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** Those who support this idea, consider Midoriya receiving One For All a case in which the hero gets powerups handed to him, and would have preferred seeing Izuku become a great hero despite being Quirkless, often citing other characters that ''have'' Quirks but [[FightsLikeANormal functionally fight as if Quirkless]] due to the limitations they have, Aizawa[[labelnote:*]]His "Erasure" only erases a Quirk so long as he doesn't blink, and as such is very fast and agile, being compared to a {{ninja}} InUniverse.[[/labelnote]] and Stain[[labelnote:*]]His "Bloodcurdle" only works if he can ''ingest'' his targets blood, so he needs to be able to ''cut'' them first, hence his use of bladed weapons and extreme manueverability.[[/labelnote]] in particular being mentioned. They also point out that Midoriya becoming a famous hero with such unfavorable odds would have been a more inspiring tale than Midoriya becoming a great hero because he was lucky to meet somebody who gave him an overpowered Quirk. It does not help that a lot of official plot summaries and advertisements for MHA often [[NeverTrustATrailer describe the premise in ways that make it sound like Midoriya will stay Quirkless]], meaning a good number of viewers and readers get into the series expecting that only to end up disappointed.
** Those who oppose that idea, however, argue that Midoriya is forced to learn how to use One For All, turning it from an AwesomeButImpractical ability that breaks his bones to a power he can use as effectively as All Might once did, leaving him room for growth, and argue that it would be unrealistic to expect a Quirkless Midoriya to be able to effectively fight against villains who have mastered their Quirks, some being downright overpowered, and would just end up being [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomped by most of his opponents]] [[labelnote:*]]Such as Muscular, Overhaul, Shigaraki, All for One, Bakugo, Shoto,... [[/labelnote]] or [[AssPull beating them in ways that would be unsatisfying]] either by requiring Horikoshi [[PlotArmor to bend the story backwards in order to justify his survival]] or have his foes grab the IdiotBall. Pointing out that he ultimately decided against Midoriya being a Quirkless hero for this very reason and finally argue that a Quirkless Izuku would have been seriously {{overshadowed|ByAwesome}} by his Quirk-wielding classmates.
** Then, there's a third camp (though not as loud or visible) that sits on an awkward middle ground : those who believe that, like the first group, Midoriya should have stayed Quirkless, but like the second group, agree that My Hero Academia as it is, with its high stakes SaveTheWorld plot and [[StoryBreakerPower overpowered villains running amok]] simply wouldn't work with a BadassNormal protagonist and would require to [[JustForPun overhaul]] the entire series in order to accommodate for such drastic and radical changes, but argue that a more grounded plot with lower stakes and a smaller power scale would have made for a more interesting story.

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** Those who support this idea, consider Midoriya receiving One For All a case in which the hero gets powerups handed to him, and would have preferred seeing Izuku become a great hero despite being Quirkless, often citing other characters that ''have'' Quirks but [[FightsLikeANormal functionally fight as if Quirkless]] due to the limitations they have, Aizawa[[labelnote:*]]His "Erasure" only erases a Quirk so long as he doesn't blink, and as such is very fast and agile, being compared to a {{ninja}} InUniverse.[[/labelnote]] and Stain[[labelnote:*]]His "Bloodcurdle" only works if he can ''ingest'' his targets blood, so he needs to be able to ''cut'' them first, hence his use of bladed weapons and extreme manueverability.[[/labelnote]] in particular being mentioned. They also point out that Midoriya becoming a famous hero with such unfavorable odds would have been a more inspiring tale than Midoriya becoming a great hero because he was lucky to meet somebody who gave him an overpowered Quirk. It does not help that a lot of many official plot summaries and advertisements for MHA often ''My Hero Academia'' [[NeverTrustATrailer describe the premise in ways that make it sound like Midoriya will stay stays Quirkless]], meaning a good number of viewers and readers get into the series expecting that only to end up disappointed.
** Those who oppose that idea, however, argue that Midoriya is forced to learn how to use One For All, turning it from an AwesomeButImpractical ability that breaks his bones to a power he can use as effectively as All Might once did, leaving him room for growth, and argue that it would be unrealistic to expect a Quirkless Midoriya to be able to effectively fight against villains who have mastered their Quirks, some being downright overpowered, and would just end up being [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomped by most of his opponents]] [[labelnote:*]]Such as Muscular, Overhaul, Shigaraki, All for One, Bakugo, Shoto,... [[/labelnote]] or [[AssPull beating them in ways that would be unsatisfying]] either by requiring Horikoshi [[PlotArmor to bend the story backwards in order to justify his survival]] or have his foes grab the IdiotBall. Pointing IdiotBall, pointing out that he ultimately decided against Midoriya being a Quirkless hero for this very reason and reason. They finally argue that a Quirkless Izuku would have been seriously {{overshadowed|ByAwesome}} by his Quirk-wielding classmates.
** Then, there's a third camp (though not as loud or visible) that sits on an awkward middle ground : ground: those who believe that, like the first group, Midoriya should have stayed Quirkless, but like the second group, agree that My ''My Hero Academia Academia'' as it is, with its high stakes SaveTheWorld plot and [[StoryBreakerPower overpowered villains running amok]] simply wouldn't work with a BadassNormal protagonist and would require to [[JustForPun overhaul]] the entire series in order to accommodate for such drastic and radical changes, but argue that a more grounded plot with lower stakes and a smaller power scale would have made for a more interesting story.
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** Those who oppose that idea, however, argue that Midoriya is forced to learn how to use One For All, turning it from an AwesomeButImpractical ability that breaks his bones to a power he can use as effectively as All Might once did, leaving him room for growth, and argue that it would be unrealistic to expect a Quirkless Midoriya to be able to effectively fight against villains who have mastered their Quirks, some being downright overpowered, and would just end up being [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomped by most of his opponents]] [[labelnote:*]]Such as Muscular, Overhaul, Shigaraki, All for One, Bakugo, Shoto,... [[/labelnote]] or [[AssPull beating them in ways that would be unsatisfying]], that any victory an Quirkless Midoriya could achieve would either [[PlotArmor require Horikoshi to bend the story backwards in order to justify his survival]] or have his foes grab the IdiotBall, Pointing out that Horikoshi ultimately decided against Midoriya being a Quirkless hero for this very reason and finally argue that a Quirkless Izuku would have been seriously {{overshadowed|ByAwesome}} by his Quirk-wielding classmates.

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** Those who oppose that idea, however, argue that Midoriya is forced to learn how to use One For All, turning it from an AwesomeButImpractical ability that breaks his bones to a power he can use as effectively as All Might once did, leaving him room for growth, and argue that it would be unrealistic to expect a Quirkless Midoriya to be able to effectively fight against villains who have mastered their Quirks, some being downright overpowered, and would just end up being [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomped by most of his opponents]] [[labelnote:*]]Such as Muscular, Overhaul, Shigaraki, All for One, Bakugo, Shoto,... [[/labelnote]] or [[AssPull beating them in ways that would be unsatisfying]], that any victory an Quirkless Midoriya could achieve would unsatisfying]] either by requiring Horikoshi [[PlotArmor require Horikoshi to bend the story backwards in order to justify his survival]] or have his foes grab the IdiotBall, IdiotBall. Pointing out that Horikoshi he ultimately decided against Midoriya being a Quirkless hero for this very reason and finally argue that a Quirkless Izuku would have been seriously {{overshadowed|ByAwesome}} by his Quirk-wielding classmates.
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** Those who oppose that idea, however, argue that Midoriya is forced to learn how to use One For All, turning it from an AwesomeButImpractical ability that breaks his bones to a power he can use as effectively as All Might once did, leaving him room for growth, and argue that it would be unrealistic to expect a Quirkless Midoriya to be able to effectively fight against villains who have mastered their Quirks, some being downright [[StoryBreakerPower overpowered]] , and would just end up being [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomped by most of his opponents]] [[labelnote:*]]Such as Muscular, Overhaul, Shigaraki, All for One, Bakugo, Shoto,... [[/labelnote]] or [[AssPull beating them in ways that would be unsatisfying]], pointing out that Horikoshi ultimately decided against Midoriya being a Quirkless hero for this very reason and finally argue that a Quirkless Izuku would have been seriously {{overshadowed|ByAwesome}} by his Quirk-wielding classmates.
** Then, there's a third camp (though not as loud or visible) that sits on an awkward middle ground between the previous two: those who believe that, like the first group, Midoriya should have stayed Quirkless, but like the second group, agree that MHA's current plot, with its high stakes and overpowered villains with {{Story Breaker Power}}s simply wouldn't work with a BadassNormal protagonist and would require to [[JustForPun overhaul]] the entire series in order to accommodate for such kind of main character, but argue that a plot with lower stakes and a smaller power scale would have made for a more interesting story.

