History CharacterDerailment / ComicBooks

12th Oct '17 12:04:39 PM lillolillo
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* The ''ComicBook/AmazonsAttack'' miniseries afflicts Wonder Woman and the entire Amazon people with character derailment by way of IdiotPlot. The WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall review gives plenty of detail.

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* The ''ComicBook/AmazonsAttack'' miniseries afflicts Wonder Woman Franchise/WonderWoman and the entire Amazon people with character derailment by way of IdiotPlot. The WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall review gives plenty of detail.



* Owen Mercer, the second Captain Boomerang, was never a completely good person. At his best, he reached JerkWithAHeartOfGold status. But he was ''trying'' to move away from the family legacy, and ''trying'' to do good, and won himself friends like Nightwing and Supergirl in the process, then vanished from the comics for awhile. Then in ComicBook/BlackestNight, he pops up as an unhinged psycho feeding children to his zombie father, and is promptly killed for it. [[spoiler: And then the white rings resurrect his father in his place.]]

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* Owen Mercer, the second Captain Boomerang, was never a completely good person. At his best, he reached JerkWithAHeartOfGold status. But he was ''trying'' to move away from the family legacy, and ''trying'' to do good, and won himself friends like Nightwing ComicBook/{{Nightwing}} and Supergirl ComicBook/{{Supergirl}} in the process, then vanished from the comics for awhile. Then in ComicBook/BlackestNight, he pops up as an unhinged psycho feeding children to his zombie father, and is promptly killed for it. [[spoiler: And then the white rings resurrect his father in his place.]]



* Superman in the [[ComicBook/TheDarkKnightStrikesAgain Batman]] [[ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder stories]] written by Creator/FrankMiller, is displayed as a dumb muscle who sold out his morals and is completely incapable of thinking strategically like the [[CanonSue oh so perfect Batman.]] [[SuperDickery There is precedent, sort of, for Superman being a dick,]] but not an idiot.
** The worst part of this is that the derailment was within ''Miller's own continuity''. In ''The Dark Knight Returns'', Superman was a sympathetic character who was naive and LawfulStupid, but barely qualified as even an AntiVillain. By ''ComicBook/TheDarkKnightStrikesAgain'', he's suddenly a totally amoral angry god who carried off WonderWoman as a prize (which actually isn't shown as a bad thing in-story, but that's a reflection of [[AuthorAppeal Miller's views on women]], not the morality of the character) shouting out stuff like [[AGodAmI "I'm not a man, I'm SUPERMAN!"]] and then implies that he and Supergirl are going to [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill keep a tighter reign on this violent, immoral planet.]] And this time, he was actually supposed to be ''more'' "right" than in DKR.

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* Superman in ''Franchise/{{Superman}}'':
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the [[ComicBook/TheDarkKnightStrikesAgain Batman]] [[ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder stories]] written by Creator/FrankMiller, is displayed as a dumb muscle who sold out his morals and is completely incapable of thinking strategically like the [[CanonSue oh so perfect Batman.]] [[SuperDickery There is precedent, sort of, for Superman being a dick,]] but not an idiot.
** The worst part of this is that the derailment was within ''Miller's own continuity''. In ''The Dark Knight Returns'', Superman was a sympathetic character who was naive and LawfulStupid, but barely qualified as even an AntiVillain. By ''ComicBook/TheDarkKnightStrikesAgain'', he's suddenly a totally amoral angry god who carried off WonderWoman as a prize (which actually isn't shown as a bad thing in-story, but that's a reflection of [[AuthorAppeal Miller's views on women]], not the morality of the character) shouting out stuff like [[AGodAmI "I'm not a man, I'm SUPERMAN!"]] and then implies that he and Supergirl ComicBook/{{Supergirl}} are going to [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill keep a tighter reign on this violent, immoral planet.]] And this time, he was actually supposed to be ''more'' "right" than in DKR.



%%* Try reading ''ComicBook/AlphaFlight'' some time. From Byrne to Mantlo. 'nuff said.
25th Sep '17 12:16:39 PM Isaac_Heller
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** Cassie has become very ill tempered and cold towards her teammates after ''One Year Later''. Her character has downgraded into a self-righteous, holier-than-thou IceQueen who is obsessed with bringing Conner back and wants to change the team back into Young Justice. Pre-One Year Later, the common criticism about her involved Johns having watered down her geekiness and outgoing nature to turn her into someone who only seemed to exist to be Kon's love interest and not have much else to her.

