History CharacterDerailment / Film

1st Jun '18 3:01:38 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* Jim Phelps in the first ''Film/MissionImpossible''. Fans of the TV series were not happy when he turned out to be a traitor who sold out his own team leading to almost all of their deaths. Peter Graves even refused to reprise his role because he felt that it completely betrayed Phelps' character.
27th May '18 11:33:09 PM LB7979
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%% Do not add Luke Skywalker from The Last Jedi without approval or [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Main.CharacterDerailment#latest discussing here]]



* ''Disney/PocahontasIIJourneyToANewWorld'' derails many characters as well. Pocahontas herself became cold and distant, John Smith was changed into a wise-cracking self-absorbed JerkAss, Meeko fell victim to AesopAmnesia (especially in regards to his friendship with Percy) and Radcliffe's evilness went UpToEleven.

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* ''Disney/PocahontasIIJourneyToANewWorld'' derails many characters as well. Pocahontas herself became cold and distant, John Smith was changed into a wise-cracking self-absorbed JerkAss, Meeko fell victim to AesopAmnesia (especially in regards to his friendship with Percy) and Radcliffe's Ratcliffe's evilness went UpToEleven.



** It should be noted that the original book ''Literature/MrsFrisbyAndTheRatsOfNIMH'' did actually reveal Brutus to be a pleasant guy just playing the shadowy guard act to scare away intruders. Similar to the Aunt Shrew example, it is more the fault of both films for not elaborating on this enough.

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** It should be noted that the The original book ''Literature/MrsFrisbyAndTheRatsOfNIMH'' did actually reveal Brutus to be a pleasant guy just playing the shadowy guard act to scare away intruders. Similar to the Aunt Shrew example, it is more the fault of both films for not elaborating on this enough.



* We all know Michael Myers, right? Iconic soulless killing machine who can't be intimidated, bargained with, reasoned with, or stopped, and who's only explicit motive was to ''kill'' his family? Enter the director's cut of "The Curse of Michael Myers where he rapes and impregnates his niece on someone else's orders.

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* We all know ''Film/HalloweenTheCurseOfMichaelMyers'': Michael Myers, right? Iconic Myers was known as an iconic soulless killing machine who can't be intimidated, bargained with, reasoned with, or stopped, and who's whose only explicit motive was to ''kill'' his family? Enter family. In the director's cut of "The Curse of Michael Myers where this movie, he rapes and impregnates his niece on someone else's orders.



** This didn't go entirely unnoticed in the second film, however; he mentioned that the reason he lost his career and went drunk was because he lost his ship and got his entire crew killed in a hurricane he only got caught in because of the MercyLead from the first film. SurvivorsGuilt was heavily implied.



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19th Apr '18 12:51:10 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* ''[[Film/TheLastJedi Star Wars: The Last Jedi]]'' received [[BrokenBase an awful lot of flak from certain fans]] for its portrayal of Luke Skywalker. When we saw him in his last appearance in ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'', he was an idealistic and hopeful Jedi Knight who refused to kill [[TheDragon his father]] on the chance that there was still good in him, loved his sister Leia and best friend Han Solo, and [[TheHero was never afraid to battle the evils of the Empire.]] However, by the time Rey comes to his island to recruit him, we find he's become [[BrokenAce a bitter old man]] [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids who believes the teachings of the Jedi are toxic and need to go extinct,]] who abandoned Leia and Han to hide out on Ahch-To while the First Order ravaged the galaxy and now refuses to leave, arguing in a deleted scene that trying to stop them might only make things worse, and who in the glory days of the New Republic was apparently willing to [[spoiler:seriously consider killing his nephew in his sleep for having dark side tendencies.]] [[https://www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-have-disney-strike-star-wars-episode-viii-from-the-official-canon/c?source_location=petition_show Some fans reacted poorly to these changes,]] while others argued [[http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/how-the-last-jedi-got-luke-skywalker-right it was perfectly natural character progression, considering how much of Luke's victory over the Empire]] [[HappyEndingOverride had been overridden by the time of the Sequel Trilogy.]] [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement And that's all we have to say about that.]]

