History CharacterDerailment / ComicBooks

24th Jan '16 6:26:43 PM nombretomado
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** Then there's "[[SupermanAtEarthsEnd Bearded Idiot]]".
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** Then there's "[[SupermanAtEarthsEnd "[[ComicBook/SupermanAtEarthsEnd Bearded Idiot]]".
6th Jan '16 10:23:06 PM Doug86
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* Superman in the [[ComicBook/TheDarkKnightStrikesAgain Batman]] [[ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder stories]] written by FrankMiller, is displayed as a dumb muscle who sold out his morals and is completely incapable of thinking strategically like the [[CanonSue oh so perfect Batman.]] [[SuperDickery There is precedent, sort of, for Superman being a dick,]] but not an idiot.
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* Superman in the [[ComicBook/TheDarkKnightStrikesAgain Batman]] [[ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder stories]] written by FrankMiller, Creator/FrankMiller, is displayed as a dumb muscle who sold out his morals and is completely incapable of thinking strategically like the [[CanonSue oh so perfect Batman.]] [[SuperDickery There is precedent, sort of, for Superman being a dick,]] but not an idiot.
20th Dec '15 10:08:16 PM Anicomicgeek
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Officially, the Tony Stark seen since Heroes R Eturn is indeed the Tony Stark, resurrected and merged with his teen counterpart.
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**** [[http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2013/02/28/abandoned-love-the-titanic-tale-of-teen-tony-stark-aka-iron-teen/2/ However, officially,]] the Tony Stark who died was indeed resurrected and merged with teen Tony as an ''Avengers'' annual reveals why certain characters were changed by to their pre-''ComicBook/TheCrossing'' incarnations--and Tony is one of them, having unmasked himself to see the classic Tony Stark looking back in a puddle, having the memories of his own life--including his death, and the memories of the heroes' time in the ''Heroes Reborn'' and teen Tony's life--and his own grave being empty with an energy signature coming from it and traces of it in his own body.
19th Dec '15 5:25:22 PM nombretomado
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* Franchise/WonderWoman. Fans of the intelligent George Perez reboot have dealt with a whole ''host'' of derailment. From working in a fast food restaurant to Mike Deodato's "[[http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_eWAgNd_cltA/SjnJEB-BiMI/AAAAAAAAAB8/cmHbi1CXFq0/s400/WonderWomanThong01.jpg Wonder Thong]]" costume to becoming a bounty hunter to John Byrne trying to turn her into SheHulk / Babe by [[MostCommonSuperpower increasing the size of her breasts]] and giving her the standard "wimpy male sidekick" Byrne trademark. During all this, Julia Kapatelis was virtually PutOnABus. And then there was ''[[http://deadline.com/2010/06/dc-comics-decides-to-ruin-wonder-woman-50790/ this]]''. The cries of "RUINED Forever!" were so loud they never went through with it.
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* Franchise/WonderWoman. Fans of the intelligent George Perez reboot have dealt with a whole ''host'' of derailment. From working in a fast food restaurant to Mike Deodato's "[[http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_eWAgNd_cltA/SjnJEB-BiMI/AAAAAAAAAB8/cmHbi1CXFq0/s400/WonderWomanThong01.jpg Wonder Thong]]" costume to becoming a bounty hunter to John Byrne trying to turn her into SheHulk ComicBook/SheHulk / Babe by [[MostCommonSuperpower increasing the size of her breasts]] and giving her the standard "wimpy male sidekick" Byrne trademark. During all this, Julia Kapatelis was virtually PutOnABus. And then there was ''[[http://deadline.com/2010/06/dc-comics-decides-to-ruin-wonder-woman-50790/ this]]''. The cries of "RUINED Forever!" were so loud they never went through with it.
3rd Nov '15 3:06:26 PM nombretomado
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* Superman in the [[TheDarkKnightStrikesAgain Batman]] [[ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder stories]] written by FrankMiller, is displayed as a dumb muscle who sold out his morals and is completely incapable of thinking strategically like the [[CanonSue oh so perfect Batman.]] [[SuperDickery There is precedent, sort of, for Superman being a dick,]] but not an idiot. ** The worst part of this is that the derailment was within ''Miller's own continuity''. In ''The Dark Knight Returns'', Superman was a sympathetic character who was naive and LawfulStupid, but barely qualified as even an AntiVillain. By ''TheDarkKnightStrikesAgain'', he's suddenly a totally amoral angry god who carried off WonderWoman as a prize (which actually isn't shown as a bad thing in-story, but that's a reflection of [[AuthorAppeal Miller's views on women]], not the morality of the character) shouting out stuff like [[AGodAmI "I'm not a man, I'm SUPERMAN!"]] and then implies that he and Supergirl are going to [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill keep a tighter reign on this violent, immoral planet.]] And this time, he was actually supposed to be ''more'' "right" than in DKR.
