, John never goes after him, though Johns is merely corrupt and not part of Ross' [[spoiler:betrayal and murder of John. This saves him from Jack's wrath several years later.]]
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!!Harold [=MacDougal=]
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[[caption-width-right:300:''"The savage heart cannot be conventionally civilized! I was right all along!"'']]
->'''Voiced by:''' Joe Ochman
A "researcher" of Native Americans, [=MacDougal=] is a perfect representation of science of his time.
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* AbsentMindedProfessor: To quote Rick James - [[Series/ChappellesShow Cocaine is a hell of a drug]].
* AxCrazy: [[spoiler:Gets kicked out of Yale after beating a colleague over the head with a croquet mallet and climbing up to the roof completely naked, in what is described as a "savage" attack, likely after a bad trip.]]
* GenreBlind: In Undead Nightmare, he gets about two lines. The first is him stating that he doesn't have a clue of what's going on, and the second is one of the most GenreBlind lines ever said: "I'm just gonna wander down that lonely, deserted street, and get my bag." He even sounds unsure of himself saying it.
* InnocentBigot: Unlike Herbert Moon, who hates practically everybody, [=MacDougal=] is for the most part an UpperClassTwit who believes in [[CriticalResearchFailure crackpot theories and idiotic science]] and doesn't seem to really bear the natives any ill will. He also constantly espouses his WhiteMansBurden beliefs to Nastas, acting what he sees as friendly while denigrating him and natives in general as savages at the core in need of being civilized.
** When the player first meets him, he is apparently comparing blood samples under a microscope. He tells John that those of a Native American seems to be exactly alike in composition to that of a white man, but he seems to be rather pleasantly surprised by the revelation rather than insulted as would be expected by other racists.
** He also seems genuinely saddened by [[spoiler: Nastas' death, and even posts a paragraph in the Blackwater Ledger paying his respects]].
* TheLoad: Does nothing but make more trouble for you.
* ManHug: Gives one to John as he goes back to Yale.
* ScrewThisImOuttaHere: After nearly getting killed, he decides to leave Blackwater, decrying the Wild West as a complete CrapsackWorld and the people, savages and settlers alike, there as just savages who like to shoot each other.
* TheStoner: Almost always tweaked out on cocaine. The rest of the time he's on heroin.
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!!Other Residents of West Elizabeth
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!!Nastas
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[[caption-width-right:300:''"There is no respect for the land anymore."'']]
->'''Voiced by:''' Benjamin Byron Davis
A local Indian who was hired by Edgar Ross to help John hunt Dutch down.
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!!Nate Johns
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A gubernatorial candidate campaigning in West Elizabeth, and later the commonwealth's governor.
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* BlueBlood: Hails from an affluent southern family.
* BreadEggsMilkSquick: Aldous Worthington's accusations against Johns include "corruption and vote-rigging to extortion, kidnapping, and sexual depravity."
* CorruptHick: Southern BlueBlood who's looked down upon by locals like Mrs. Ditkiss for his family being "hillbilly trash" from the antebellum era.
* CorruptPolitician: Transparently so, not above outright buying votes and blackmailing rivals.
* TheGhost: Despite his importance to the game's background, he is never encountered. The closet we get is the stranger mission "American Lobbyist" in Blackwater, where John assists an operative of his.
* GreaterScopeVillain: To Edgar Ross' BigBad. While not personally involved in the mission that Ross sends John on, it's made clear that the local Bureau, under Ross' direction, is tacitly assisting the Johns campaign. As the law and order candidate, it's little surprise that [[GloryHound Ross]] hopes to use Johns' campaign promise in order to make himself look good. Were it not for Johns' campaign, it's conceivable that the events of the game would've played out quite differently.
* LaserGuidedKarma: [[spoiler:Johns' underhanded tactics are ultimately his downfall, and his multiple scandals ensure that his governorship is short-lived.]]
* ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney: His motus operandi. He's a scion of a wealthy southern family and just throws money at any problem.
* TheUnfought: Like Sanchez, John never goes after him, though Johns is merely corrupt and not part of Ross' [[spoiler:betrayal and murder of John. This saves him from Jack's wrath several years later.]]
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!!Harold [=MacDougal=]
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[[caption-width-right:300:''"The savage heart cannot be conventionally civilized! I was right all along!"'']]
