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-->'''Jaime to Catelyn:''' That was the White Bull, loyal to the end and a better man than me, all agree.

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-->'''Jaime to Catelyn:''' That was the White Bull, loyal to the end and [[DeadpanSnarker a better man than me, all agree.agree]].
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* BrokenPedestal: For Jaime to a degree, who looked up to Gerold, after the Lord Commander privately reprimanded Jaime for judging the Mad King's evil actions, and the realm considering him a good man for being loyal to the tyrannical Mad King, while reviling Jaime for killing a murderous lunatic like Aerys.

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* BrokenPedestal: For Jaime to a degree, Jaime, who looked up to Gerold, after the Lord Commander privately reprimanded Jaime for judging the Mad King's evil actions, and the realm considering him a good man for being loyal to the tyrannical Mad King, while reviling Jaime for killing a murderous lunatic like Aerys.Aerys. With Ned's memory of the Tower of Joy revealing Gerold would have fought at the Trident to keep Aerys on the Iron Throne if he could have, and that he considered Jaime a 'false brother who would burn in Seven Hells' if they had been present.
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* BrokenPedestal: For Jaime to a degree, who looked up to Gerold, after the Lord Commander privately reprimanded Jaime for judging the Mad King's evil actions, and the realm considering him a good man for being loyal to the tyrannical Mad King, while reviling Jaime for killing a murderous lunatic like Aerys.
-->'''Jaime to Catelyn:''' That was the White Bull, loyal to the end and a better man than me, all agree.
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* BeneathTheMask: As a Hightower, he has deep roots with the Faith of Seven, [[spoiler: so he was deeply disturbed at witnessing the mockery of a "Trial by Combat" [[note]]a fight to the death in the eyes and judgement of the Gods[[/note]] to Rickard and Brandon Stark and tries to rationalize it to Jaime Lannister for the sake of innocence, who actually is in [[ThinkHappyThoughts his own little world]] as he used to do whenever Aerys got extra nutty. The fact that during the Rebellion he eventually followed Rhaegar's orders instead of the king's (mind that the relationship between father and son was strained) seems to suggest that he was more [[{{Hypocrite}} critical of the king]] than he let Jaime know.]]

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* BeneathTheMask: As a Hightower, he has deep roots with the Faith of Seven, [[spoiler: so he was deeply disturbed at witnessing the mockery of a "Trial by Combat" [[note]]a fight to the death in the eyes and judgement of the Gods[[/note]] to Rickard and Brandon Stark and tries to rationalize it to Jaime Lannister for the sake of innocence, who actually is in [[ThinkHappyThoughts his own little world]] as he used to do whenever Aerys got extra nutty. The fact that during the Rebellion he eventually followed Rhaegar's orders instead of the king's (mind that the relationship between father and son was strained) seems to suggest that he was more [[{{Hypocrite}} he was more critical of the king]] than he let Jaime know.]]
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* BeneathTheMask: As a Hightower, he has deep roots with the Faith of Seven, [[spoiler: so he was deeply disturbed at witnessing the mockery of a "Trial by Combat" [[note]]a fight to the death in the eyes and judgement of the Gods[[/note]] to Rickard and Brandon Stark and tries to rationalize it to Jaime Lannister for the sake of innocence, who actually is in [[ThinkHappyThoughts his own little world]] as he used to do whenever Aerys got extra nutty. The fact that during the Rebellion he eventually followed Rhaegar's orders instead of the king's (mind that the relationship between father and son was strained) seems to suggest that he was more critical of the king than he let Jaime know.]]

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* BeneathTheMask: As a Hightower, he has deep roots with the Faith of Seven, [[spoiler: so he was deeply disturbed at witnessing the mockery of a "Trial by Combat" [[note]]a fight to the death in the eyes and judgement of the Gods[[/note]] to Rickard and Brandon Stark and tries to rationalize it to Jaime Lannister for the sake of innocence, who actually is in [[ThinkHappyThoughts his own little world]] as he used to do whenever Aerys got extra nutty. The fact that during the Rebellion he eventually followed Rhaegar's orders instead of the king's (mind that the relationship between father and son was strained) seems to suggest that he was more [[{{Hypocrite}} critical of the king king]] than he let Jaime know.]]
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* WorldsBestWarrior: Though it is outright stated that there is no such thing as an unbeatable warriorand with that being said, everyone thinks of Arthur as the greatest fighter of his genarationand better than themselves, even other tremendously skilled swordsmen like Jaime Lanniser or Barristan Selmy. [[WordOfGod Martin]] himself outright stated that when armed with [[ThunderboltIron Dawn]] he would defeat ser Barristan Selmy, another major contender for the title.

