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* IHaveManyNames: Even stated by others when Death visits Shadow's Edge. They include "the Red Prince" and "the Red Wanderer".
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* IHaveManyNames: Even stated by others when Death visits Shadow's Edge. They include "the Red Blood Prince" and "the Red Wanderer".
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* CallBack: In the first game, he says to War that "Sometimes, the Hero dies in the end". In ''Darksiders II'', Samael states the same thing to Death [[spoiler:while fighting him]].
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* CallBack: In the first game, he says to War that "Sometimes, the Hero hero dies in the end". In ''Darksiders II'', Samael states the same thing to Death [[spoiler:while fighting him]].
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* IHaveManyNames: Even stated by others when Death visits Shadow's Edge.
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* IHaveManyNames: Even stated by others when Death visits Shadow's Edge. They include "the Red Prince" and "the Red Wanderer".
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* SignificantDoubleCasting: [[spoiler:The fact that Jones is voiced by Creator/PhilLamarr, who is Strife's voice actor, is a major foreshadowing about his true nature.]]
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* SignificantDoubleCasting: [[spoiler:The fact that Jones is voiced by Creator/PhilLamarr, Creator/PhilLamarr in ''III'', who is Strife's voice actor, is a major foreshadowing about his true nature.]]
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* SignificantDoubleCasting: [[spoiler:The fact that Jones is voiced by Creator/PhilLamarr, who is Strife's voice actor, is a major foreshadowing about his true nature.]]
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* HearingVoices: The souls of the crying nephilim are locked within his amulet, and they've driven him insane.
* KnowledgeBroker: Subverted. He has all of the secrets of the universe, knows everything that happens, but is willing to die rather than help Death if he doesn't free him of the amulet with the imprisoned souls of the nephilim within. [[spoiler:He's more personable and helpful after death, however. Being freed of the amulet helped.]]
* KnowledgeBroker: Subverted. He has all of the secrets of the universe, knows everything that happens, but is willing to die rather than help Death if he doesn't free him of the amulet with the imprisoned souls of the nephilim within. [[spoiler:He's more personable and helpful after death, however. Being freed of the amulet helped.]]
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* HearingVoices: The souls of the crying nephilim Nephilim are locked within his amulet, and they've driven him insane.
* KnowledgeBroker: Subverted. He has all of the secrets of the universe, knows everything that happens, but is willing to die rather than help Death if he doesn't free him of the amulet with the imprisoned souls of thenephilim Nephilim within. [[spoiler:He's more personable and helpful after death, however. Being freed of the amulet helped.]]
* KnowledgeBroker: Subverted. He has all of the secrets of the universe, knows everything that happens, but is willing to die rather than help Death if he doesn't free him of the amulet with the imprisoned souls of the
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* CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot: He plays this off against Death when they first meet, claiming that had he joined the nephilim in their conquest, War would be fine and there'd be no Corruption. However, the Crowfather mentions that Corruption was created as a ''result'' of the Nephilim's conquest and that said conquest would have destroyed all of Creation.
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* CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot: He plays this off against Death when they first meet, claiming that had he joined the nephilim Nephilim in their conquest, War would be fine and there'd be no Corruption. However, the Crowfather mentions that Corruption was created as a ''result'' of the Nephilim's conquest and that said conquest would have destroyed all of Creation.
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* TheDarkSideWillMakeYouForget: There are hints that while Absalom truly started his crusade with the best intentions, by the time countless dead worlds and races were behind the Nephilim and the attack on Eden he was more concerned with [[MightMakesRight proving the Nephilim's superiority and conquering for the sake of it]]. It's implied in ''The Abomination Vault'' that the reason they never stopped destroying worlds had something to do with the Abyss; the nephilim deliberately fed the Abyss entire worlds and gained power from it in exchange.
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* TheDarkSideWillMakeYouForget: There are hints that while Absalom truly started his crusade with the best intentions, by the time countless dead worlds and races were behind the Nephilim and the attack on Eden he was more concerned with [[MightMakesRight proving the Nephilim's superiority and conquering for the sake of it]]. It's implied in ''The Abomination Vault'' that the reason they never stopped destroying worlds had something to do with the Abyss; the nephilim Nephilim deliberately fed the Abyss entire worlds and gained power from it in exchange.