->'''Voiced by:''' Joe Ochman
A "researcher" of Native Americans, [=MacDougal=] is a perfect representation of science of his time.
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* AbsentMindedProfessor: To quote Rick James - [[Series/ChappellesShow Cocaine is a hell of a drug]].
* AxCrazy: [[spoiler:Gets kicked out of Yale after beating a colleague over the head with a croquet mallet and climbing up to the roof completely naked, in what is described as a "savage" attack, likely after a bad trip.]]
* GenreBlind: In Undead Nightmare, he gets about two lines. The first is him stating that he doesn't have a clue of what's going on, and the second is one of the most GenreBlind lines ever said: "I'm just gonna wander down that lonely, deserted street, and get my bag." He even sounds unsure of himself saying it.
* InnocentBigot: Unlike Herbert Moon, who hates practically everybody, [=MacDougal=] is for the most part an UpperClassTwit who believes in [[CriticalResearchFailure crackpot theories and idiotic science]] and doesn't seem to really bear the natives any ill will. He also constantly espouses his WhiteMansBurden beliefs to Nastas, acting what he sees as friendly while denigrating him and natives in general as savages at the core in need of being civilized.
** When the player first meets him, he is apparently comparing blood samples under a microscope. He tells John that those of a Native American seems to be exactly alike in composition to that of a white man, but he seems to be rather pleasantly surprised by the revelation rather than insulted as would be expected by other racists.
** He also seems genuinely saddened by [[spoiler: Nastas' death, and even posts a paragraph in the Blackwater Ledger paying his respects]].
* TheLoad: Does nothing but make more trouble for you.
* ManHug: Gives one to John as he goes back to Yale.
* ScrewThisImOuttaHere: After nearly getting killed, he decides to leave Blackwater, decrying the Wild West as a complete CrapsackWorld and the people, savages and settlers alike, there as just savages who like to shoot each other.
* TheStoner: Almost always tweaked out on cocaine. The rest of the time he's on heroin.
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!!Other Residents of West Elizabeth
[[folder:Nastas]]
!!Nastas
[[quoteright:300:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/beb66288356e479f8b42501466d88771.jpg]]
[[caption-width-right:300:''"There is no respect for the land anymore."'']]
->'''Voiced by:''' Benjamin Byron Davis
A local Indian who was hired by Edgar Ross to help John hunt Dutch down.
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* BadassNative: Certainly no pushover when it comes to combat.
* NatureLover: In his words, "There is no respect for the land anymore." He's very concerned about the future of the forests, what with the West becoming more "civilized", and laments the overhunting of the buffalo. He'll even [[YouBastard call you a bastard]] if he sees you kill an animal during the mission "At Home With Dutch".
* NeverHeardThatOneBefore: His reaction to Prof. [=MacDougal=]'s [[YouNoTakeCandle attempt to communicate with him]] has a hint of this.
* NiceGuy: Easily one of the most decent and pleasant people John meets in the game.
* OnlySaneMan: Along with John. In fact, he's one of the most decent people he works with.
* WeHardlyKnewYe: [[spoiler:Sadly, he only appears in three missions, the last of which has him taking a bullet to the face.]] Then, in Undead Nightmare, [[spoiler:he's zombified before you even have a chance to meet him.]]
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!!Blackwater
[[folder:Johns]]
!!Nate Johns
->'''Portrayed By:''' N/A
A gubernatorial candidate campaigning in West Elizabeth, and later the commonwealth's governor.
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* BlueBlood: Hails from an affluent southern family.
* BreadEggsMilkSquick: Aldous Worthington's accusations against Johns include "corruption and vote-rigging to extortion, kidnapping, and sexual depravity."
* CorruptHick: Southern BlueBlood who's looked down upon by locals like Mrs. Ditkiss for his family being "hillbilly trash" from the antebellum era.
* CorruptPolitician: Transparently so, not above outright buying votes and blackmailing rivals.
* TheGhost: Despite his importance to the game's background, he is never encountered. The closet we get is the stranger mission "American Lobbyist" in Blackwater, where John assists an operative of his.