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* ''[[Film/TheLastJedi Star Wars: %% Do not add Luke Skywalker from The Last Jedi]]'' received [[BrokenBase an awful lot of flak from certain fans]] for its portrayal of Luke Skywalker. When we saw him in his last appearance in ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'', he was an idealistic and hopeful Jedi Knight who refused to kill [[TheDragon his father]] on the chance that there was still good in him, loved his sister Leia and best friend Han Solo, and [[TheHero was never afraid to battle the evils of the Empire.]] However, by the time Rey comes to his island to recruit him, we find he's become [[BrokenAce a bitter old man]] [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids who believes the teachings of the Jedi are toxic and need to go extinct,]] who abandoned Leia and Han to hide out on Ahch-To while the First Order ravaged the galaxy and now refuses to leave, arguing in a deleted scene that trying to stop them might only make things worse, and who in the glory days of the New Republic was apparently willing to [[spoiler:seriously consider killing his nephew in his sleep for having dark side tendencies.]] [[https://www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-have-disney-strike-star-wars-episode-viii-from-the-official-canon/c?source_location=petition_show Some fans reacted poorly to these changes,]] while others argued [[http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/how-the-last-jedi-got-luke-skywalker-right it was perfectly natural character progression, considering how much of Luke's victory over the Empire]] [[HappyEndingOverride had been overridden by the time of the Sequel Trilogy.]] [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement And that's all we have to say about that.]]without approval or [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Main.CharacterDerailment#latest discussing here]]
1st Apr '18 8:10:54 AM Pichu-kun
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* Belle puts up with the Beast's temper tantrums and becoming his cheerful "life coach" in ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeastTheEnchantedChristmas''. She's worse in ''Belle's Magical World''.

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* Belle puts up with the Beast's temper tantrums and becoming his cheerful "life coach" in ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeastTheEnchantedChristmas''. She's worse in ''Belle's Magical World''.''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeastBellesMagicalWorld''.
1st Apr '18 7:50:13 AM WWRU
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* ''[[Film/TheLastJedi Star Wars: The Last Jedi]]'' received [[BrokenBase an awful lot of flak from certain fans]] for its portrayal of Luke Skywalker. When we saw him in his last appearance in ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'', he was an idealistic and hopeful Jedi Knight who refused to kill [[TheDragon his father]] on the chance that there was still good in him, loved his sister Leia and best friend Han Solo, and [[TheHero was never afraid to battle the evils of the Empire.]] However, by the time Rey comes to his island to recruit him, we find he's become [[BrokenAce a bitter old man]] [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids who believes the teachings of the Jedi are toxic and need to go extinct,]] who's been hiding out on Ahch-To while the First Order ravages the galaxy and now refuses to leave, arguing in a deleted scene that trying to stop them might only make things worse, and who in the glory days of the New Republic was apparently willing to [[spoiler:seriously consider killing his nephew in his sleep for having dark side tendencies.]] [[https://www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-have-disney-strike-star-wars-episode-viii-from-the-official-canon/c?source_location=petition_show Some fans reacted poorly to these changes,]] while others argued [[http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/how-the-last-jedi-got-luke-skywalker-right it was perfectly natural character progression, considering how much of Luke's victory over the Empire]] [[HappyEndingOverride had been overridden by the time of the Sequel Trilogy.]] [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement And that's all we have to say about that.]]

