History CarnivoreConfusion / DisneyAndPixar

7th Dec '16 7:18:34 AM TheNewBig
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* In ''Disney/TheLittleMermaid'' Triton mocks humans for eating fish. That leaves the question of what do merfolk eat? According to later supplementary material they are vegan and eat foods like kelp, but that isn't shown in-series.

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* In ''Disney/TheLittleMermaid'' Triton mocks humans for eating fish. That leaves the question of what do merfolk eat? According to later supplementary material they are vegan and eat foods like kelp, but that isn't shown in-series. The fish, themselves, on the other hand...
26th Nov '16 7:47:50 PM ElSquibbonator
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** This is potentially justified, since they only recently gained intelligence.
25th Nov '16 11:06:22 AM Pichu-kun
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* The trope is deconstructed as the premise for ''Disney/{{Zootopia}}.'' At the outset, Zootopia is a place where all species of anthropomorphic animals get along, which is completely normal for an animal cartoon. As the story progresses, however, it becomes increasingly clear that there is a current of unspoken racism in Zootopia and a power imbalance between the predator and prey species. This comes to a head when certain anthropomorphic animals stop acting like humans and become feral and aggressive. The central plot revolves around the mystery of why and how this happens.

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* The trope is deconstructed as the premise for ''Disney/{{Zootopia}}.'' At the outset, Zootopia is a place where all species of anthropomorphic animals get along, which is completely normal for an animal cartoon. As the story progresses, however, it becomes increasingly clear that there is a current of unspoken racism in Zootopia and a power imbalance between the predator and prey species. This comes to a head when certain anthropomorphic animals stop acting like humans and become feral and aggressive. The central plot revolves around the mystery of why and how this happens. The topic of what predator species actually eat is never specified though.



** The many times WesternAnimation/DonaldDuck has worried about not having enough money to put a Thanksgiving/Christmas turkey/goose/chicken on the table. And yet has shown objection to [[FurryConfusion the idea of roast duck once or twice]].
*** Donald may not be as "furry confused" as he seems, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck ducks]] are, at most, only as closely related to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goose geese]] as [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human we]] are to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimpanzee chimpanzees]] and, no more closely related to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken chickens]] and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_%28bird%29 turkeys]] than we are to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig pigs]], [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle cattle]], or [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheep sheep]].
*** Donald rejecting the idea of roast duck makes perfect sense-humans, generally speaking, don't eat apes, but most of us are fine with eating beef despite being mammals.

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** The many times WesternAnimation/DonaldDuck has worried about not having enough money to put a Thanksgiving/Christmas turkey/goose/chicken on the table. And yet has shown objection to [[FurryConfusion the idea of roast duck once or twice]].
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twice]]. Donald may not be as "furry confused" as he seems, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck ducks]] are, at most, only as closely related to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goose geese]] as [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human we]] are to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimpanzee chimpanzees]] and, no more closely related to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken chickens]] and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_%28bird%29 turkeys]] than we are to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig pigs]], [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle cattle]], or [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheep sheep]].
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sheep]]. Donald rejecting the idea of roast duck makes perfect sense-humans, generally speaking, don't eat apes, but most of us are fine with eating beef despite being mammals.
30th May '16 7:14:38 PM DaFlabbagasta
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** ''The Lion King'', as a film with the cycle of life and death as its main theme, ''does'' addresses this issue to a surprisingly high degree. True, Mufasa is never shown eating a single animal, and Simba becomes an insectivore; however, Mufasa makes it very clear at the beginning that lions eat animals and are part of the Great Cycle of Life, Scar rewards the hyenas with a shank of zebra, Simba practices his hunting skills with Zazu and tells Timon and Pumbaa he's so hungry he could eat a zebra, Nala tries to hunt Pumbaa, the hyenas finish all the available food once Scar takes over, and Timon and Pumbaa lure the hyenas away by posing as delicious wild game. It's an uncomfortable twist on the concept of governmental dominance -- the monarchy not only orders you around but might also ''eat you''.

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** ''The Lion King'', as a film with the cycle of life and death as its main theme, ''does'' addresses address this issue to a surprisingly high degree. True, Mufasa is never shown eating a single animal, and Simba becomes an insectivore; however, Mufasa makes it very clear at the beginning that lions eat animals and are part of the Great Cycle of Life, Scar rewards the hyenas with a shank of zebra, Simba practices his hunting skills with Zazu and tells Timon and Pumbaa he's so hungry he could eat a zebra, Nala tries to hunt Pumbaa, the hyenas finish all the available food once Scar takes over, and Timon and Pumbaa lure the hyenas away by posing as delicious wild game. It's an uncomfortable twist on the concept of governmental dominance -- the monarchy not only orders you around but might also ''eat you''.
30th May '16 5:44:35 PM Pichu-kun
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* In ''Disney/TheLittleMermaid'' Triton mocks humans for eating fish. That leaves the question of what do merfolk eat? According to later supplementary material they are vegan and eat foods like kelp, but that isn't shown in-series.
6th May '16 6:30:38 AM jormis29
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* ''WesternAnimation/BedknobsAndBroomsticks'' features a sequence that takes place underwater, with the live-action cast dancing with a city of talking fish. All well and good -- until the merry ball is broken up by a fisherman. Who turns out to be a talking bear. Because all the animals on this island island were made human-like thanks to a magic spell. Hello, FridgeLogic.