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** Cassie has become very ill tempered and cold towards her teammates teammates, especially after ''One Year Later''. Her character has downgraded into a self-righteous, holier-than-thou IceQueen who is obsessed with bringing Conner back and wants to change the team back into Young Justice. Pre-One Year Later, the common criticism about her involved Johns having watered down her geekiness and outgoing nature to turn her into someone who only seemed to exist to be Kon's love interest and not have much else to her.
19th Sep '17 1:23:21 PM Tropetastic1995
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** ComicBook/BlackCat was subjected to this after the events of ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan'', in which Felicia was attacked by Spider-Ock, she wound up swearing to get revenge. After Peter's return she became an outright AxCrazy psycho who wants to destroy everything about him and doesn't care that he was under someone else's control, attempting to harm anyone and everything else in the process and even joining forces with several past Spider-Man villains to do so, even several that she used to be enemies with. She also now wants to be the toughest, most feared crime boss in all of New York despite that never being her motivation in the past. Fans of Felicia in her AntiHero days have not been happy. The not so subtle implication that this was all done primarily to further solidify [[CreatorsPet Silk]] [[DerailingLoveInterests as Peter's love interest]] didn't help.

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** ComicBook/BlackCat was subjected to this after the events of ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan'', in which Felicia was attacked by Spider-Ock, she wound up swearing to get revenge. After Peter's return she became an outright AxCrazy psycho who wants to destroy everything about him and doesn't care that he was under someone else's control, attempting to harm anyone and everything else in the process and even joining forces with several past Spider-Man villains to do so, even several that she used to be enemies with. She also now wants to be the toughest, most feared crime boss in all of New York despite that never being her motivation in the past. Fans of Felicia in her AntiHero days have not been happy. The not so subtle implication that this was all done primarily to further solidify [[CreatorsPet Silk]] [[DerailingLoveInterests as Peter's love interest]] didn't help. Her later appearances in ''Silk'' and ''The Defenders'', fortunately, depict her as a more sane and morally nuanced character rather than a flat out Psycho Mob boss.
19th Sep '17 1:08:29 PM Tropetastic1995
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** Apparently in this universe [[spoiler: Banner's long years of exposure to gamma radiation finally took their toll on his two personalities. So for this reason the Banner persona disappeared, left with nothing but an insane Hulk.]]

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** Apparently in this universe [[spoiler: Banner's long years of exposure to gamma radiation finally took their toll on his two personalities. So for this reason the Banner persona disappeared, left with nothing but an insane Hulk.]]]] ''Old Man Logan'' is an alternate universe story set many decades into a BadFuture, so naturally the writers get to have a bit more leeway with the characters they're writing.
16th Sep '17 2:29:35 PM DreamerCynist2
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** [=NuWally=] sort of gets a moment too, when his DaddyIssues seemingly encompass his entire character. When Slade is lost in the Speed Force, [=NuWally=] is angry that the Titans and Teen Titans are celebrating, even though they know they can't rescue him and he's more than a bit of an amoral asshole. [=NuWally=] decides to run into the Speed Force to save Slade. That [=NuWally=] is so adamant on this and values Slade's life so much is more than a bit of a stretch, as he made his dislike of his former CoolUncle, Daniel West, very clear once he learned that Daniel was the villainous Reverse-Flash. And Daniel was ''his uncle'' he admired who killed about five people, while Slade is some random guy he spent an afternoon with who has killed, as he made explicitly clear to [=NuWally=], ''hundreds''. The kid caring about this guy is just... forced.

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** [=NuWally=] sort of gets a moment too, when his DaddyIssues seemingly encompass his entire character. When Slade is lost in the Speed Force, [=NuWally=] is angry that the Titans and Teen Titans are celebrating, even though they know they can't rescue him and he's more than a bit of an amoral asshole.asshole (indeed, the Rebirth series has "Deathstroke is a git that ruins things for his family and is not someone you should admire" as a main theme). [=NuWally=] decides to run into the Speed Force to save Slade. That [=NuWally=] is so adamant on this and values Slade's life so much is more than a bit of a stretch, as he made his dislike of his former CoolUncle, Daniel West, very clear once he learned that Daniel was the villainous Reverse-Flash. And Daniel was ''his uncle'' he admired who killed about five people, while Slade is some random guy he spent an afternoon with who has killed, as he made explicitly clear to [=NuWally=], ''hundreds''. The kid caring about this guy is just... forced.
1st Jul '17 7:41:46 PM WillBGood
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* Agatha went from being Gaturro's girlfriend to his unattainable love interest.

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* %%* Agatha went from being Gaturro's girlfriend to his unattainable love interest.
25th Jun '17 3:33:43 PM SkyHavenPath13
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** Wally west at one point is chasing down Deathstroke, who has acquired super speed somehow on Wally's level. When they're stuck in BulletTime, Slade mentions that they're now on an even playing field, and Wally ''runs away''. As in he doesn't even get hit first, he runs away ''at the first sign that he isn't fast enough''. Forgetting that he also forgot about his ability to train speed, Wally has never, ''ever'' been depicted as a DirtyCoward entirely reliant on his superspeed, who flees at the first sign of trouble.
** [=NuWally=] sort of gets a moment too, when his DAddyIssues seemingly encompass his entire character. When Slade is lost in the Speed Force, [=NuWally=] is angry that the Titans and Teen Titans are celebrating, even though they know they can't rescue him and he's more than a bit of an amoral asshole. [=NuWally=] decides to run into the Speed Force to save Slade. That [=NuWally=] is so adamant on this and values Slade's life so much is more than a bit of a stretch, as he made his dislike of his former CoolUncle, Daniel West, very clear once he learned that DAnielw as the villainous Reverse-Flash. And DAniel was ''his uncle'' he admired who killed about five people, while Slade is some random guy he spent an afternoon with who has killed, as he made explicitly clear to [=NuWally=], ''hundreds''. The kid caring about this guy is just... forced.