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** Those who oppose that idea, however, argue that Midoriya is forced to learn how to use One For All, turning it from an AwesomeButImpractical ability that breaks his bones to a power he can use as effectively as All Might once did, leaving him room for growth, and argue that it would be unrealistic to expect a Quirkless Midoriya to be able to effectively fight against villains who have mastered their Quirks, some being downright [[StoryBreakerPower overpowered]] , overpowered, and would just end up being [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomped by most of his opponents]] [[labelnote:*]]Such as Muscular, Overhaul, Shigaraki, All for One, Bakugo, Shoto,... [[/labelnote]] or [[AssPull beating them in ways that would be unsatisfying]], pointing that any victory an Quirkless Midoriya could achieve would either [[PlotArmor require Horikoshi to bend the story backwards in order to justify his survival]] or have his foes grab the IdiotBall, Pointing out that Horikoshi ultimately decided against Midoriya being a Quirkless hero for this very reason and finally argue that a Quirkless Izuku would have been seriously {{overshadowed|ByAwesome}} by his Quirk-wielding classmates.
** Then, there's a third camp (though not as loud or visible) that sits on an awkward middle ground between the previous two: : those who believe that, like the first group, Midoriya should have stayed Quirkless, but like the second group, agree that MHA's current plot, My Hero Academia as it is, with its high stakes SaveTheWorld plot and [[StoryBreakerPower overpowered villains with {{Story Breaker Power}}s running amok]] simply wouldn't work with a BadassNormal protagonist and would require to [[JustForPun overhaul]] the entire series in order to accommodate for such kind of main character, drastic and radical changes, but argue that a more grounded plot with lower stakes and a smaller power scale would have made for a more interesting story.
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* The treatment of the series' female characters has come under increased scrutiny starting from the Meta Liberation Army Arc. During the battle between the League of Villains and the MLA, not only is Curious the only major member of the MLA to die, but she dies an incredibly graphic CruelAndUnusualDeath when Toga uses Uraraka's Quirk to send her floating in the air before dropping Curious to the ground so hard she is reduced to a bloody smear. Then, during the following Paranormal Liberation War Arc, not only does Mirko get [[FanDisservice brutally maimed and dismembered]], but Midnight, one of the only main pro heroines and teachers, is KilledOffscreen by some minor villains with little to no fanfare and is [[ForgottenFallenFriend barely mentioned again afterwards]] despite her bond with Aizawa and Present Mic being a major plot point up to this point, and she was the ''only'' major hero to die outside of a bunch of redshirts. Compare this to how the male Sir Nighteye was given a more dignified tear-jerking death scene in a hospital bed surrounded by his loved ones. He was also brought up a few times after his death and his absence from the story actually affected the plot; with Midoriya having to intern under Endeavor due to his agency still being in the turnover phase. Some have also pointed out that Gran Torino managed to survive a much more graphic injury we actually see despite the fact that his death would have carried more emotional weight due to his connection with central characters, Midoriya and All Might specifically. Perhaps the biggest controversy was Star and Stripe, who was suddenly introduced with a StoryBreakerPower Quirk hyped up as a bigger deal than One For All, only to suffer a relatively inconsequential death just a few chapters later purely to show how powerful Shigaraki has become, leaving debates about whether or not her single fight was worth its time. Detractors see this as blatant sexism and "fridging" in an artificial attempt to shock the viewers and raise the stakes, while supporters claim that it's realistic that just because a character is a woman doesn't mean they're exempt from injury and even death in an action series like this. Yet another party feels that the characters were [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter too underutilized]] for their deaths/injuries to have impact and wishes their stories and relationships with other characters had been better fleshed our first.

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* The treatment of the series' female characters has come under increased scrutiny starting from the Meta Liberation Army Arc. During the battle between the League of Villains and the MLA, not only is Curious the only major member of the MLA to die, but she dies an incredibly graphic CruelAndUnusualDeath when Toga uses Uraraka's Quirk to send her floating in the air before dropping Curious to the ground so hard she is reduced to a bloody smear. Then, during the following Paranormal Liberation War Arc, not only does Mirko get [[FanDisservice brutally maimed and dismembered]], but Midnight, one of the only main pro heroines and teachers, is KilledOffscreen by some minor villains with little to no fanfare and is [[ForgottenFallenFriend barely mentioned again afterwards]] despite her bond with Aizawa and Present Mic being a major plot point up to this point, and she was the ''only'' major hero to die outside of a bunch of redshirts. Compare this to how the male Sir Nighteye was given a more dignified tear-jerking death scene in a hospital bed surrounded by his loved ones. He was also brought up a few times after his death and his absence from the story actually affected the plot; with Midoriya having to intern under Endeavor due to his agency still being in the turnover phase. Some have also pointed out that Gran Torino managed to survive a much more graphic injury we actually see despite the fact that his death would have carried more emotional weight due to his connection with central characters, Midoriya and All Might specifically. Perhaps the biggest controversy was Star and Stripe, who was suddenly introduced with a StoryBreakerPower Quirk hyped up as a bigger deal than One For All, only to suffer a relatively inconsequential death just a few chapters later purely to show how powerful Shigaraki has become, leaving debates about whether or not her single fight was worth its time. Detractors see this as blatant sexism and "fridging" "[[StuffedIntoTheFridge fridging]]" in an artificial attempt to shock the viewers and raise the stakes, while supporters claim that it's realistic that just because a character is a woman doesn't mean they're exempt from injury and even death in an action series like this. Yet another party feels that the characters were [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter too underutilized]] for their deaths/injuries to have impact and wishes their stories and relationships with other characters had been better fleshed our out first.
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* The treatment of the series' female characters has come under increased scrutiny starting from the Meta Liberation Army Arc. During the battle between the League of Villains and the MLA, not only is Curious the only major member of the MLA to die, but she dies an incredibly graphic CruelAndUnusualDeath when Toga uses Uraraka's Quirk to send her floating in the air before dropping Curious to the ground so hard she is reduced to a bloody smear. Then, during the following Paranormal Liberation War Arc, not only does Mirko get [[FanDisservice brutally maimed and dismembered]], but Midnight, one of the only main pro heroines and teachers, is KilledOffscreen by some minor villains with little to no fanfare and is [[ForgottenFallenFriend barely mentioned again afterwards]] despite her bond with Aizawa and Present Mic being a major plot point up to this point, and she was the ''only'' major hero to die outside of a bunch of redshirts. Compare this to how the male Sir Nighteye was given a more dignified tear-jerking death scene in a hospital bed surrounded by his loved ones. He was also brought up a few times after his death and his absence from the story actually affected the plot; with Midoriya having to intern under Endeavor due to his agency still being in the turnover phase. Some have also pointed out that Gran Torino managed to survive a much more graphic injury we actually see despite the fact that his death would have carried more emotional weight due to his connection with central characters, Midoriya and All Might specifically. Perhaps the biggest controversy was Star and Stripe, who was suddenly introduced with a StoryBreakerPower Quirk hyped up as a bigger deal than One For All, only to suffer a relatively inconsequential death just a few chapters later, leaving debates about whether or not her single fight was worth its time. Detractors see this as blatant sexism and "fridging" in an artificial attempt to shock the viewers and raise the stakes, while supporters claim that it's realistic that just because a character is a woman doesn't mean they're exempt from injury and even death in an action series like this. Yet another party feels that the characters were [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter too underutilized]] for their deaths/injuries to have impact and wishes their stories and relationships with other characters had been better fleshed our first.

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* The treatment of the series' female characters has come under increased scrutiny starting from the Meta Liberation Army Arc. During the battle between the League of Villains and the MLA, not only is Curious the only major member of the MLA to die, but she dies an incredibly graphic CruelAndUnusualDeath when Toga uses Uraraka's Quirk to send her floating in the air before dropping Curious to the ground so hard she is reduced to a bloody smear. Then, during the following Paranormal Liberation War Arc, not only does Mirko get [[FanDisservice brutally maimed and dismembered]], but Midnight, one of the only main pro heroines and teachers, is KilledOffscreen by some minor villains with little to no fanfare and is [[ForgottenFallenFriend barely mentioned again afterwards]] despite her bond with Aizawa and Present Mic being a major plot point up to this point, and she was the ''only'' major hero to die outside of a bunch of redshirts. Compare this to how the male Sir Nighteye was given a more dignified tear-jerking death scene in a hospital bed surrounded by his loved ones. He was also brought up a few times after his death and his absence from the story actually affected the plot; with Midoriya having to intern under Endeavor due to his agency still being in the turnover phase. Some have also pointed out that Gran Torino managed to survive a much more graphic injury we actually see despite the fact that his death would have carried more emotional weight due to his connection with central characters, Midoriya and All Might specifically. Perhaps the biggest controversy was Star and Stripe, who was suddenly introduced with a StoryBreakerPower Quirk hyped up as a bigger deal than One For All, only to suffer a relatively inconsequential death just a few chapters later, later purely to show how powerful Shigaraki has become, leaving debates about whether or not her single fight was worth its time. Detractors see this as blatant sexism and "fridging" in an artificial attempt to shock the viewers and raise the stakes, while supporters claim that it's realistic that just because a character is a woman doesn't mean they're exempt from injury and even death in an action series like this. Yet another party feels that the characters were [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter too underutilized]] for their deaths/injuries to have impact and wishes their stories and relationships with other characters had been better fleshed our first.
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** Those who oppose that idea, however, argue that Midoriya is forced to learn how to use One For All, turning it from an AwesomeButImpractical ability that breaks his bones to a power he can use as effectively as All Might once did, leaving him room for growth, and argue that it would be unrealistic to expect a Quirkless Midoriya to be able to effectively fight against villains who have mastered their Quirks, some being downright [[StoryBreakerPower overpowered]] , and would just end up being [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomped by most of his opponents]] [[labelnote:*]]Such as Muscular, Overhaul, Shigaraki, All for One, Bakugo, Shoto,... [[/labelnote]] or [[AssPull beating them in ways that would be unsatisfying]], pointing out that Horikoshi ultimately decided against Midoriya being a Quirkless hero for this very reason and argue that a Quirkless Izuku wouldn't be able to keep up his Quirk-wielding classmates and would just be seriously {{overshadowed|ByAwesome}} by them.