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* Superman in the [[TheDarkKnightStrikesAgain [[ComicBook/TheDarkKnightStrikesAgain Batman]] [[ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder stories]] written by FrankMiller, is displayed as a dumb muscle who sold out his morals and is completely incapable of thinking strategically like the [[CanonSue oh so perfect Batman.]] [[SuperDickery There is precedent, sort of, for Superman being a dick,]] but not an idiot. ** The worst part of this is that the derailment was within ''Miller's own continuity''. In ''The Dark Knight Returns'', Superman was a sympathetic character who was naive and LawfulStupid, but barely qualified as even an AntiVillain. By ''TheDarkKnightStrikesAgain'', ''ComicBook/TheDarkKnightStrikesAgain'', he's suddenly a totally amoral angry god who carried off WonderWoman as a prize (which actually isn't shown as a bad thing in-story, but that's a reflection of [[AuthorAppeal Miller's views on women]], not the morality of the character) shouting out stuff like [[AGodAmI "I'm not a man, I'm SUPERMAN!"]] and then implies that he and Supergirl are going to [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill keep a tighter reign on this violent, immoral planet.]] And this time, he was actually supposed to be ''more'' "right" than in DKR.
8th Oct '15 7:06:26 PM nombretomado
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* ComicBook/BlackPanther. Poor T'Challa. Opinion is divided about when, exactly (Johns, Hudlin, or Liss) the derailment occurred, but not if. The fact is, in the early 2000s, Panther was treated as one of the smartest men in comics, king of ThePlan, and spent his time matching wits with Mephisto, Dr. Doom, ComicBook/IronMan, etc and coming out on top. Fast forward to the present, where he and Storm have been StrangledByTheRedString in the span of basically one story arc, he's lost his kingdom (on account latching onto an uncharacteristic IdiotBall), and his IQ appears to have dropped about fifty points. His well-documented scientific skills and background have been downplayed if not out-and-out retconned, and he's gone from being "Batman, only better" to "Daredevil, only worse, and have we mentioned lately that he's black?". His villains have gone from major threats like Doom, Magneto, and Mephisto to never before seen Russian mobsters, and Hatemonger. In terms of standing, he's gone from one of the most respected and revered heroes in the MarvelUniverse to being talked down to by LukeCage on a nearly monthly basis. This direction has been hemorrhaging sales as a result, and with Creator/ChristopherPriestComics retired, it fell to Jonathan Hickman to fix the character in his ''Fantastic Four'' and ''New Avengers'' runs, showing that T'Challa still has a keen scientific mind, and is still respected.
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* ComicBook/BlackPanther. Poor T'Challa. Opinion is divided about when, exactly (Johns, Hudlin, or Liss) the derailment occurred, but not if. The fact is, in the early 2000s, Panther was treated as one of the smartest men in comics, king of ThePlan, and spent his time matching wits with Mephisto, Dr. Doom, ComicBook/IronMan, etc and coming out on top. Fast forward to the present, where he and Storm have been StrangledByTheRedString in the span of basically one story arc, he's lost his kingdom (on account latching onto an uncharacteristic IdiotBall), and his IQ appears to have dropped about fifty points. His well-documented scientific skills and background have been downplayed if not out-and-out retconned, and he's gone from being "Batman, only better" to "Daredevil, only worse, and have we mentioned lately that he's black?". His villains have gone from major threats like Doom, Magneto, and Mephisto to never before seen Russian mobsters, and Hatemonger. In terms of standing, he's gone from one of the most respected and revered heroes in the MarvelUniverse to being talked down to by LukeCage ComicBook/{{Luke Cage|HeroForHire}} on a nearly monthly basis. This direction has been hemorrhaging sales as a result, and with Creator/ChristopherPriestComics retired, it fell to Jonathan Hickman to fix the character in his ''Fantastic Four'' and ''New Avengers'' runs, showing that T'Challa still has a keen scientific mind, and is still respected.
8th Oct '15 5:16:31 PM nombretomado
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* David Reid. Introduced to the JusticeSocietyOfAmerica as the great-grandson of [[UsefulNotes/FranklinDRoosevelt FDR]], Reid joined the team as an earnest but dedicated rookie with a solid respect for the team of veteran superheroes. Then along comes Gog, who transforms Reid into Magog after his brief brush with death. The transformation influences Reid into acting brashly and recklessly, but once he sees what Gog's really about he turns on his master, even [[spoiler:severing Gog's head in the climax.]] In the aftermath, he apologizes to Alan Scott and is seen [[http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/31566/800810-reid_45.jpg without his trademark eye scar]], indicating he's earned a fresh start. So what happens after that? He's quickly [[{{Flanderization}} flanderized]] into a caricature of his ComicBook/KingdomCome counterpart in every appearance other than his brief miniseries and ultimately killed off by Maxwell Lord in a [[PanderingToTheBase really ugly death scene]].