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* WorldsBestWarrior: Though it is outright stated that there is no such thing as an unbeatable warriorand warrior, with that being said, everyone thinks of Arthur as the greatest fighter of his genarationand generation and better than themselves, even other tremendously skilled swordsmen like Ser Jaime Lanniser Lannister or Ser Barristan Selmy. [[WordOfGod Martin]] himself outright stated that when armed with [[ThunderboltIron Dawn]] he would defeat ser Ser Barristan Selmy, another major contender for the title.
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* WorldsBestWarrior: Though it is outright stated that there is no such thing as an unbeatable warriorand with that being said, everyone thinks of Arthur as the greatest fighter of his genarationand better than themselves, even other tremendously skilled swordsmen like Jaime Lanniser or Barristan Selmy. [[WordOfGod Martin]] himself outright stated that when armed with [[ThunderboltIron Dawn]] he would defeat barristan Selmy, another legendary knight.

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* WorldsBestWarrior: Though it is outright stated that there is no such thing as an unbeatable warriorand with that being said, everyone thinks of Arthur as the greatest fighter of his genarationand better than themselves, even other tremendously skilled swordsmen like Jaime Lanniser or Barristan Selmy. [[WordOfGod Martin]] himself outright stated that when armed with [[ThunderboltIron Dawn]] he would defeat barristan ser Barristan Selmy, another legendary knight.major contender for the title.

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* AlwaysSomeoneBetter: Ser Barristan Selmy seems to view Arthur Dayne as such; though according to George RR Martin they were equally skilled, Dayne was just more beloved by the smallfolk and more trusted by Rhaegar Targaryen.

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* AlwaysSomeoneBetter: Ser Barristan Selmy seems to view Arthur Dayne as such; though according to George RR Martin they were equally skilled, close in fighting skills in their respective primes, Dayne was just more beloved by the smallfolk and more trusted by Rhaegar Targaryen.



* MasterSwordsman: Outright admired as such by Jaime Lannister and recorded as exceptional.

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* MasterSwordsman: Outright admired as such by Jaime Lannister and recorded as exceptional. When armed with his [[CoolSword heirloom greatsword]], it is heavily implied that he may be ''the'' greatest swordsman in the series.


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* WorldsBestWarrior: Though it is outright stated that there is no such thing as an unbeatable warriorand with that being said, everyone thinks of Arthur as the greatest fighter of his genarationand better than themselves, even other tremendously skilled swordsmen like Jaime Lanniser or Barristan Selmy. [[WordOfGod Martin]] himself outright stated that when armed with [[ThunderboltIron Dawn]] he would defeat barristan Selmy, another legendary knight.
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* TangledFamilyTree: He was related to Catelyn Tully through her mother, Minisa Whent; Minisa's familial relation to Ser Oswell and the rest of the Whents has not been established in the books.

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* TangledFamilyTree: EveryoneIsRelated: He was related to Catelyn Tully through her mother, Minisa Whent; Minisa's familial relation to Ser Oswell and Whent, seemingly being a cousin or uncle. Also by the rest time of the Whents has not been established in the books.Robert's Rebellion Catelyn was sister-in-law to Lyanna Stark herself. Being Westerosi nobility does that to your family tree.
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* OOCIsSeriousBusiness: As stated above, it's still count of [[EpilepticTrees speculation]] why the Lord Commander of the King's guard stayed in a seemingly unimportant location guarding Lyanna Stark (when already two of his underling were doing just that), instead of being a chief leader of the Targaryen forces like it was his job to do. Whatever it was, it must have been a damn important deal.
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* KnightInShiningArmor: Jaime Lannister is the only one ''not'' remembered as being this.

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* KnightInShiningArmor: Jaime Lannister is the only one ''not'' remembered as being this. Though ironically he was probably the closest to it.

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* BadassBaritone: One of the finest knights of his time and said to possess a booming voice.



* CoolHelmet: Some art depicts him wearing a helm in the shape of a white bull's head
* GoodIsNotNice: [[spoiler: Jaime remarks upon his disbelief when Hightower, one of his mentors and idols, reprimanded him for privately questioning his oaths after watching Aerys brutally murder Rickard and Brandon Stark, and how absurd it is that he is still seen as a hero while Jaime is hated for killing the Mad King.]]