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** Those who oppose that idea, however, argue that Midoriya is forced to learn how to use One For All, turning it from an AwesomeButImpractical ability that breaks his bones to a power he can use as effectively as All Might once did, leaving him room for growth, and argue that it would be unrealistic to expect a Quirkless Midoriya to be able to effectively fight against villains who have mastered their Quirks, some being downright [[StoryBreakerPower overpowered]] , and would just end up being [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomped by most of his opponents]] [[labelnote:*]]Such as Muscular, Overhaul, Shigaraki, All for One, Bakugo, Shoto,... [[/labelnote]] or [[AssPull beating them in ways that would be unsatisfying]], pointing out that Horikoshi ultimately decided against Midoriya being a Quirkless hero for this very reason and finally argue that a Quirkless Izuku wouldn't be able to keep up his Quirk-wielding classmates and would just be have been seriously {{overshadowed|ByAwesome}} by them.his Quirk-wielding classmates.



** Detractors, mainly those who were getting tired of overpowered protagonists in battle shonen, dislike how Midoriya and Shigaraki ended up leaving the other characters [[CantCatchUp behind and make them irrelevant]], a problem that’s plagued other shonen series like ''{{Franchise/Dragon Ball}}'' and ''{{Franchise/Naruto}}'', they point out that most of Midoriya's new quirks could either be replaced with support gears or by simply refining One for All and criticize how rushed his mastery of them ended up being. Said criticism carrying over to Shigaraki as well, with some fearing that he became a InvincibleVillain that easily [[CurbStompBattle curbstomped most of the heroes in the final arc, including Bakugo, ]]with Midoriya being the only one who managed to land serious damage to him, and ultimately argue that this is a clear problem of PowerCreep rearing its head on a manga that managed to avoid it, that neither Shigaraki or Midoriya needed to be that powerful and that many fan-favorites will now be left in the dust.
** Supporters, however, are excited about this twist, saying that it introduced an interesting new conflict for Midoriya, making his fights more varied and exciting, citing Black Whip as a great example of versatility, argue that his wits allows many possibilities for him to grow further, his quirks ending up not being that powerful outside of Gear Shift and Fa Jin and that some of his quirks are so simple [[labelnote:*]] Like Smokescreen, that simply allows its user to generate fog, of Fa Jin, which create kinetic energy through repeated movements. [[/labelnote]] that dedicating arcs to all of them would needlessly pad things out. They also pointed out that it's completely logical for the Quirks of previous One For All users to be merged into it, since the merger of an existing Quirk with an acquired one is how One For All came into existence in the first place, and that it was obviously necessary for Shigaraki to get power-ups if he's going to still be a threat even after Midoriya masters One For All. PowerCreep or not, it means that now even after mastering One For All it'll take more than a simple SpeedBlitz to defeat Shigaraki. They finally point out that Midoriya isn't invincible despite his new quirks and can't be everywhere either, allowing the supporting cast to shine and that the complaints of side characters being irrelevant are overblown.

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** Detractors, mainly those who were getting tired of overpowered protagonists in battle shonen, dislike how Midoriya and Shigaraki ended up leaving the other characters [[CantCatchUp behind and make made them irrelevant]], a problem that’s plagued other shonen series like ''{{Franchise/Dragon Ball}}'' and ''{{Franchise/Naruto}}'', they point out that most of Midoriya's new quirks could either be replaced with support gears or by simply refining One for All and criticize how rushed his mastery of them ended up being. Said criticism carrying over to Shigaraki as well, with some fearing that he became a InvincibleVillain that easily [[CurbStompBattle curbstomped most of the heroes in the final arc, including Bakugo, ]]with Midoriya being the only one who managed to land serious damage to him, and ultimately argue that this is a clear problem of PowerCreep rearing its head on a manga that managed to avoid it, that neither Shigaraki or Midoriya needed to be that powerful and that many fan-favorites [[EnsembleDarkhorse fan-favorites]] will now be left in the dust.
** Supporters, however, are excited about this twist, saying that it introduced an interesting new conflict for Midoriya, making his fights more varied and exciting, citing Black Whip as a great example of versatility, argue that [[BookSmart his wits allows many possibilities for him to grow further, further,]] his quirks ending up not being that powerful outside of Gear Shift and Fa Jin and that some of his quirks are so simple [[labelnote:*]] Like [[BoringButPractical Smokescreen, that simply allows its user to generate fog, fog,]] of Fa Jin, which create kinetic energy through repeated movements. [[/labelnote]] that [[ArcFatigue dedicating arcs to all of them would needlessly pad things out. out.]] They also pointed out that it's completely logical for the Quirks of previous One For All users to be merged into it, since the merger of an existing Quirk with an acquired one is how One For All came into existence in the first place, and that it was obviously necessary for Shigaraki to get power-ups if he's going to still be a threat even after Midoriya masters One For All. PowerCreep or not, it means that now even after mastering One For All it'll take more than a simple SpeedBlitz to defeat Shigaraki. They finally point out that Midoriya isn't invincible despite his new quirks and can't be everywhere either, allowing the supporting cast to shine and that the complaints of side characters being irrelevant are overblown.

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* The reveal that Midoriya will eventually receive the Quirks of all the previous One For All users practically fractured the fandom. Some fans fear that Midoriya will become another overpowered protagonist that will leave the other characters [[CantCatchUp behind]] and make them irrelevant, a problem that’s plagued other shonen series like ''{{Franchise/Dragon Ball}}'' and ''{{Franchise/Naruto}}''. Other fans are excited about this twist, saying that it could introduce an interesting new conflict for Midoriya and make his fights more varied and exciting. There’s also a third subset of fans who, while concerned about this turn of events, want to wait and see how Horikoshi will incorporate the twist into the story before judging. This was compounded with Shigaraki getting more powerful in the Meta Liberation Army Arc, followed by The Doctor giving him the original All For One Quirk while augmenting his body further in the Paranormal Liberation War Arc. While some think that this is a clear problem of PowerCreep rearing its head on a manga that managed to avoid it, others are excited at the prospect of the awesome fight that will result from it. In the latter group, some of have pointed out that it's completely logical for the Quirks of previous One For All users to be merged into it, since the merger of an existing Quirk with an acquired one is how One For All came into existence in the first place, and that it was obviously necessary for Shigaraki to get power-ups if he's going to still be a threat even after Midoriya masters One For All. PowerCreep or not, it means that now even after mastering One For All it'll take more than a simple SpeedBlitz to defeat Shigaraki.

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* The reveal that Power escalation of the series with Midoriya will [[AllYourPowersCombined eventually receive receiving the Quirks of all the previous One For All users practically fractured the fandom. Some fans fear that Midoriya will become another overpowered protagonist that will leave the other characters [[CantCatchUp behind]] users]] and make them irrelevant, a problem that’s plagued other shonen series like ''{{Franchise/Dragon Ball}}'' and ''{{Franchise/Naruto}}''. Other fans are excited about this twist, saying that it could introduce an interesting new conflict for Midoriya and make his fights more varied and exciting. There’s also a third subset of fans who, while concerned about this turn of events, want to wait and see how Horikoshi will incorporate the twist into the story before judging. This was compounded with Shigaraki getting more powerful in the Meta Liberation Army Arc, followed by with The Doctor giving him the original All For One Quirk while augmenting his body further in the Paranormal Liberation War Arc. While Arc practically fractured the fandom:
** Detractors, mainly those who were getting tired of overpowered protagonists in battle shonen, dislike how Midoriya and Shigaraki ended up leaving the other characters [[CantCatchUp behind and make them irrelevant]], a problem that’s plagued other shonen series like ''{{Franchise/Dragon Ball}}'' and ''{{Franchise/Naruto}}'', they point out that most of Midoriya's new quirks could either be replaced with support gears or by simply refining One for All and criticize how rushed his mastery of them ended up being. Said criticism carrying over to Shigaraki as well, with
some think fearing that he became a InvincibleVillain that easily [[CurbStompBattle curbstomped most of the heroes in the final arc, including Bakugo, ]]with Midoriya being the only one who managed to land serious damage to him, and ultimately argue that this is a clear problem of PowerCreep rearing its head on a manga that managed to avoid it, others that neither Shigaraki or Midoriya needed to be that powerful and that many fan-favorites will now be left in the dust.
**Supporters, however,
are excited at the prospect of the awesome fight about this twist, saying that will result from it. In the latter group, it introduced an interesting new conflict for Midoriya, making his fights more varied and exciting, citing Black Whip as a great example of versatility, argue that his wits allows many possibilities for him to grow further, his quirks ending up not being that powerful outside of Gear Shift and Fa Jin and that some of have his quirks are so simple [[labelnote:*]] Like Smokescreen, that simply allows its user to generate fog, of Fa Jin, which create kinetic energy through repeated movements. [[/labelnote]] that dedicating arcs to all of them would needlessly pad things out. They also pointed out that it's completely logical for the Quirks of previous One For All users to be merged into it, since the merger of an existing Quirk with an acquired one is how One For All came into existence in the first place, and that it was obviously necessary for Shigaraki to get power-ups if he's going to still be a threat even after Midoriya masters One For All. PowerCreep or not, it means that now even after mastering One For All it'll take more than a simple SpeedBlitz to defeat Shigaraki. They finally point out that Midoriya isn't invincible despite his new quirks and can't be everywhere either, allowing the supporting cast to shine and that the complaints of side characters being irrelevant are overblown.
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** Those who oppose that idea, however, argue that Midoriya is forced to learn how to use One For All, turning it from an AwesomeButImpractical ability that breaks his bones to a power he can use as effectively as All Might once did, leaving him room for growth, and argue that it would be unrealistic to expect a Quirkless Midoriya to be able to effectively fight against villains who have mastered their Quirks, some being downright [[StoryBreakerPower overpowered]] , and would just end up being [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomped by most of his opponents]] [[labelnote:*]]Such as Muscular, Overhaul, Shigaraki, All for One, Bakugo, Shoto,... [[/labelnote]] or [[AssPull beating them in ways that would be unsatisfying]], pointing out that Horikoshi ultimately decided against Midoriya being a Quirkless hero for this very reason and finally argue that a Quirkless Izuku would have been seriously {{overshadowed|ByAwesome}} by his Quirk-wielding classmates.