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* ''WesternAnimation/BedknobsAndBroomsticks'' ''Film/BedknobsAndBroomsticks'' features a sequence that takes place underwater, with the live-action cast dancing with a city of talking fish. All well and good -- until the merry ball is broken up by a fisherman. Who turns out to be a talking bear. Because all the animals on this island island were made human-like thanks to a magic spell. Hello, FridgeLogic.
2nd May '16 5:44:15 PM Pichu-kun
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* ''WesternAnimation/LambertTheSheepishLion'': A Disney short where a stork accidentally delivers a lion to a family of sheep. It's never questioned how Lambert survives without eating the other sheep. In one scene he saves his foster mother from an evil, hungry wolf.

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* ''WesternAnimation/LambertTheSheepishLion'': ''Disney/LambertTheSheepishLion'': A Disney short where a stork accidentally delivers a lion to a family of sheep. It's never questioned how Lambert survives without eating the other sheep. In one scene he saves his foster mother from an evil, hungry wolf.
2nd May '16 5:43:30 PM Pichu-kun
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** "Too late..."



* Addressed in ''WesternAnimation/FindingNemo''. Nemo is introduced to a pelican who makes an apology to Nemo on the off chance that he had ever tried to eat him in the past. Apparently, predators only eat prey animals they're not on a first-name basis with. Which makes sense, one with pet fish usually won't go after them for food, and many people keep farm animals as pets without going vegetarian.

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* ''WesternAnimation/FindingNemo'':
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Addressed in ''WesternAnimation/FindingNemo''.''Finding Nemo''. Nemo is introduced to a pelican who makes an apology to Nemo on the off chance that he had ever tried to eat him in the past. Apparently, predators only eat prey animals they're not on a first-name basis with. Which makes sense, one with pet fish usually won't go after them for food, and many people keep farm animals as pets without going vegetarian.



* ''Disney/TheLionKing'', as a film with the cycle of life and death as its main theme, ''does'' addresses this issue to a surprisingly high degree. True, Mufasa is never shown eating a single animal, and Simba becomes an insectivore; however, Mufasa makes it very clear at the beginning that lions eat animals and are part of the Great Cycle of Life, Scar rewards the hyenas with a shank of zebra, Simba practices his hunting skills with Zazu and tells Timon and Pumbaa he's so hungry he could eat a zebra, Nala tries to hunt Pumbaa, the hyenas finish all the available food once Scar takes over, and Timon and Pumbaa lure the hyenas away by posing as delicious wild game. It's an uncomfortable twist on the concept of governmental dominance -- the monarchy not only orders you around but might also ''eat you''.
** Painfully averted in an early script of the movie that would eventually become ''The Lion King''. Two of Simba's friends are an aardvark and a zebra, Daabi and Lemuta. Lemuta and Simba are playing when they see Simba's parents hunt a zebra, who happens to be Lemuta's mother. She escapes but that makes Lemuta notice that their little "games" are preparing for something different and it changes their bond considerably.

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* ''Disney/TheLionKing'', ''Disney/TheLionKing'':
** ''The Lion King'',
as a film with the cycle of life and death as its main theme, ''does'' addresses this issue to a surprisingly high degree. True, Mufasa is never shown eating a single animal, and Simba becomes an insectivore; however, Mufasa makes it very clear at the beginning that lions eat animals and are part of the Great Cycle of Life, Scar rewards the hyenas with a shank of zebra, Simba practices his hunting skills with Zazu and tells Timon and Pumbaa he's so hungry he could eat a zebra, Nala tries to hunt Pumbaa, the hyenas finish all the available food once Scar takes over, and Timon and Pumbaa lure the hyenas away by posing as delicious wild game. It's an uncomfortable twist on the concept of governmental dominance -- the monarchy not only orders you around but might also ''eat you''.
** Painfully averted in an [[WhatCouldHaveBeen early script script]] of the movie that would eventually become ''The Lion King''. Two of Simba's friends are an aardvark and a zebra, Daabi and Lemuta. Lemuta and Simba are playing when they see Simba's parents hunt a zebra, who happens to be Lemuta's mother. She escapes but that makes Lemuta notice that their little "games" are preparing for something different and it changes their bond considerably. stops being friends with Simba.
** Lampshaded by Timon after meeting Nala. "LetMeGetThisStraight. You know her, she knows you, but she wants to eat him. And everyone's. . . ''okay'' with this? ''DID I MISS SOMETHING HERE?!''"