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** Wally west West at one point is chasing down Deathstroke, who has acquired super speed somehow on Wally's level. When they're stuck in BulletTime, Slade mentions that they're now on an even playing field, and Wally ''runs away''. As in he doesn't even get hit first, he runs away ''at the first sign that he isn't fast enough''. Forgetting that he also forgot about his ability to train drain speed, Wally has never, ''ever'' been depicted as a DirtyCoward entirely reliant on his superspeed, SuperSpeed, who flees at the first sign of trouble.
** [=NuWally=] sort of gets a moment too, when his DAddyIssues DaddyIssues seemingly encompass his entire character. When Slade is lost in the Speed Force, [=NuWally=] is angry that the Titans and Teen Titans are celebrating, even though they know they can't rescue him and he's more than a bit of an amoral asshole. [=NuWally=] decides to run into the Speed Force to save Slade. That [=NuWally=] is so adamant on this and values Slade's life so much is more than a bit of a stretch, as he made his dislike of his former CoolUncle, Daniel West, very clear once he learned that DAnielw as Daniel was the villainous Reverse-Flash. And DAniel Daniel was ''his uncle'' he admired who killed about five people, while Slade is some random guy he spent an afternoon with who has killed, as he made explicitly clear to [=NuWally=], ''hundreds''. The kid caring about this guy is just... forced.
10th Jun '17 3:51:26 PM FuzzyBarbarian
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* ''ComicBook/TheLazarusContract'' has quite a few moments where characters act wildly out of character just to propel the plot forward.
** Dick Grayson is suddenly acting like he did in ''The New Teen Titans'' and being all secretive about some nebulous deal he made with Deathstroke. When it's revealed, we learn that [[spoiler:he agreed to train Rose Wilson and instil some morals in her in exchange for Slade not killing the Teen Titans after Grant Wilson was killed]]. Why this was some deep dark secret he felt he needed to keep from the team is never explained, especially given that he ''hasn't'' acted this secretive for ''years''.
** Damian Wayne chewing out Kid Flash for trusting Deathstroke at one point. Forgiving that it was an accident, Damian of all characters ''knows'' how hard it is to live up to a heroic legacy, and how people just screw up sometimes. While he's arrogant, him [[spoiler: kicking Kid Flash off the Teen Titans]] is pretty extreme.
** Wally west at one point is chasing down Deathstroke, who has acquired super speed somehow on Wally's level. When they're stuck in BulletTime, Slade mentions that they're now on an even playing field, and Wally ''runs away''. As in he doesn't even get hit first, he runs away ''at the first sign that he isn't fast enough''. Forgetting that he also forgot about his ability to train speed, Wally has never, ''ever'' been depicted as a DirtyCoward entirely reliant on his superspeed, who flees at the first sign of trouble.
** [=NuWally=] sort of gets a moment too, when his DAddyIssues seemingly encompass his entire character. When Slade is lost in the Speed Force, [=NuWally=] is angry that the Titans and Teen Titans are celebrating, even though they know they can't rescue him and he's more than a bit of an amoral asshole. [=NuWally=] decides to run into the Speed Force to save Slade. That [=NuWally=] is so adamant on this and values Slade's life so much is more than a bit of a stretch, as he made his dislike of his former CoolUncle, Daniel West, very clear once he learned that DAnielw as the villainous Reverse-Flash. And DAniel was ''his uncle'' he admired who killed about five people, while Slade is some random guy he spent an afternoon with who has killed, as he made explicitly clear to [=NuWally=], ''hundreds''. The kid caring about this guy is just... forced.
9th Jun '17 2:42:25 AM Vampireandthen
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** Hawkeye, a man who divorced from his wife in an argument of whether superheroes killed or not, suddenly becomes willing to try and kill Norman Osborn.

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** Hawkeye, a man who divorced from his wife in an argument of whether superheroes killed or not, suddenly becomes willing to try and kill Norman Osborn. Bendis has admitted to hating Hawkeye, and this would not be the last time he had Hawkeye ignore his no killing rule, only this time, he outright does kill someone. This is a a case of the derailment being 100% intentional.
21st May '17 3:06:07 PM Forenperser
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** Fraction also has a pretty obvious personal dislike for ComicBook/DoctorDoom. During ''ComicBook/{{FF}}'', he pulled no punches on this dislike, having him beaten by Scott Lang, who not only leaves his property in ruins, but who also reveals him as just an amateur magician and a self-mutilator, calls every redeeming quality Doom ever had a straight-up lie (and compares him to several real-life dictators in the process) and beats him black and blue with help of the Pym Particles.
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