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* ''[[Film/TheLastJedi Star Wars: The Last Jedi]]'' received [[BrokenBase an awful lot of flak from certain fans]] for its portrayal of Luke Skywalker. When we saw him in his last appearance in ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'', he was an idealistic and hopeful Jedi Knight who refused to kill [[TheDragon his father]] on the chance that there was still good in him, loved his sister Leia and best friend Han Solo, and [[TheHero was never afraid to battle the evils of the Empire.]] However, by the time Rey comes to his island to recruit him, we find he's become [[BrokenAce a bitter old man]] [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids who believes the teachings of the Jedi are toxic and need to go extinct,]] who's been hiding extinct,]] who abandoned Leia and Han to hide out on Ahch-To while the First Order ravages ravaged the galaxy and now refuses to leave, arguing in a deleted scene that trying to stop them might only make things worse, and who in the glory days of the New Republic was apparently willing to [[spoiler:seriously consider killing his nephew in his sleep for having dark side tendencies.]] [[https://www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-have-disney-strike-star-wars-episode-viii-from-the-official-canon/c?source_location=petition_show Some fans reacted poorly to these changes,]] while others argued [[http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/how-the-last-jedi-got-luke-skywalker-right it was perfectly natural character progression, considering how much of Luke's victory over the Empire]] [[HappyEndingOverride had been overridden by the time of the Sequel Trilogy.]] [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement And that's all we have to say about that.]]
1st Apr '18 7:47:11 AM WWRU
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* ''[[Film/TheLastJedi Star Wars: The Last Jedi]]'' received [[BrokenBase an awful lot of flak from certain fans]] for its portrayal of Luke Skywalker. When we saw him in his last appearance in ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'', he was an idealistic and hopeful Jedi Knight who refused to kill [[TheDragon his father]] on the chance that there was still good in him, loved his sister Leia and best friend Han Solo, and [[TheHero was never afraid to battle the evils of the Empire.]] However, by the time Rey comes to his island to recruit him, we find he's become [[BrokenAce a bitter old man]] [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids who believes the teachings of the Jedi are toxic and need to go extinct,]] who's been hiding out on Ahch-To while the First Order ravages the galaxy and now refuses to leave, arguing in a deleted scene that trying to stop them might only make things worse, and who in the glory days of the New Republic was apparently willing to [[spoiler:seriously consider killing his nephew in his sleep for having dark side tendencies.]] [[https://www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-have-disney-strike-star-wars-episode-viii-from-the-official-canon/c?source_location=petition_show Some fans reacted poorly to these changes,]] while others argued [[http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/how-the-last-jedi-got-luke-skywalker-right it was perfectly natural character progression, considering how much of Luke's victory over the Empire]] [[HappyEndingOverride had been overridden by the time of the Sequel Trilogy.]] [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement And that's all we have to say about that.]]
21st Jan '18 4:06:44 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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21st Jan '18 4:05:53 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* ''Disney/PocahontasIIJourneyToANewWorld'' derails many characters as well. Pocahontas herself became cold and distant, John Smith was changed into a wise-cracking self-absorbed JerkAss, Meeko fell victim to AesopAmnesia (especially in regards to his friendship with Percy) and Radcliffe became a KarmaHoudini whose evilness went UpToEleven.
* Due to {{Sequelitis}}, Belle from ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast''. Belle puts up with the Beast's temper tantrums and becoming his cheerful "life coach" in ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeastTheEnchantedChristmas''. She's worse in ''Belle's Magical World''.
* ''Disney/TheLittleMermaidIIReturnToTheSea'', which is very ironic, considering the title character becomes a parent! The first movie shows Ariel as being curious, open-minded, brave, and impulsive. The sequel gave Ariel a horrible case of AesopAmnesia, causing her to make the exact same mistakes with Melody that Triton did with her. And that's not even counting the [[WhatAnIdiot very stupid decision]] to keep Melody's heritage and background a secret from her, arguably giving her better reasons to be defiant than Ariel, who at least knew why her father had the rules he did.