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* David Reid. Introduced to the JusticeSocietyOfAmerica ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica as the great-grandson of [[UsefulNotes/FranklinDRoosevelt FDR]], Reid joined the team as an earnest but dedicated rookie with a solid respect for the team of veteran superheroes. Then along comes Gog, who transforms Reid into Magog after his brief brush with death. The transformation influences Reid into acting brashly and recklessly, but once he sees what Gog's really about he turns on his master, even [[spoiler:severing Gog's head in the climax.]] In the aftermath, he apologizes to Alan Scott and is seen [[http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/31566/800810-reid_45.jpg without his trademark eye scar]], indicating he's earned a fresh start. So what happens after that? He's quickly [[{{Flanderization}} flanderized]] into a caricature of his ComicBook/KingdomCome counterpart in every appearance other than his brief miniseries and ultimately killed off by Maxwell Lord in a [[PanderingToTheBase really ugly death scene]].
7th Oct '15 2:49:58 PM Godzillawolf
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** Iron Will during the "Siege of the Crystal Empire" arc. In the show, and previous IDW comic he appeared in, he's a pretty nice guy who left ''both'' times on good terms with the mane six and was generally a nice guy, if a tad aggressive. Here he's part of a LegionOfDoom dedicated to helping resurrect ''King Sombra''. Even assuming he was unaware of the King Sombra part, other members of the team up include the Changelings and Queen Chrysalis (enemies of state who have tried several times to destroy Equestria), and the plan involves him [[spoiler:''stealing the Crystal Heart'' needed to protect the Empire and keep it safe from harm.]] He does so ''proudly'' and openly enjoys doing so.
6th Oct '15 7:12:40 AM Austin
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* Hank Hall in DC's ''Hawk and Dove'' was an impulsive JerkWithAHeartOfGold in the Kesels' run, having been fleshed out significantly from the original Steve Ditko incarnation and his appearances in the original ComicBook/TeenTitans. However, once the identity of Monarch was leaked as Captain Atom in an advance spoiler for DC's mini ''ComicBook/{{Armageddon 2001}}'' (though there had been foreshadowing that this was the case to begin with), editorial had to scramble and find a new character to be Monarch to retain the "surprise" ending. Unfortunately, they picked the one character that was blatantly shown NOT to be Monarch and a perplexing plot twist followed, derailing Hank into a murderous extremist and suddenly advanced enough in intelligence and powers to control time (with yet another villainous name change as Extant). He then lingered on as a sort of VillainSue until he was killed off in the pages of ''JSA'' [[spoiler: and then later [[UnexplainedRecovery brought back]] in ComicBook/BlackestNight, though it remains to be seen how his characterization will fare.]]
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* Hank Hall in DC's ''Hawk and Dove'' ''ComicBook/HawkAndDove'' was an impulsive JerkWithAHeartOfGold in the Kesels' run, having been fleshed out significantly from the original Steve Ditko incarnation and his appearances in the original ComicBook/TeenTitans. However, once the identity of Monarch was leaked as Captain Atom in an advance spoiler for DC's mini ''ComicBook/{{Armageddon 2001}}'' (though there had been foreshadowing that this was the case to begin with), editorial had to scramble and find a new character to be Monarch to retain the "surprise" ending. Unfortunately, they picked the one character that was blatantly shown NOT to be Monarch and a perplexing plot twist followed, derailing Hank into a murderous extremist and suddenly advanced enough in intelligence and powers to control time (with yet another villainous name change as Extant). He then lingered on as a sort of VillainSue until he was killed off in the pages of ''JSA'' [[spoiler: and then later [[UnexplainedRecovery brought back]] in ComicBook/BlackestNight, though it remains to be seen how his characterization will fare.]]
2nd Oct '15 6:12:46 PM nombretomado
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* In the original stories of ''Paperinik'' (aka Phantomias), Paperinik was the ChaoticNeutral alter-ego that DonaldDuck used for punishing those who had wronged him, mostly his own relatives. He was a shameless outlaw who was hunted down by the police and never had a motive to help others, unless he'd get a large reward. (Back then his relatives were HUGE {{Jerkass}}es. Scrooge was always breathing down his neck, pushing him and so on. Daisy was being a {{Tsundere}}. Gladstone was acting like Gladstone. They mellowed out later.) In later versions he was turned into a LawfulGood superhero who fights crime and unconditionally helps the authorities. This was [[TropesAreNotBad a derailment for the better]], out of which we got PaperinikNewAdventures.
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* In the original stories of ''Paperinik'' (aka Phantomias), Paperinik was the ChaoticNeutral alter-ego that DonaldDuck used for punishing those who had wronged him, mostly his own relatives. He was a shameless outlaw who was hunted down by the police and never had a motive to help others, unless he'd get a large reward. (Back then his relatives were HUGE {{Jerkass}}es. Scrooge was always breathing down his neck, pushing him and so on. Daisy was being a {{Tsundere}}. Gladstone was acting like Gladstone. They mellowed out later.) In later versions he was turned into a LawfulGood superhero who fights crime and unconditionally helps the authorities. This was [[TropesAreNotBad a derailment for the better]], out of which we got PaperinikNewAdventures.''ComicBook/PaperinikNewAdventures''.
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