* CoolHelmet: Some art depicts him wearing a helm in the shape of a white bull's head.
* GoodIsNotNice: [[spoiler: Jaime remarks upon his disbelief when Hightower, one of his mentors and idols, reprimanded him for privately questioning his oaths after watching Aerys brutally murder Rickard and Brandon Stark, and how absurd it is that he is still seen as a hero while Jaime is hated for killing the Mad King.]]

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* CoolHelmet: Some art depicts him wearing a helm ImpaledPalm: He got shot in the shape hand by Ulmer of a white bull's head.
* GoodIsNotNice: [[spoiler: Jaime remarks upon his disbelief when Hightower, one of his mentors and idols, reprimanded him for privately questioning his oaths after watching Aerys brutally murder Rickard and Brandon Stark, and how absurd it is that he is still seen as a hero while Jaime is hated for killing
the Mad King.]]Kingswood Brotherhood



* OldSoldier: By the time of Robert's Rebellion, Ser Gerold had served as Lord Commander for almost 25 years, having succeeded Duncan the Tall after the Tragedy at Summerhall.



* UndyingLoyalty: To the King and to Prince Rhaegar, along with Arthur Dayne. He was one of his companions Rhaegar left King's Landing to kidnap Lyanna Stark, and was allegedly involved in organizing the Tourney of Harrenhall at Rhaegar's instructions.

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* UndyingLoyalty: To the King and to Prince Rhaegar, along with Arthur Dayne. He was one of his companions Rhaegar left King's Landing to kidnap Lyanna Stark, and was allegedly involved in organizing the Tourney of Harrenhall Harrenhal at Rhaegar's instructions.



* AnimalMotifs: House Grandison's sigil is a sleeping lion. He dies in his sleep (and is replaced by a Lannister)

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* AnimalMotifs: House Grandison's sigil is a sleeping lion. He dies in his sleep (and is replaced by a Lannister)Lannister).

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!!Ser Arthur Dayne
!!!The Sword of the Morning

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!!Ser Arthur Dayne
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Lord Edric Dayne's uncle and one of the most famed knights in recent Westerosi history, Arthur Dayne was a member of the Kingsguard at the time of Robert's Rebellion. He was slain by Eddard Stark at the Tower of Joy.

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Lord Edric Dayne's uncle and one brother of Ashara Dayne. One of the most famed knights in recent Westerosi history, Arthur Dayne was a member of the Kingsguard at the time of Robert's Rebellion. He was slain by Eddard Stark at the Tower of Joy.
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* GoodIsNotNice: [[spoiler:Jaime remembers guarding the king and queen's bedroom with Ser Jonothor as they listened to Aerys raping his wife. When Jaime asked if they were supposed to protect her too, Darry replied, "We are, but not from him."]]

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* GoodIsNotNice: [[spoiler:Jaime remembers guarding the king and queen's bedroom with Ser Jonothor as they listened to Aerys raping his wife. When Jaime asked if pointed out they were supposed to protect her too, Darry replied, "We are, but not from him."]]
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* IChooseToStay: King Aerys tasked him to find Prince Rhaegar and bring him to King's Landing. He succeeded in finding him, but instead of coming back to the Red Keep with the Prince, he followed Rhaegar's order to stay guarding Lyanna Stark along with Arthur Dayne and Oswell Whent, which is strange as the Lord Commander is a even more important figure than usual in wartime. Why did he thought Rhaegar's order had the priority instead of the king's is yet to be found out.

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* IChooseToStay: King Aerys tasked him to find Prince Rhaegar and bring him to King's Landing. He succeeded in finding him, but instead of coming back to the Red Keep with the Prince, he followed Rhaegar's order to stay guarding Lyanna Stark along with Arthur Dayne and Oswell Whent, which is strange as the Lord Commander is a even more important figure than usual in wartime. Why did he thought Rhaegar's order had the priority instead of the king's is yet to be found out.
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* BecameTheirOwnAntithesis: No one was more chivalrous and knightly than Arthur, and he was loyal to Rhaegar to a fault, but that loyalty led the Knight to hold a damsel in distress hostage and attack the brave heroes come to rescue her. Somewhere along the line, Ser Arthur Dayne became the very kind of person knights are supposed to fight against.