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* ''Disney/PocahontasIIJourneyToANewWorld'' derails many characters as well. Pocahontas herself became cold and distant, John Smith was changed into a wise-cracking self-absorbed JerkAss, Meeko fell victim to AesopAmnesia (especially in regards to his friendship with Percy) and Radcliffe became a KarmaHoudini whose Radcliffe's evilness went UpToEleven.
* Due to {{Sequelitis}}, Belle from ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast''. Belle puts up with the Beast's temper tantrums and becoming his cheerful "life coach" in ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeastTheEnchantedChristmas''. She's worse in ''Belle's Magical World''.
* ''Disney/TheLittleMermaidIIReturnToTheSea'', which is very ironic, considering the title character becomes a parent! The first movie shows Ariel as being curious, open-minded, brave, and impulsive. The sequel gave Ariel a horrible case of AesopAmnesia, causing her to make the exact same mistakes with Melody that Triton did with her. And that's not even counting the [[WhatAnIdiot very stupid decision]] to keep Melody's heritage and background a secret from her, arguably giving her better reasons to be defiant than Ariel, who at least knew why her father had the rules he did.
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28th Dec '17 4:17:53 PM SatoshiBakura
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* When compared to his previous incarnation in ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', Supreme Leader Snoke just seemed like a completely different character in the ''Film/TheLastJedi'' compared to the movie before it and there is hardly an explanation for it either considering the sequel takes place just minutes after the first one. To elaborate on this, when we first see him, he seemed to be genuinely calm and calculated who seemed to have a great understanding regarding the concept of light and darkness, takes his defeats in stride, and actually treats his minions fairly well in contrast to the other villainous leaders such as Vader and Palpatine and that earned the respect of his soldiers and both Kylo Ren and Hux. But come the sequel, his attitude has drastically changed, turning him into a SmugSnake LargeHam who arrogantly believes that he is completely untouchable, treats his minions like shit, including the former two dragons whom now dislikes him and doesn't even attempts to complete Ren's training despite being promised to do so. Such derailment is ultimately used to treat him as a [[spoiler:DiscOneFinalBoss BigBadWannabe that Kylo Ren himself overthrew so he can now become the true BigBad of the sequel trilogy]].
27th Dec '17 9:35:30 PM Loekman3
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* Mary Jane Watson in ''Film/SpiderMan2 Spider-Man 2]]''. In ''Spider-Man'', she was fairly similar to her comic self; save for being [[{{Chickification}} less independent, her insecurities played up, and essentially a Damsel In Distress]], she retained MJ's signature flirty exterior, essentially what MJ would have been like in High School. In the sequel, however, [[TookALevelInJerkAss MJ loses her ability to empathize with Peter's troubles]], lashes out at him when he tries and fails to reconnect with her, then [[RunawayBride leaves her fiance at the alter when she finds out Peter is Spider-Man]], [[JerkAss with only a note saying goodbye]]. She gets a little better in ''3'', but is still fairly selfish and quick to lash out although [[IdiotPlot she was FAR from alone from being that way in that movie]].

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* Mary Jane Watson in ''Film/SpiderMan2 ''[[Film/SpiderMan2 Spider-Man 2]]''. In ''Spider-Man'', she was fairly similar to her comic self; save for being [[{{Chickification}} less independent, her insecurities played up, and essentially a Damsel In Distress]], she retained MJ's signature flirty exterior, essentially what MJ would have been like in High School. In the sequel, however, [[TookALevelInJerkAss MJ loses her ability to empathize with Peter's troubles]], lashes out at him when he tries and fails to reconnect with her, then [[RunawayBride leaves her fiance at the alter when she finds out Peter is Spider-Man]], [[JerkAss with only a note saying goodbye]]. She gets a little better in ''3'', but is still fairly selfish and quick to lash out although [[IdiotPlot she was FAR from alone from being that way in that movie]].movie]].
* When compared to his previous incarnation in ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', Supreme Leader Snoke just seemed like a completely different character in the ''Film/TheLastJedi'' compared to the movie before it and there is hardly an explanation for it either considering the sequel takes place just minutes after the first one. To elaborate on this, when we first see him, he seemed to be genuinely calm and calculated who seemed to have a great understanding regarding the concept of light and darkness, takes his defeats in stride, and actually treats his minions fairly well in contrast to the other villainous leaders such as Vader and Palpatine and that earned the respect of his soldiers and both Kylo Ren and Hux. But come the sequel, his attitude has drastically changed, turning him into a SmugSnake LargeHam who arrogantly believes that he is completely untouchable, treats his minions like shit, including the former two dragons whom now dislikes him and doesn't even attempts to complete Ren's training despite being promised to do so. Such derailment is ultimately used to treat him as a [[spoiler:DiscOneFinalBoss BigBadWannabe that Kylo Ren himself overthrew so he can now become the true BigBad of the sequel trilogy]].
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