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** Those who oppose that idea, however, argue that Midoriya is forced to learn how to use One For All, turning it from an AwesomeButImpractical ability that breaks his bones to a power he can use as effectively as All Might once did, leaving him room for growth, and argue that it would be unrealistic to expect a Quirkless Midoriya to be able to effectively fight against villains who have mastered their Quirks, some being downright [[StoryBreakerPower overpowered]] , and would just end up being [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomped by most of his opponents]] [[labelnote:*]]Such as Muscular, Overhaul, Shigaraki, All for One, Bakugo, Shoto,... [[/labelnote]] or [[AssPull beating them in ways that would be unsatisfying]], pointing out that Horikoshi ultimately decided against Midoriya being a Quirkless hero for this very reason and finally argue that a Quirkless Izuku wouldn't be able to keep up his Quirk-wielding classmates and would have been just be seriously {{overshadowed|ByAwesome}} by his Quirk-wielding classmates.them.
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* One of the longest-running debates is whether the story would have been better if Midoriya had never gotten One For All:
** Detractors consider Midoriya receiving One For All a case in which the hero gets powerups handed to him, and would have preferred seeing Izuku become a great hero despite being Quirkless, often citing other characters that ''have'' Quirks but [[FightsLikeANormal functionally fight as if Quirkless]] due to the limitations they have, Aizawa[[labelnote:*]]His "Erasure" only erases a Quirk so long as he doesn't blink, and as such is very fast and agile, being compared to a {{ninja}} InUniverse.[[/labelnote]] and Stain[[labelnote:*]]His "Bloodcurdle" only works if he can ''ingest'' his targets blood, so he needs to be able to ''cut'' them first, hence his use of bladed weapons and extreme manueverability.[[/labelnote]] in particular being mentioned. They also point out that Midoriya becoming a famous hero with such unfavorable odds would have been a more inspiring tale than Midoriya becoming a great hero because he was lucky to meet somebody who gave him an overpowered Quirk. It does not help that a lot of official plot summaries and advertisements for MHA often [[NeverTrustATrailer describe the premise in ways that make it sound like Midoriya will stay Quirkless]], meaning a good number of viewers and readers get into the series expecting that only to end up disappointed.
** Fans, however, argue that Midoriya is forced to learn how to use One For All, turning it from an AwesomeButImpractical ability that breaks his bones to a power he can use as effectively as All Might once did, leaving him room for growth, and argue that it would be unrealistic to expect a Quirkless Midoriya to be able to effectively fight against villains who have mastered their Quirks, some being downright [[StoryBreakerPower overpowered]] , and would just end up being [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomped by most of his opponents]] [[labelnote:*]]Such as Muscular, Overhaul, Shigaraki, All for One, Bakugo, Shoto,... [[/labelnote]] or [[AssPull beating them in ways that would be unsatisfying]], pointing out that Horikoshi ultimately decided against Midoriya being a Quirkless hero for this very reason and finally argue that a Quirkless Izuku would have been seriously {{overshadowed|ByAwesome}} by his Quirk-wielding classmates.
** There is, however, a third camp (though not as loud or visible) that sits on an awkward middle ground between the previous two: those who believe that, like the first group, Midoriya should have stayed Quirkless, but like the second group, agree that MHA's current plot, with its high stakes and overpowered villains with {{Story Breaker Power}}s simply wouldn't work with a BadassNormal protagonist and would require to [[JustForPun overhaul]] the entire series in order to accommodate for such kind of main character, but argue that a plot with lower stakes and a smaller power scale would have made for a more interesting story.

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* One of the longest-running debates is whether the story would have been better if Midoriya had never gotten One For All:
stayed Quirkless :
** Detractors Those who support this idea, consider Midoriya receiving One For All a case in which the hero gets powerups handed to him, and would have preferred seeing Izuku become a great hero despite being Quirkless, often citing other characters that ''have'' Quirks but [[FightsLikeANormal functionally fight as if Quirkless]] due to the limitations they have, Aizawa[[labelnote:*]]His "Erasure" only erases a Quirk so long as he doesn't blink, and as such is very fast and agile, being compared to a {{ninja}} InUniverse.[[/labelnote]] and Stain[[labelnote:*]]His "Bloodcurdle" only works if he can ''ingest'' his targets blood, so he needs to be able to ''cut'' them first, hence his use of bladed weapons and extreme manueverability.[[/labelnote]] in particular being mentioned. They also point out that Midoriya becoming a famous hero with such unfavorable odds would have been a more inspiring tale than Midoriya becoming a great hero because he was lucky to meet somebody who gave him an overpowered Quirk. It does not help that a lot of official plot summaries and advertisements for MHA often [[NeverTrustATrailer describe the premise in ways that make it sound like Midoriya will stay Quirkless]], meaning a good number of viewers and readers get into the series expecting that only to end up disappointed.
** Fans, Those who oppose that idea, however, argue that Midoriya is forced to learn how to use One For All, turning it from an AwesomeButImpractical ability that breaks his bones to a power he can use as effectively as All Might once did, leaving him room for growth, and argue that it would be unrealistic to expect a Quirkless Midoriya to be able to effectively fight against villains who have mastered their Quirks, some being downright [[StoryBreakerPower overpowered]] , and would just end up being [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomped by most of his opponents]] [[labelnote:*]]Such as Muscular, Overhaul, Shigaraki, All for One, Bakugo, Shoto,... [[/labelnote]] or [[AssPull beating them in ways that would be unsatisfying]], pointing out that Horikoshi ultimately decided against Midoriya being a Quirkless hero for this very reason and finally argue that a Quirkless Izuku would have been seriously {{overshadowed|ByAwesome}} by his Quirk-wielding classmates.
** There is, however, Then, there's a third camp (though not as loud or visible) that sits on an awkward middle ground between the previous two: those who believe that, like the first group, Midoriya should have stayed Quirkless, but like the second group, agree that MHA's current plot, with its high stakes and overpowered villains with {{Story Breaker Power}}s simply wouldn't work with a BadassNormal protagonist and would require to [[JustForPun overhaul]] the entire series in order to accommodate for such kind of main character, but argue that a plot with lower stakes and a smaller power scale would have made for a more interesting story.
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** There is, however, a third camp (though not as loud or visible) that sits on an awkward middle ground between the previous two: those who believe that, like the first group, Midoriya should have stayed Quirkless, but like the second group, agree that MHA's current plot, with its high stakes and overpowered villains with {{Story Breaker Power}}s simply wouldn't work with a BadassNormal protagonist and would require to [[JustForPun overhaul]] the entire series in order to accomodate for such kind of main character, but argue that a plot with lower stakes and a smaller power scale would have made for a more interesting story.

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** There is, however, a third camp (though not as loud or visible) that sits on an awkward middle ground between the previous two: those who believe that, like the first group, Midoriya should have stayed Quirkless, but like the second group, agree that MHA's current plot, with its high stakes and overpowered villains with {{Story Breaker Power}}s simply wouldn't work with a BadassNormal protagonist and would require to [[JustForPun overhaul]] the entire series in order to accomodate accommodate for such kind of main character, but argue that a plot with lower stakes and a smaller power scale would have made for a more interesting story.



* Bakugo's character arc is polarizing for the same reasons that Endeavor's is. Some appreciate that he's becoming a better person over time. Others are unhappy that he hasn't faced direct punishment for his past misdeeds. [[labelnote:To elaborate]]Few, if any people, would argue that Bakugo's youth completely excuses his bullying Midoriya, but his immaturity combined with adults and peers fueling his ego would explain his attitude.[[/labelnote]] The biggest point of contention is a scene from the first chapter in which Bakugo tells Midoriya to jump off a roof and hope he gets reincarnated with a Quirk. Some viewers think of this behavior as unacceptably vile, and are disgusted at him [[spoiler:for not apologizing until Chapter 322]], while others are willing to look past it, brushing it off as ValuesDissonance (due to Japan's more laissez-faire attitude toward bullying compared to the West) or EarlyInstallmentWeirdness (as it's far more extreme than anything he's done in later chapters, and the incident is ignored by the narrative). For what it's worth, Horikoshi himself views the scene as an OldShame and has mentioned in an interview that he regrets having Bakugo go that far.