** Lampshaded by Timon after meeting Nala. "LetMeGetThisStraight. You know her, she knows you, but she wants to eat him. And everyone's. . . ''okay'' with this? ''DID I MISS SOMETHING HERE?!''"



* ''Disney/{{Bambi}}'' avoids the issue entirely (except where human hunters are concerned), to the point where Thumper the rabbit can hang out unconcerned under Friend Owl's gaze...
** But the original Felix Stalton novel addresses it directly. Here predatory animals and humans are not so much mean as constantly on edge. If they act rude, it's only because it is ''so'' much harder for them to find food.

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* ''Disney/{{Bambi}}'' avoids the issue entirely (except where human hunters are concerned), to the point where Thumper the rabbit can hang out unconcerned under Friend Owl's gaze...
** But the
gaze... The original Felix Stalton novel addresses it directly. Here predatory animals and humans are not so much mean as constantly on edge. If they act rude, it's only because it is ''so'' much harder for them to find food.



* In ''WesternAnimation/ABugsLife'', the black widow spider and the praying mantis get along great with all the other bugs, not even a hint that they'd be in danger. In fact, the moth was married to the praying mantis. The only animals that actually behaved like carnivores were the birds.
** Except for the time she was talking to an insect about how her past husbands died and he was unnerved, to put it lightly.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/ABugsLife'', the ''WesternAnimation/ABugsLife'':
** The
black widow spider and the praying mantis get along great with all the other bugs, not even a hint that they'd be in danger. In fact, the moth was married to the praying mantis. The only animals that actually behaved like carnivores were the birds.
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birds. Except for the time she was talking to an insect about how her past husbands died and he was unnerved, to put it lightly.



* ''Lambert The Sheepish Lion'': A Disney short where a stork accidentally delivers a lion to a family of sheep. It's never questioned how Lambert survives without eating the other sheep. In one scene he saves his foster mother from an evil, hungry wolf.

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* ''Lambert The Sheepish Lion'': ''WesternAnimation/LambertTheSheepishLion'': A Disney short where a stork accidentally delivers a lion to a family of sheep. It's never questioned how Lambert survives without eating the other sheep. In one scene he saves his foster mother from an evil, hungry wolf.
7th Apr '16 4:41:05 PM Theriocephalus
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* ''Disney/TheLionKing'', as a film with the cycle of life and death as its main theme, ''does'' addresses this issue to a surprisingly high degree. True, Mufasa is never shown eating a single animal, and Simba becomes an insectivore; however, Mufasa makes it very clear at the beginning that lions eat animals and are part of the Great Cycle of Life, Simba practices his hunting skills with Zazu, tells Timon and Pumbaa he's so hungry he could eat a zebra, Nala tries to hunt Pumbaa, the hyenas finish all the available food once Scar takes over, and Timon and Pumbaa lure the hyenas away by posing as delicious wild game. It's an uncomfortable twist on the concept of governmental dominance - the monarchy not only orders you around but it might ''eat you'' also...

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* ''Disney/TheLionKing'', as a film with the cycle of life and death as its main theme, ''does'' addresses this issue to a surprisingly high degree. True, Mufasa is never shown eating a single animal, and Simba becomes an insectivore; however, Mufasa makes it very clear at the beginning that lions eat animals and are part of the Great Cycle of Life, Scar rewards the hyenas with a shank of zebra, Simba practices his hunting skills with Zazu, Zazu and tells Timon and Pumbaa he's so hungry he could eat a zebra, Nala tries to hunt Pumbaa, the hyenas finish all the available food once Scar takes over, and Timon and Pumbaa lure the hyenas away by posing as delicious wild game. It's an uncomfortable twist on the concept of governmental dominance - -- the monarchy not only orders you around but it might also ''eat you'' also...you''.
7th Mar '16 7:03:29 AM Hanz
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* The trope is deconstructed as the premise for ''Zootopia.'' At the outset, Zootopia is a place where all species of anthropomorphic animals get along, which is completely normal for an animal cartoon. As the story progresses, however, it becomes increasingly clear that there is a current of unspoken racism in Zootopia and a power imbalance between the predator and prey species. This comes to a head when certain anthropomorphic animals stop acting like humans and become feral and aggressive. The central plot revolves around the mystery of why and how this happens.

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* The trope is deconstructed as the premise for ''Zootopia.''Disney/{{Zootopia}}.'' At the outset, Zootopia is a place where all species of anthropomorphic animals get along, which is completely normal for an animal cartoon. As the story progresses, however, it becomes increasingly clear that there is a current of unspoken racism in Zootopia and a power imbalance between the predator and prey species. This comes to a head when certain anthropomorphic animals stop acting like humans and become feral and aggressive. The central plot revolves around the mystery of why and how this happens.
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