* GreaterScopeVillain: To Edgar Ross' BigBad. While not personally involved in the mission that Ross sends John on, it's made clear that the local Bureau, under Ross' direction, is tacitly assisting the Johns campaign. As the law and order candidate, it's little surprise that [[GloryHound Ross]] hopes to use Johns' campaign promise in order to make himself look good. Were it not for Johns' campaign, it's conceivable that the events of the game would've played out quite differently.
* LaserGuidedKarma: [[spoiler:Johns' underhanded tactics are ultimately his downfall, and his multiple scandals ensure that his governorship is short-lived.]]
* ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney: His motus operandi. He's a scion of a wealthy southern family and just throws money at any problem.
* TheUnfought: Like Sanchez, John never goes after him, though Johns is merely corrupt and not part of Ross' [[spoiler:betrayal and murder of John. This saves him from Jack's wrath several years later.]]
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[[folder:MacDougal]]
!!Harold [=MacDougal=]
[[quoteright:300:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/fc12d55bb64356a52e6fcce4c2421edb.jpg]]
[[caption-width-right:300:''"The savage heart cannot be conventionally civilized! I was right all along!"'']]
->'''Voiced by:''' Joe Ochman
A "researcher" of Native Americans, [=MacDougal=] is a perfect representation of science of his time.
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* AbsentMindedProfessor: To quote Rick James - [[Series/ChappellesShow Cocaine is a hell of a drug]].
* AxCrazy: [[spoiler:Gets kicked out of Yale after beating a colleague over the head with a croquet mallet and climbing up to the roof completely naked, in what is described as a "savage" attack, likely after a bad trip.]]
* GenreBlind: In Undead Nightmare, he gets about two lines. The first is him stating that he doesn't have a clue of what's going on, and the second is one of the most GenreBlind lines ever said: "I'm just gonna wander down that lonely, deserted street, and get my bag." He even sounds unsure of himself saying it.
* InnocentBigot: Unlike Herbert Moon, who hates practically everybody, [=MacDougal=] is for the most part an UpperClassTwit who believes in [[CriticalResearchFailure crackpot theories and idiotic science]] and doesn't seem to really bear the natives any ill will. He also constantly espouses his WhiteMansBurden beliefs to Nastas, acting what he sees as friendly while denigrating him and natives in general as savages at the core in need of being civilized.
** When the player first meets him, he is apparently comparing blood samples under a microscope. He tells John that those of a Native American seems to be exactly alike in composition to that of a white man, but he seems to be rather pleasantly surprised by the revelation rather than insulted as would be expected by other racists.
** He also seems genuinely saddened by [[spoiler: Nastas' death, and even posts a paragraph in the Blackwater Ledger paying his respects]].
* TheLoad: Does nothing but make more trouble for you.
* ManHug: Gives one to John as he goes back to Yale.
* ScrewThisImOuttaHere: After nearly getting killed, he decides to leave Blackwater, decrying the Wild West as a complete CrapsackWorld and the people, savages and settlers alike, there as just savages who like to shoot each other.
* TheStoner: Almost always tweaked out on cocaine. The rest of the time he's on heroin.
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!!Other Residents of West Elizabeth
[[folder:Nastas]]
!!Nastas
[[quoteright:300:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/beb66288356e479f8b42501466d88771.jpg]]
[[caption-width-right:300:''"There is no respect for the land anymore."'']]
->'''Voiced by:''' Benjamin Byron Davis
A local Indian who was hired by Edgar Ross to help John hunt Dutch down.
----
* BadassNative: Certainly no pushover when it comes to combat.
* NatureLover: In his words, "There is no respect for the land anymore." He's very concerned about the future of the forests, what with the West becoming more "civilized", and laments the overhunting of the buffalo. He'll even [[YouBastard call you a bastard]] if he sees you kill an animal during the mission "At Home With Dutch".
* NeverHeardThatOneBefore: His reaction to Prof. [=MacDougal=]'s [[YouNoTakeCandle attempt to communicate with him]] has a hint of this.
* NiceGuy: Easily one of the most decent and pleasant people John meets in the game.
* OnlySaneMan: Along with John. In fact, he's one of the most decent people he works with.
* WeHardlyKnewYe: [[spoiler:Sadly, he only appears in three missions, the last of which has him taking a bullet to the face.]] Then, in Undead Nightmare, [[spoiler:he's zombified before you even have a chance to meet him.]]
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