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* Bakugo's character arc is polarizing for the same reasons that Endeavor's is. Some appreciate that he's becoming a better person over time. Others are unhappy that he hasn't faced direct punishment for his past misdeeds. [[labelnote:To elaborate]]Few, if any people, would argue that Bakugo's youth completely excuses his bullying Midoriya, but his immaturity combined with adults and peers fueling his ego would explain his attitude.[[/labelnote]] The biggest point of contention is a scene from the first chapter in which Bakugo tells Midoriya to jump off a roof and hope he gets reincarnated with a Quirk. Some viewers think of this behavior as unacceptably vile, and are disgusted at him [[spoiler:for for not apologizing until Chapter 322]], 322, while others are willing to look past it, brushing it off as ValuesDissonance (due to Japan's more laissez-faire attitude toward bullying compared to the West) or EarlyInstallmentWeirdness (as it's far more extreme than anything he's done in later chapters, and the incident is ignored by the narrative). For what it's worth, Horikoshi himself views the scene as an OldShame and has mentioned in an interview that he regrets having Bakugo go that far.



* The Internship Arc has become one of the most controversial parts of the story, with many people calling it either the best or worst arc in the entire series. Those who love it often praise the darker tone and greater focus on the villains and their relationship with others, as well as the intense and emotional battles throughout the arc, and the fact that [[spoiler:it has the series' first character death]]. Detractors of the arc often bring up how the main cast is almost entirely sidelined in favor of characters who have just been introduced, taking away some of the impacts of higher stakes, the awkward pacing and ArcFatigue, and the entirety of the heroines' role in the story being relegated to half a chapter. Additionally, despite his amazing introduction, [[spoiler:Overhaul's entire organization is destroyed in the span of a single operation, making him look completely incompetent, and immediately after has his arms removed by the League of Villains, who were able to win their short-lived "rivalry" by leaving all the work to the heroes]]. However, the base is less broken with regards to the ending of the arc, which both fans and detractors agree to be rushed.

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* The Internship Arc has become one of the most controversial parts of the story, with many people calling it either the best or worst arc in the entire series. Those who love it often praise the darker tone and greater focus on the villains and their relationship with others, as well as the intense and emotional battles throughout the arc, and the fact that [[spoiler:it it has the series' first character death]].death. Detractors of the arc often bring up how the main cast is almost entirely sidelined in favor of characters who have just been introduced, taking away some of the impacts of higher stakes, the awkward pacing and ArcFatigue, and the entirety of the heroines' role in the story being relegated to half a chapter. Additionally, despite his amazing introduction, [[spoiler:Overhaul's Overhaul's entire organization is destroyed in the span of a single operation, making him look completely incompetent, and immediately after has his arms removed by the League of Villains, who were able to win their short-lived "rivalry" by leaving all the work to the heroes]].heroes. However, the base is less broken with regards to the ending of the arc, which both fans and detractors agree to be rushed.



* The reveal that Midoriya [[spoiler:will eventually receive the Quirks of all the previous One For All users]] practically fractured the fandom. Some fans fear that Midoriya will become another overpowered protagonist that will leave the other characters [[CantCatchUp behind]] and make them irrelevant, a problem that’s plagued other shonen series like ''{{Franchise/Dragon Ball}}'' and ''{{Franchise/Naruto}}''. Other fans are excited about this twist, saying that it could introduce an interesting new conflict for Midoriya and make his fights more varied and exciting. There’s also a third subset of fans who, while concerned about this turn of events, want to wait and see how Horikoshi will incorporate the twist into the story before judging. This was compounded with [[spoiler:Shigaraki getting more powerful in the Meta Liberation Army Arc, followed by The Doctor giving him the original All For One Quirk while augmenting his body further in the Paranormal Liberation War Arc]]. While some think that this is a clear problem of PowerCreep rearing its head on a manga that managed to avoid it, others are excited at the prospect of the awesome fight that will result from it. In the latter group, some of have pointed out that it's completely logical for [[spoiler:the Quirks of previous One For All users to be merged into it, since the merger of an existing Quirk with an acquired one is how One For All came into existence in the first place]], and that it was obviously necessary [[spoiler:for Shigaraki to get power-ups if he's going to still be a threat even after Midoriya masters One For All. PowerCreep or not, it means that now even after mastering One For All it'll take more than a simple SpeedBlitz to defeat Shigaraki]].

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* The reveal that Midoriya [[spoiler:will will eventually receive the Quirks of all the previous One For All users]] users practically fractured the fandom. Some fans fear that Midoriya will become another overpowered protagonist that will leave the other characters [[CantCatchUp behind]] and make them irrelevant, a problem that’s plagued other shonen series like ''{{Franchise/Dragon Ball}}'' and ''{{Franchise/Naruto}}''. Other fans are excited about this twist, saying that it could introduce an interesting new conflict for Midoriya and make his fights more varied and exciting. There’s also a third subset of fans who, while concerned about this turn of events, want to wait and see how Horikoshi will incorporate the twist into the story before judging. This was compounded with [[spoiler:Shigaraki Shigaraki getting more powerful in the Meta Liberation Army Arc, followed by The Doctor giving him the original All For One Quirk while augmenting his body further in the Paranormal Liberation War Arc]].Arc. While some think that this is a clear problem of PowerCreep rearing its head on a manga that managed to avoid it, others are excited at the prospect of the awesome fight that will result from it. In the latter group, some of have pointed out that it's completely logical for [[spoiler:the the Quirks of previous One For All users to be merged into it, since the merger of an existing Quirk with an acquired one is how One For All came into existence in the first place]], place, and that it was obviously necessary [[spoiler:for for Shigaraki to get power-ups if he's going to still be a threat even after Midoriya masters One For All. PowerCreep or not, it means that now even after mastering One For All it'll take more than a simple SpeedBlitz to defeat Shigaraki]].Shigaraki.



** Supporters of Hawks frame the issue more as [[spoiler:extremely important (i.e. world-protecting) intelligence work culminating in Hawks [[DontMakeMeDestroyYou regretfully using lethal force]] out of necessity.]] In fact, Hawks had given Twice the chance to surrender peacefully, when it would have been easier to immediately go in for the kill, something Hawks only resorts to after Dabi shows up and nearly kills Hawks. They point out that, regardless of how AffablyEvil and mentally unwell he is, Twice is guilty of multiple instances of murder and attempted murder (both personally and through his doubles) while having complete loyalty to a group of terrorists planning the ''downfall of society''. Hawks advocates specify that pitying Twice's rough past shouldn't mean handling a literal OneManArmy (capable of him cloning individuals like [[TheJuggernaut Gigantomachia]], [[HulkingOut Re-Destro]], or [[PowerParasite Shigaraki]] himself) with kid gloves, much less one who attacked you first. Especially taking into account that one of Twice's last actions was fatally stabbing a hero in the back of the head to protect the gleefully psychotic Toga. Some go so far as to commend Hawks for [[PragmaticHero making the tough decision and putting the lives of thousands above his own moral comfort]]. Hawks supporters also note that Dabi's sympathy for Twice comes off as rather disingenuous, considering that Hawks notices that Dabi is not actually grieving for Twice's death, and Dabi later uses footage of Hawks killing Twice in order to further undermine the public's faith in heroes, implying that Dabi considers Twice a convenient tool rather than a comrade. Compare how Hawks regrets killing Twice, and privately expresses sympathy for Twice.
* The revelation that Aoyama is the U.A. traitor has also caused some division. Mostly in how it was executed rather than who it turned out to be. For starters, the entire subplot itself was seemingly forgotten about after the Kamino Arc and the cliffhanger that led readers to believe Hagakure had been the traitor just seemed like a rug pull for the sake of it in hindsight. Additionally, the discovery of the traitor's identity was via [[AssPull the sheer coincidence of Hagakure happening upon Aoyama with his parents,]] making it come off as an all too convenient plot device to use against All for One. Then there's the fact that this whole revelation happened in the final arc long after anything significant came of the subplot, with Aoyama ratting out the location of the summer training camp being the last intel he conveyed. Which some redditors [[https://www.reddit.com/r/BokuNoHeroAcademia/comments/s36re0/the_traitor_arc_was_disappointing_rant/ point out could have been accomplished/explained with one of All For One's numerous quirks just as easily]]. Not helping matters was how quickly the situation blew over and how EasilyForgiven Aoyama was after Class 1A found out about it with Hagakure, Bakugou, Present Mic, and Tsukauchi arguably having the most realistic reactions out of anyone there. Bafflingly, Aizawa claims he has no intention of expelling Aoyama for his endangering of the entire class recognizing that it's his own fault for not paying closer attention to his students. Yet he had no qualms about expelling the five who went about saving Bakugou as well as the other students who knew of their plan on the mere basis of not being licensed to do hero work just yet. [[labelnote:*]] A move that was already a sore spot for a lot of people who feel that this is a flaw in the Hero system that discourages students from doing the job they're being trained for even in instances where the qualified heroes fail.[[/labelnote]] Others point out that rather than being an active traitor, Aoyama was told to leak information when ordered to and was more or less allowed to attend as a normal student until he was needed. Doesn't help at all that readers are more divided over the betrayal than Class 1-A themselves.