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* TheDarkSideWillMakeYouForget: There are hints that while Absalom truly started his crusade with the best intentions, by the time countless dead worlds and races were behind the Nephilim and the attack on Eden he was more concerned with [[MightMakesRight proving the Nephilim's superiority and conquering for the sake of it]].
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* TheDarkSideWillMakeYouForget: There are hints that while Absalom truly started his crusade with the best intentions, by the time countless dead worlds and races were behind the Nephilim and the attack on Eden he was more concerned with [[MightMakesRight proving the Nephilim's superiority and conquering for the sake of it]]. It's implied in ''The Abomination Vault'' that the reason they never stopped destroying worlds had something to do with the Abyss; the nephilim deliberately fed the Abyss entire worlds and gained power from it in exchange.
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* FlunkyBoss: [[spoiler: If you choose to kill him, the fight consists mostly of him summoning phantom skeletons, and taking a few swipes with his staff]].
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** In the first game, War learns that only one who can help him get into Black Tower to kill the Destroyer is Samael. However, to get him to do so, War learns he has to give him the hearts of the Chosen.
** In ''II'', Death tries to get the key [[spoiler:to the Well of Souls]] from Samael, only to find that the only way to convince him to give it up is to fight him.
** In ''II'', Death tries to get the key [[spoiler:to the Well of Souls]] from Samael, only to find that the only way to convince him to give it up is to fight him.
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** In the first game, War learns that the only one who can help him get into Black Tower to kill the Destroyer is Samael. However, to get him to do so, War learns he has to give him the hearts of the Chosen.
** In ''II'', Death tries to get the demon key [[spoiler:to the Well of Souls]] from Samael, only to find that the only way to convince him to give it up is to fight him.
** In ''II'', Death tries to get the demon key [[spoiler:to the Well of Souls]] from Samael, only to find that the only way to convince him to give it up is to fight him.
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* TricksterMentor: He "teaches" War (twice!) and Strife how to unlock their {{Super Mode}}s in the first game and ''Genesis'', respectively. He does it by talking and usually goading them into giving into their inner, repressed feelings. Stronger Horsemen would ensure their success and Horsemen's success benefits him, after all.
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* GodIsNeutral: It's stated in the opening scene of ''II'' that it was the Creator who appointed the Charred Council as protectors of the Balance.
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* GodIsNeutral: It's stated in the opening scene of ''II'' that it was the Creator who appointed the Charred Council as protectors of the Balance.Balance, meaning he doesn't seem to have a preference towards angels and demons, who represent good and evil respectively.
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* {{God}}: Heavily implied. Unusual for such a figure, even [[OurDemonsAreDifferent the denizens]] of [[{{Hell}} the Second Kingdom]] seem to revere him, considering he created them as well.
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* {{God}}: Heavily implied. Unusual for such a figure, even [[OurDemonsAreDifferent the denizens]] of [[{{Hell}} the Second Kingdom]] seem to revere him, considering he created them as well.well.
* GodIsNeutral: It's stated in the opening scene of ''II'' that it was the Creator who appointed the Charred Council as protectors of the Balance.
* GodIsNeutral: It's stated in the opening scene of ''II'' that it was the Creator who appointed the Charred Council as protectors of the Balance.
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* HiddenAgendaVillain: Samael regularly encounters the Horsemen and aids or hinders them as he sees fit, all in the pursuit of a mysterious agenda. He has repeatedly refused to work with Lucifer and Lilith in the past, has no interest in upsetting the BalanceOfPower or challenging the will of the Charred Council (at least openly) and has made no move to claim the throne of Hell for himself, even though he has accrued enough power and resources to challenge Lucifer for rulership.