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* BecameTheirOwnAntithesis: No one was more chivalrous and knightly than Arthur, and he was loyal to Rhaegar to a fault, but that loyalty led the Knight to hold a damsel in distress hostage and attack the brave heroes come to rescue her. Somewhere along the line, Ser Arthur Dayne became the very kind of person knights are supposed to fight against. [[spoiler: Of course, this raises the question of whether or not Lyanna was actually a hostage and if, as the theory runs, she's Jon Snow's mother - in which case, he's defending his Lord's pregnant lady love against highly placed men in a rebellion against said Lord, who might not react so well to a potential heir to the dynasty they just overthrew.]]
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* TheOathbreaker: Prince Lewyn's paramour was a "secret" kept by his fellow Kingsguard, though how well-kept is strongly debatable. Although, if you go into technicalities, he didn't actually take her to wife, so... we're basically talking the exact same get-out clause that the Black Watch use to nip off to Mole Town with, except this time used for Dornish cultural reasons.

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* TheOathbreaker: Prince Lewyn's paramour was a "secret" kept by his fellow Kingsguard, though how well-kept is strongly debatable. Although, if you go into technicalities, he didn't actually take her to wife, so... we're basically talking the exact same get-out clause that the Black Night's Watch use to nip off to Mole Town with, except this time used for Dornish cultural reasons.
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* TokenEvilTeammate: Granted, he's an angel compared to some historical kingsguard, but he's the only one of Aerys' Kingsguard who never made a HeelFaceTurn from a villainous king (as Barristan and Jaime did), defected from Aerys to Rhaegar (as Whent, Dayne, and Hightower did), or was coerced into fighting for Aerys through a hostage (as Lewyn Martell was). His sole moment of note is defending Aerys' MaritalRapeLicense.

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* TokenEvilTeammate: Granted, he's an angel compared to some historical kingsguard, but he's the only one of Aerys' Kingsguard who never made a HeelFaceTurn from a villainous king (as Barristan and Jaime did), defected from Aerys to Rhaegar (as Whent, Dayne, and Hightower did), or was coerced into fighting for Aerys through a hostage (as Lewyn Martell was). His sole moment of note is defending Aerys' MaritalRapeLicense. Given the timeline of these events, this also means he was the only Kingsguard apart from Jaime who knew about the wildfire plot, and yet did nothing to stop it.
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* BlindObedience: To

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* BlindObedience: To Aerys.
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* TokenEvilTeammate: Granted, he's an angel compared to some historical kingsguard, but he's the only one of Aerys' Kingsguard who never made a HeelFaceTurn from a villainous king (as Barristan and Jaime did), defected from Aerys to Rhaegar (as Whent, Dayne, and Hightower did), or was coerced into fighting for Aerys through a hostage (as Lewyn Martell was). His sole moment of note is defending Aerys' MaritalRapeLicense.
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* PetTheDog: When Aerys, out of spite, ordered Jaime back to King's Landing after his investiture into the Kingsguard at Harrenhal to protect Queen Rhaella and Prince Viserys, Gerold offered to take that duty so that Jaime might compete in the tourney, but Aerys refused to hear of it.
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-->'''Ser Arthur Dayne:''' [[PreAssKickingOneLiner And now it begins]]. ''(draws his sword)''

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-->'''Ser Arthur Dayne:''' [[PreAssKickingOneLiner And now it begins]]. ''(draws his sword)''sword)''\\
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-->'''Ser Arthur Dayne:''' [[PreAssKickingOneLiner And now it begins]].
-->'''Eddard Stark:''' No... now it ends.

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-->'''Ser Arthur Dayne:''' [[PreAssKickingOneLiner And now it begins]].
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'''Eddard
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* TheOathbreaker: Prince Lewyn's paramour was a secret kept by his fellow Kingsguard, though how well-kept is strongly debatable. Although, if you go into technicalities, he didn't take her to wife, so... we're basically talking the same get-out clause the Black Watch use to nip off to Mole Town used for cultural reasons.

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* TheOathbreaker: Prince Lewyn's paramour was a secret "secret" kept by his fellow Kingsguard, though how well-kept is strongly debatable. Although, if you go into technicalities, he didn't actually take her to wife, so... we're basically talking the exact same get-out clause that the Black Watch use to nip off to Mole Town with, except this time used for Dornish cultural reasons.
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* AlwaysSomeoneBetter: Ser Barristan Selmy seems to view Arthur Dayne as such; though according to George RR Martin they were equally skilled, Dayne was more beloved by the smallfolk and more trusted by Rhaegar Targaryen.