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** Supporters of Hawks frame the issue more as [[spoiler:extremely extremely important (i.e. world-protecting) intelligence work culminating in Hawks [[DontMakeMeDestroyYou regretfully using lethal force]] out of necessity.]] In fact, Hawks had given Twice the chance to surrender peacefully, when it would have been easier to immediately go in for the kill, something Hawks only resorts to after Dabi shows up and nearly kills Hawks. They point out that, regardless of how AffablyEvil and mentally unwell he is, Twice is guilty of multiple instances of murder and attempted murder (both personally and through his doubles) while having complete loyalty to a group of terrorists planning the ''downfall of society''. Hawks advocates specify that pitying Twice's rough past shouldn't mean handling a literal OneManArmy (capable of him cloning individuals like [[TheJuggernaut Gigantomachia]], [[HulkingOut Re-Destro]], or [[PowerParasite Shigaraki]] himself) with kid gloves, much less one who attacked you first. Especially taking into account that one of Twice's last actions was fatally stabbing a hero in the back of the head to protect the gleefully psychotic Toga. Some go so far as to commend Hawks for [[PragmaticHero making the tough decision and putting the lives of thousands above his own moral comfort]]. Hawks supporters also note that Dabi's sympathy for Twice comes off as rather disingenuous, considering that Hawks notices that Dabi is not actually grieving for Twice's death, and Dabi later uses footage of Hawks killing Twice in order to further undermine the public's faith in heroes, implying that Dabi considers Twice a convenient tool rather than a comrade. Compare how Hawks regrets killing Twice, and privately expresses sympathy for Twice.
* The revelation that Aoyama is the U.A. traitor has also caused some division. Mostly in how it was executed rather than who it turned out to be. For starters, the entire subplot itself was seemingly forgotten about after the Kamino Arc and the cliffhanger that led readers to believe Hagakure had been the traitor just seemed like a rug pull for the sake of it in hindsight. Additionally, the discovery of the traitor's identity was via [[AssPull the sheer coincidence of Hagakure happening upon Aoyama with his parents,]] making it come off as an all too convenient plot device to use against All for One. Then there's the fact that this whole revelation happened in the final arc long after anything significant came of the subplot, with Aoyama ratting out the location of the summer training camp being the last intel he conveyed. Which some redditors [[https://www.reddit.com/r/BokuNoHeroAcademia/comments/s36re0/the_traitor_arc_was_disappointing_rant/ point out could have been accomplished/explained with one of All For One's numerous quirks just as easily]]. Not helping matters was how quickly the situation blew over and how EasilyForgiven Aoyama was after Class 1A found out about it with Hagakure, Bakugou, Bakugo, Present Mic, and Tsukauchi arguably having the most realistic reactions out of anyone there. Bafflingly, Aizawa claims he has no intention of expelling Aoyama for his endangering of the entire class recognizing that it's his own fault for not paying closer attention to his students. Yet he had no qualms about expelling the five who went about saving Bakugou Bakugo as well as the other students who knew of their plan on the mere basis of not being licensed to do hero work just yet. [[labelnote:*]] A move that was already a sore spot for a lot of people who feel that this is a flaw in the Hero system that discourages students from doing the job they're being trained for even in instances where the qualified heroes fail.[[/labelnote]] Others point out that rather than being an active traitor, Aoyama was told to leak information when ordered to and was more or less allowed to attend as a normal student until he was needed. Doesn't help at all that readers are more divided over the betrayal than Class 1-A themselves.
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** There is, however, a third camp (though not as loud or visible) that sits on an awkward middle ground between the previous two: those who believe that, like the first group, Midoriya should have stayed Quirkless, but like the second group, agree that there's no way that MHA's current plot, with its high stakes and overpowered villains with {{Story Breaker Power}}s, would have worked with a BadassNormal protagonist and would require to [[JustForPun overhaul]] the entire series in order to accomodate for such kind of main character, but argue that a plot with lower stakes and a smaller power scale would have made for a more interesting story.

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** There is, however, a third camp (though not as loud or visible) that sits on an awkward middle ground between the previous two: those who believe that, like the first group, Midoriya should have stayed Quirkless, but like the second group, agree that there's no way that MHA's current plot, with its high stakes and overpowered villains with {{Story Breaker Power}}s, would have worked Power}}s simply wouldn't work with a BadassNormal protagonist and would require to [[JustForPun overhaul]] the entire series in order to accomodate for such kind of main character, but argue that a plot with lower stakes and a smaller power scale would have made for a more interesting story.
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* The treatment of the series' female characters has come under increased scrutiny starting from the Meta Liberation Army Arc. During the battle between the League of Villains and the MLA, not only is Curious the only major member of the MLA to die, but she dies an incredibly graphic CruelAndUnusualDeath when Toga uses Uraraka's Quirk to send her floating in the air before dropping Curious to the ground so hard she is reduced to a bloody smear. Then, during the following Paranormal Liberation War Arc, not only does Mirko get [[FanDisservice brutally maimed and dismembered]], but Midnight, one of the only main pro heroines and teachers, is KilledOffscreen by some minor villains with little to no fanfare and is [[ForgottenFallenFriend barely mentioned again afterwards]] despite her bond with Aizawa and Present Mic being a major plot point up to this point, and she was the ''only'' major hero to die outside of a bunch of redshirts. Compare this to how the male Sir Nighteye was given a more dignified tear-jerking death scene in a hospital bed surrounded by his loved ones. He was also brought up a few times after his death and his absence from the story actually affected the plot; with Midoriya having to intern under Endeavor due to his agency still being in the turnover phase. Some have also pointed out that Gran Torino managed to survive a much more graphic injury we actually see despite the fact that his death would have carried more emotional weight due to his connection with central characters, Midoriya and All Might specifically. Perhaps the biggest controversy was Star and Stripe, who was suddenly introduced with a StoryBreakerPower Quirk hyped up as a bigger deal than One For All, only to suffer a relatively inconsequential death just a few chapters later, leaving debates about whether or not her single fight was worth its time. Detractors see this as blatant sexism and "fridging" in an artificial attempt to shock the viewers and raise the stakes, while supporters claim that it's realistic that just because a character is a woman doesn't mean they're exempt from injury and even death in an action series like this.

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* The treatment of the series' female characters has come under increased scrutiny starting from the Meta Liberation Army Arc. During the battle between the League of Villains and the MLA, not only is Curious the only major member of the MLA to die, but she dies an incredibly graphic CruelAndUnusualDeath when Toga uses Uraraka's Quirk to send her floating in the air before dropping Curious to the ground so hard she is reduced to a bloody smear. Then, during the following Paranormal Liberation War Arc, not only does Mirko get [[FanDisservice brutally maimed and dismembered]], but Midnight, one of the only main pro heroines and teachers, is KilledOffscreen by some minor villains with little to no fanfare and is [[ForgottenFallenFriend barely mentioned again afterwards]] despite her bond with Aizawa and Present Mic being a major plot point up to this point, and she was the ''only'' major hero to die outside of a bunch of redshirts. Compare this to how the male Sir Nighteye was given a more dignified tear-jerking death scene in a hospital bed surrounded by his loved ones. He was also brought up a few times after his death and his absence from the story actually affected the plot; with Midoriya having to intern under Endeavor due to his agency still being in the turnover phase. Some have also pointed out that Gran Torino managed to survive a much more graphic injury we actually see despite the fact that his death would have carried more emotional weight due to his connection with central characters, Midoriya and All Might specifically. Perhaps the biggest controversy was Star and Stripe, who was suddenly introduced with a StoryBreakerPower Quirk hyped up as a bigger deal than One For All, only to suffer a relatively inconsequential death just a few chapters later, leaving debates about whether or not her single fight was worth its time. Detractors see this as blatant sexism and "fridging" in an artificial attempt to shock the viewers and raise the stakes, while supporters claim that it's realistic that just because a character is a woman doesn't mean they're exempt from injury and even death in an action series like this. Yet another party feels that the characters were [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter too underutilized]] for their deaths/injuries to have impact and wishes their stories and relationships with other characters had been better fleshed our first.
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* With the series having a ''lot'' of characters, there is some discourse over whether or not the series needs to give ''focus'' to those characters. Many point out that Horikoshi appears to have a knack for creating characters with [[CastOfSnowflakes colorful designs and interesting characterizations]], [[EnsembleDarkhorse many of whom becomes fan-favorites]] and would love for him to give more focus to them and include them more in the narrative, most of them being from 1-A and 1-B in particular, these fans themselves express frustration [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter when they're left to the wayside]], not helped by Horikoshi even stating a desire ''to'' give certain characters more focus, but not seeming to follow through. Conversely, many argue that these characters don't ''need'' to get focus since they're '' side characters'' at the end of the day, that giving [[SpotlightStealingSquad every character focus ends up wasting time that could be spent on the greater narrative or on further developing the main characters]] ,[[labelnote:*]]Midoriya, Bakugo, Todoroki, and Uraraka[[/labelnote]] and that expecting Horikoshi to be able to adequately provide focus to the ''hundreds'' of characters in the series is unrealistic. The final arc in particular furthered this debate, with supporters happy that numerous characters like Shoji, Mina or Nejire were ''finally'' [[ADayInTheLimelight getting time in the spotlight even if only for a chapter or two]] , while detractors saw it as needless detours keeping focus off of the conflicts that ''actually'' need to happen.[[labelnote:*]]Deku vs. Shigaraki, the Heroes fighting All For One, Uravity vs. Toga, and Dabi vs. the Todoroki family.[[/labelnote]] There's also [[TakeAThirdOption other side of argument]], who thinks that these moments while not awful, are half-baked ideas and felt slapped in at the last possible minute, particularly with Nejire, who after over 200 chapters finally received her own backstory, though for many it was too little, too late.