** For whatever reason he opposed Lucifer and the Destroyer following the Apocalypse, and as punishment was imprisoned on Earth. He then offers to help War reach the [[EvilTowerOfOminousness Black Throne]] in exchange for the hearts of the Destroyer's Chosen, allowing Samael to [[spoiler:regain his full power]]. While he could easily kill War at this point, he instead elects to [[IGaveMyWord honor his deal]] and leave without issue, allegedly because [[EvenEvilHasStandards he respects War's desire for vengeance]]. Samael then cryptically states that [[WeWillMeetAgain they will meet again]] before parting ways.
** When Death [[spoiler:travels to the past]] in order to acquire the Demon Key from Samael, the Blood Prince has Death fight him for it after confirming that the Horseman's visit is unsanctioned and that no one knows he's there. While it is clear that Samael wasn't fighting Death at all seriously, he still [[spoiler:chooses to relinquish the Demon Key willingly]] after measuring Death's strength, and cryptically states that Death's coming fight with Absalom will be "quite the show" no matter the outcome before disappearing.
** For whatever reason he opposed Lucifer and the Destroyer following the Apocalypse, and as punishment was imprisoned on Earth. He then offers to help War reach the [[EvilTowerOfOminousness Black Throne]] in exchange for the hearts of the Destroyer's Chosen, allowing Samael to [[spoiler:regain his full power]]. While he could easily kill War at this point, he instead elects to [[IGaveMyWord honor his deal]] and leave without issue, allegedly because [[EvenEvilHasStandards he respects War's desire for vengeance]]. Samael then cryptically states that [[WeWillMeetAgain they will meet again]] before parting ways.
** When Death [[spoiler:travels to the past]] in order to acquire the Demon Key from Samael, the Blood Prince has Death fight him for it after confirming that the Horseman's visit is unsanctioned and that no one knows he's there. While it is clear that Samael wasn't fighting Death at all seriously, he still [[spoiler:chooses to relinquish the Demon Key willingly]] after measuring Death's strength, and cryptically states that Death's coming fight with Absalom will be "quite the show" no matter the outcome before disappearing.
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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: Where Dis is now as of the main series hasn't been revealed, considering she isn't seen around Vulgrim during those games.
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The "Keeper of Secrets", the Crowfather knows everything that happens in existence and guards this knowledge well. From his throne on the summit of a bone-chilling mountain peak in the Icy Veil, the Crowfather rules his realm alongside his many crow familiars (It is rumored that Dust was stolen from amongst their number by Death). While appearing sagely, the Crowfather lacks patience and humor, having been tormented endlessly by the crying souls of the Nephilim inhabiting the amulet around this neck. Though there is more to him regarding his complicated relationship towards Death...
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The "Keeper of Secrets", the Crowfather knows everything that happens in existence and guards this knowledge well. From his throne on the summit of a bone-chilling mountain peak in the Icy Veil, the Crowfather rules his realm alongside his many crow familiars (It (it is rumored that Dust was stolen from amongst their number by Death). While appearing sagely, the Crowfather lacks patience and humor, having been tormented endlessly by the crying souls of the Nephilim inhabiting the amulet around this neck. Though there is more to him regarding his complicated relationship towards Death...
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The "Keeper of Secrets", the Crowfather knows everything that happens in existence and guards this knowledge well. From his throne on the summit of a bone-chilling mountain peak in the Icy Veil, the Crowfather rules his realm alongside his many crow familiars (of which Dust is rumored to have been stolen from by Death). While appearing sagely, the Crowfather lacks patience and humor, having been tormented endlessly by the crying souls of the Nephilim inhabiting the amulet around this neck. Though there is more to him regarding his complicated relationship towards Death...
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The "Keeper of Secrets", the Crowfather knows everything that happens in existence and guards this knowledge well. From his throne on the summit of a bone-chilling mountain peak in the Icy Veil, the Crowfather rules his realm alongside his many crow familiars (of which Dust (It is rumored to have been that Dust was stolen from amongst their number by Death). While appearing sagely, the Crowfather lacks patience and humor, having been tormented endlessly by the crying souls of the Nephilim inhabiting the amulet around this neck. Though there is more to him regarding his complicated relationship towards Death...