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* AlwaysSomeoneBetter: Ser Barristan Selmy seems to view Arthur Dayne as such; though according to George RR Martin they were equally skilled, Dayne was just more beloved by the smallfolk and more trusted by Rhaegar Targaryen.
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* BadassGrandpa: At the time of his death, though, [[OlderThanTheyLook he apparently didn't look it]].
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It's not yet confirmed in the books if lyanna went willingly or not...and in either case, Lyanna would not have wanted her brother dead, her "dearest Ned"...and he was willing to kill him and his friends when they came to rescue her...


* BecameTheirOwnAntithesis: Or so most would believe. No one was more chivalrous and knightly than Arthur, and he was loyal to Rhaegar to a fault, but that loyalty led the Knight to hold a damsel in distress hostage and attack the brave heroes come to rescue her. Somewhere along the line, Ser Arthur Dayne became the very kind of person knights are supposed to fight against. Of course, the pertinent question here is [[spoiler: was Lyanna a DamselInDistress, or did she go willingly?]]

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* BecameTheirOwnAntithesis: Or so most would believe. No one was more chivalrous and knightly than Arthur, and he was loyal to Rhaegar to a fault, but that loyalty led the Knight to hold a damsel in distress hostage and attack the brave heroes come to rescue her. Somewhere along the line, Ser Arthur Dayne became the very kind of person knights are supposed to fight against. Of course, the pertinent question here is [[spoiler: was Lyanna a DamselInDistress, or did she go willingly?]]
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* BecameTheirOwnAntithesis: No one was more chivalrous and knightly than Arthur, and he was loyal to Rhaegar to a fault, but that loyalty led the Knight to hold a damsel in distress hostage and attack the brave heroes come to rescue her. Somewhere along the line, Ser Arthur Dayne became the very kind of person knights are supposed to fight against.

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* BecameTheirOwnAntithesis: Or so most would believe. No one was more chivalrous and knightly than Arthur, and he was loyal to Rhaegar to a fault, but that loyalty led the Knight to hold a damsel in distress hostage and attack the brave heroes come to rescue her. Somewhere along the line, Ser Arthur Dayne became the very kind of person knights are supposed to fight against. Of course, the pertinent question here is [[spoiler: was Lyanna a DamselInDistress, or did she go willingly?]]



* DuelToTheDeath: Had a famous one with the Smiling Knight which riveted young Jaime Lannister. He also engaged in an epic duel with Ned Stark that the latter barely survived.

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* DuelToTheDeath: Had a famous one with the Smiling Knight which riveted young Jaime Lannister. He also engaged in an epic duel with Ned Stark that the latter barely survived. survived, and only thanks to the intervention of Howland Reed.



* KnightInShiningArmour: Rivaled only by Aemon the Dragonknight, for best example in the series.

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* KnightInShiningArmour: Rivaled Rivalled only by Aemon the Dragonknight, for best example in the series.
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* AlwaysSomeoneBetter: Ser Barristan Selmy seems to view Arthur Dayne as such, though according to George RR Martin they were equally skilled, more beloved by the smallfolk and more trusted by Rhaegar Targaryen.

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* AlwaysSomeoneBetter: Ser Barristan Selmy seems to view Arthur Dayne as such, such; though according to George RR Martin they were equally skilled, Dayne was more beloved by the smallfolk and more trusted by Rhaegar Targaryen.
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Fixing a minor typo


* TheUnreveal: Of the three Kingsguars, he's the one with the most ambiguous reasons to have been guarding Lyanna Stark instead of fighting or protecting the king. While the other two traveled with Rhaegar and Lyanna since the beginning, Ser Gerold was instead tasked by King Aerys to find Rhaegar, which he did; but rather than bringing Rhaegar to King's Landing with him, [[IChooseToStay he stayed at the Tower of Joy]]. It's yet to be explained why guarding that tower was more important than coming back to the court and playing a more active role in the royal forces as the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard is expected.

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* TheUnreveal: Of the three Kingsguars, Kingsguard, he's the one with the most ambiguous reasons to have been guarding Lyanna Stark instead of fighting or protecting the king. While the other two traveled with Rhaegar and Lyanna since the beginning, Ser Gerold was instead tasked by King Aerys to find Rhaegar, which he did; but rather than bringing Rhaegar to King's Landing with him, [[IChooseToStay he stayed at the Tower of Joy]]. It's yet to be explained why guarding that tower was more important than coming back to the court and playing a more active role in the royal forces as the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard is expected.

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