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* With the series having a ''lot'' of characters, there is some discourse over whether or not the series needs to give ''focus'' to those characters. Many point out that Horikoshi appears to have a knack for creating characters with [[CastOfSnowflakes colorful designs and interesting characterizations]], [[EnsembleDarkhorse many of whom becomes fan-favorites]] and would love for him to give more focus to them and include them more in the narrative, most of them being from 1-A and 1-B in particular, these fans themselves express frustration [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter when they're left to the wayside]], not helped by Horikoshi even stating a desire ''to'' give certain characters more focus, but not seeming to follow through. Conversely, many argue that these characters don't ''need'' to get focus since they're '' side characters'' at the end of the day, that giving [[SpotlightStealingSquad every character focus ends up wasting time that could be spent on the greater narrative or on further developing the main characters]] ,[[labelnote:*]]Midoriya, Bakugo, Todoroki, and Uraraka[[/labelnote]] and that expecting Horikoshi to be able to adequately provide focus to the ''hundreds'' of characters in the series is unrealistic. The final arc in particular furthered this debate, with supporters happy that numerous characters like Mezo Shoji, Mina Ashido, or Nejire Hado were ''finally'' [[ADayInTheLimelight getting time in the spotlight even if only for a chapter or two]] , while detractors saw it as needless detours keeping focus off of the conflicts that ''actually'' need to happen.[[labelnote:*]]Deku vs. Shigaraki, the Heroes fighting All For One, Uravity vs. Toga, and Dabi vs. the Todoroki family.[[/labelnote]] There's also [[TakeAThirdOption other side of argument]], Then there are those who thinks that think these moments are, while not awful, are half-baked ideas and felt that feel slapped in at the last possible minute, particularly with Nejire, who after over 200 chapters finally received her own backstory, though for many it was too little, too late.late. And then there are those that, while happy some particular characters got spotlight, want plenty of ''other'' popular characters to not be ignored either, particular EnsembleDarkHorse characters like Hanta Sero, Itsuka Kendo, and Tetsutetsu Tetsutetsu.

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* With the series having a ''lot'' of characters, there is some discourse over whether or not the series needs to give ''focus'' to those characters. Many point out that Horikoshi appears to have a knack for creating characters with [[CastOfSnowflakes colorful designs and interesting characterizations]], [[EnsembleDarkhorse many of whom becomes fan-favorites]] and would love for him to give more focus to them and include them more in the narrative, most of them being from 1-A and 1-B in particular, these fans themselves express frustration [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter when they're left to the wayside]], not helped by Horikoshi even stating a desire ''to'' give certain characters more focus, but not seeming to follow through. Conversely, many argue that these characters don't ''need'' to get focus since they're '' side characters'' at the end of the day, that giving [[SpotlightStealingSquad every character focus ends up wasting time that could be spent on the greater narrative or on further developing the main characters]] ,[[labelnote:*]]Midoriya, Bakugo, Todoroki, and Uraraka[[/labelnote]] and that expecting Horikoshi to be able to adequately provide focus to the ''hundreds'' of characters in the series is unrealistic. The final arc in particular furthered this debate, with supporters happy that numerous characters like Shoji, Mina or Nejire were ''finally'' [[ADayInTheLimelight getting time in the spotlight even if only for a chapter or two]] , while detractors saw it as needless detours keeping focus off of the conflicts that ''actually'' need to happen.[[labelnote:*]]Deku vs. Shigaraki, the Heroes fighting All For One, Uravity vs. Toga, and Dabi vs. the Todoroki family.[[/labelnote]]
There's also [[TakeAThirdOption other side of argument]], who thinks that these moments while not awful, are half-baked ideas, particularly with Nejire, who after over 200 chapters finally received her own backstory, though for many it was too little, too late.

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* With the series having a ''lot'' of characters, there is some discourse over whether or not the series needs to give ''focus'' to those characters. Many point out that Horikoshi appears to have a knack for creating characters with [[CastOfSnowflakes colorful designs and interesting characterizations]], [[EnsembleDarkhorse many of whom becomes fan-favorites]] and would love for him to give more focus to them and include them more in the narrative, most of them being from 1-A and 1-B in particular, these fans themselves express frustration [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter when they're left to the wayside]], not helped by Horikoshi even stating a desire ''to'' give certain characters more focus, but not seeming to follow through. Conversely, many argue that these characters don't ''need'' to get focus since they're '' side characters'' at the end of the day, that giving [[SpotlightStealingSquad every character focus ends up wasting time that could be spent on the greater narrative or on further developing the main characters]] ,[[labelnote:*]]Midoriya, Bakugo, Todoroki, and Uraraka[[/labelnote]] and that expecting Horikoshi to be able to adequately provide focus to the ''hundreds'' of characters in the series is unrealistic. The final arc in particular furthered this debate, with supporters happy that numerous characters like Shoji, Mina or Nejire were ''finally'' [[ADayInTheLimelight getting time in the spotlight even if only for a chapter or two]] , while detractors saw it as needless detours keeping focus off of the conflicts that ''actually'' need to happen.[[labelnote:*]]Deku vs. Shigaraki, the Heroes fighting All For One, Uravity vs. Toga, and Dabi vs. the Todoroki family.[[/labelnote]]
[[/labelnote]] There's also [[TakeAThirdOption other side of argument]], who thinks that these moments while not awful, are half-baked ideas, ideas and felt slapped in at the last possible minute, particularly with Nejire, who after over 200 chapters finally received her own backstory, though for many it was too little, too late.

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* With the series having a ''lot'' of characters, there is some discourse over whether or not the series needs to give ''focus'' to those characters. Many point out that Horikoshi appears to have a knack for creating characters with [[CastOfSnowflakes colorful designs and interesting characterizations]], [[EnsembleDarkhorse many of whom becomes fan-favorites]] and would love for him to give more focus to them and include them more in the narrative, most of them being from 1-A and 1-B in particular, these fans themselves express frustration [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter when they're left to the wayside]], not helped by Horikoshi even stating a desire ''to'' give certain characters more focus, but not seeming to follow through. Conversely, many argue that these characters don't ''need'' to get focus since they're '' side characters'' at the end of the day, that giving [[SpotlightStealingSquad every character focus ends up wasting time that could be spent on the greater narrative or on further developing the main characters]] ,[[labelnote:*]]Midoriya, Bakugo, Todoroki, and Uraraka[[/labelnote]] and that expecting Horikoshi to be able to adequately provide focus to the ''hundreds'' of characters in the series is unrealistic. The final arc in particular furthered this debate, with supporters happy that numerous characters like Shoji and Mina were ''finally'' [[ADayInTheLimelight getting time in the spotlight even if only for a chapter or two]] , while detractors saw it as needless detours keeping focus off of the conflicts that ''actually'' need to happen.[[labelnote:*]]Deku vs. Shigaraki, the Heroes fighting All For One, Uravity vs. Toga, and Dabi vs. the Todoroki family.[[/labelnote]]

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* With the series having a ''lot'' of characters, there is some discourse over whether or not the series needs to give ''focus'' to those characters. Many point out that Horikoshi appears to have a knack for creating characters with [[CastOfSnowflakes colorful designs and interesting characterizations]], [[EnsembleDarkhorse many of whom becomes fan-favorites]] and would love for him to give more focus to them and include them more in the narrative, most of them being from 1-A and 1-B in particular, these fans themselves express frustration [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter when they're left to the wayside]], not helped by Horikoshi even stating a desire ''to'' give certain characters more focus, but not seeming to follow through. Conversely, many argue that these characters don't ''need'' to get focus since they're '' side characters'' at the end of the day, that giving [[SpotlightStealingSquad every character focus ends up wasting time that could be spent on the greater narrative or on further developing the main characters]] ,[[labelnote:*]]Midoriya, Bakugo, Todoroki, and Uraraka[[/labelnote]] and that expecting Horikoshi to be able to adequately provide focus to the ''hundreds'' of characters in the series is unrealistic. The final arc in particular furthered this debate, with supporters happy that numerous characters like Shoji and Shoji, Mina or Nejire were ''finally'' [[ADayInTheLimelight getting time in the spotlight even if only for a chapter or two]] , while detractors saw it as needless detours keeping focus off of the conflicts that ''actually'' need to happen.[[labelnote:*]]Deku vs. Shigaraki, the Heroes fighting All For One, Uravity vs. Toga, and Dabi vs. the Todoroki family.[[/labelnote]][[/labelnote]]
There's also [[TakeAThirdOption other side of argument]], who thinks that these moments while not awful, are half-baked ideas, particularly with Nejire, who after over 200 chapters finally received her own backstory, though for many it was too little, too late.
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* With the series having a ''lot'' of characters, there is some discourse over whether or not the series needs to give ''focus'' to those characters. Many point out that Horikoshi appears to have a knack for creating characters with [[CastOfSnowflakes interesting designs and characterizations]], and would love for him to give more focus to them and include them more in the narrative, some of 1-A and all of Class 1-B in particular being frequently brought up, in turn expressing frustration [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter when they're left to the wayside]], not helped by Horikoshi even stating a desire ''to'' give certain characters more focus, but not seeming to follow through. Conversely, many argue that many of these characters don't ''need'' to get focus when they are minor overall, that giving every character focus ends up wasting time that could be spent on the greater narrative or on further developing the main characters,[[labelnote:*]]Midoriya, Bakugo, Todoroki, and Uraraka[[/labelnote]] and that expecting Horikoshi to be able to adequately provide focus to the ''hundreds'' of characters in the series is unrealistic. The final arc in particular furthered this debate, with supporters happy that numerous characters like Shoji and Mina were ''finally'' getting time in the spotlight even if only for a chapter or two, while detractors saw it as needless detours keeping focus off of the conflicts that ''actually'' need to happen.[[labelnote:*]]Deku vs. Shigaraki, the Heroes fighting All For One, Uravity vs. Toga, and Dabi vs. the Todoroki family.[[/labelnote]]

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* With the series having a ''lot'' of characters, there is some discourse over whether or not the series needs to give ''focus'' to those characters. Many point out that Horikoshi appears to have a knack for creating characters with [[CastOfSnowflakes colorful designs and interesting designs and characterizations]], [[EnsembleDarkhorse many of whom becomes fan-favorites]] and would love for him to give more focus to them and include them more in the narrative, some most of them being from 1-A and all of Class 1-B in particular being frequently brought up, in turn expressing particular, these fans themselves express frustration [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter when they're left to the wayside]], not helped by Horikoshi even stating a desire ''to'' give certain characters more focus, but not seeming to follow through. Conversely, many argue that many of these characters don't ''need'' to get focus when they are minor overall, since they're '' side characters'' at the end of the day, that giving [[SpotlightStealingSquad every character focus ends up wasting time that could be spent on the greater narrative or on further developing the main characters,[[labelnote:*]]Midoriya, characters]] ,[[labelnote:*]]Midoriya, Bakugo, Todoroki, and Uraraka[[/labelnote]] and that expecting Horikoshi to be able to adequately provide focus to the ''hundreds'' of characters in the series is unrealistic. The final arc in particular furthered this debate, with supporters happy that numerous characters like Shoji and Mina were ''finally'' [[ADayInTheLimelight getting time in the spotlight even if only for a chapter or two, two]] , while detractors saw it as needless detours keeping focus off of the conflicts that ''actually'' need to happen.[[labelnote:*]]Deku vs. Shigaraki, the Heroes fighting All For One, Uravity vs. Toga, and Dabi vs. the Todoroki family.[[/labelnote]]
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* With the series having a ''lot'' of characters, there is some discourse over whether or not the series needs to give ''focus'' to those characters. Many point out that Horikoshi appears to have a knack for creating characters with [[CastFullOfSnowflakes interesting designs and characterizations]], and would love for him to give more focus to them and include them more in the narrative, some of 1-A and all of Class 1-B in particular being frequently brought up, in turn expressing frustration [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter when they're left to the wayside]], not helped by Horikoshi even stating a desire ''to'' give certain characters more focus, but not seeming to follow through. Conversely, many argue that many of these characters don't ''need'' to get focus when they are minor overall, that giving every character focus ends up wasting time that could be spent on the greater narrative or on further developing the main characters,[[labelnote:*]]Midoriya, Bakugo, Todoroki, and Uraraka[[/labelnote]] and that expecting Horikoshi to be able to adequately provide focus to the ''hundreds'' of characters in the series is unrealistic. The final arc in particular furthered this debate, with supporters happy that numerous characters like Shoji and Mina were ''finally'' getting time in the spotlight even if only for a chapter or two, while detractors saw it as needless detours keeping focus off of the conflicts that ''actually'' need to happen.[[labelnote:*]]Deku vs. Shigaraki, the Heroes fighting All For One, Uravity vs. Toga, and Dabi vs. the Todoroki family.[[/labelnote]]

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* With the series having a ''lot'' of characters, there is some discourse over whether or not the series needs to give ''focus'' to those characters. Many point out that Horikoshi appears to have a knack for creating characters with [[CastFullOfSnowflakes [[CastOfSnowflakes interesting designs and characterizations]], and would love for him to give more focus to them and include them more in the narrative, some of 1-A and all of Class 1-B in particular being frequently brought up, in turn expressing frustration [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter when they're left to the wayside]], not helped by Horikoshi even stating a desire ''to'' give certain characters more focus, but not seeming to follow through. Conversely, many argue that many of these characters don't ''need'' to get focus when they are minor overall, that giving every character focus ends up wasting time that could be spent on the greater narrative or on further developing the main characters,[[labelnote:*]]Midoriya, Bakugo, Todoroki, and Uraraka[[/labelnote]] and that expecting Horikoshi to be able to adequately provide focus to the ''hundreds'' of characters in the series is unrealistic. The final arc in particular furthered this debate, with supporters happy that numerous characters like Shoji and Mina were ''finally'' getting time in the spotlight even if only for a chapter or two, while detractors saw it as needless detours keeping focus off of the conflicts that ''actually'' need to happen.[[labelnote:*]]Deku vs. Shigaraki, the Heroes fighting All For One, Uravity vs. Toga, and Dabi vs. the Todoroki family.[[/labelnote]]
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* With the series having LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters, there is some discourse over whether or not the series needs to give ''focus'' to those characters. Many point out that Horikoshi appears to have a knack for creating characters with interesting designs and characterizations, and would love for him to give more focus to them and include them more in the narrative, in turn expressing frustration [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter when they're left to the wayside]], not helped by Horikoshi even stating a desire ''to'' give certain characters more focus, but not seeming to follow through. Conversely, many argue that many of these characters don't ''need'' to get focus when they are minor overall, that giving every character focus ends up wasting time that could be spent on the greater narrative or on further developing the main characters,[[labelnote:*]]Midoriya, Bakugo, Todoroki, and Uraraka[[/labelnote]] and that expecting Horikoshi to be able to adequately provide focus to the ''hundreds'' of characters in the series is unrealistic. The final arc in particular furthered this debate, with supporters happy that numerous characters like Shoji and Mina were ''finally'' getting time in the spotlight even if only for a chapter or two, while detractors saw it as needless detours keeping focus off of the conflicts that ''actually'' need to happen.[[labelnote:*]]Deku vs. Shigaraki, the Heroes fighting All For One, Uravity vs. Toga, and Dabi vs. the Todoroki family.[[/labelnote]]

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* With the series having LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters, a ''lot'' of characters, there is some discourse over whether or not the series needs to give ''focus'' to those characters. Many point out that Horikoshi appears to have a knack for creating characters with [[CastFullOfSnowflakes interesting designs and characterizations, characterizations]], and would love for him to give more focus to them and include them more in the narrative, some of 1-A and all of Class 1-B in particular being frequently brought up, in turn expressing frustration [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter when they're left to the wayside]], not helped by Horikoshi even stating a desire ''to'' give certain characters more focus, but not seeming to follow through. Conversely, many argue that many of these characters don't ''need'' to get focus when they are minor overall, that giving every character focus ends up wasting time that could be spent on the greater narrative or on further developing the main characters,[[labelnote:*]]Midoriya, Bakugo, Todoroki, and Uraraka[[/labelnote]] and that expecting Horikoshi to be able to adequately provide focus to the ''hundreds'' of characters in the series is unrealistic. The final arc in particular furthered this debate, with supporters happy that numerous characters like Shoji and Mina were ''finally'' getting time in the spotlight even if only for a chapter or two, while detractors saw it as needless detours keeping focus off of the conflicts that ''actually'' need to happen.[[labelnote:*]]Deku vs. Shigaraki, the Heroes fighting All For One, Uravity vs. Toga, and Dabi vs. the Todoroki family.[[/labelnote]]
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* With the series having LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters, there is some discourse over whether or not the series needs to give ''focus'' to those characters. Many point out that Horikoshi appears to have a knack for creating characters with interesting designs and characterizations, and would love for him to give more focus to them and include them more in the narrative, in turn expressing frustration [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter when they're left to the wayside]], not helped by Horikoshi even stating a desire ''to'' give certain characters more focus, but not seeming to follow through. Conversely, many argue that many of these characters don't ''need'' to get focus when they are minor overall, that giving every character focus ends up wasting time that could be spent on the greater narrative or on further developing the main characters,[[labelnote:*]]Midoriya, Bakugo, Todoroki, and Uraraka[[/labelnote]] and that expecting Horikoshi to be able to adequately provide focus to the ''hundreds'' of characters in the series is unrealistic. The final arc in particular furthered this debate, with supporters happy that numerous characters like Shoji and Mina were ''finally'' getting time in the spotlight even if only for a chapter or two, while detractors saw it as needless detours keeping focus off of the conflicts that ''actually'' need to happen.[[labelnote:*]]Deku vs. Shigaraki, the Heroes fighting All For One, Uravity vs. Toga, and Dabi vs. the Todoroki family.[[/labelnote]]
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* The revelation that Aoyama is the U.A. traitor has also caused some division. Mostly in how it was executed rather than who it turned out to be. For starters, the entire subplot itself was seemingly forgotten about after the Kamino Arc and the cliffhanger that led readers to believe Hagakure had been the traitor just seemed like a rug pull for the sake of it in hindsight. Then there's the fact that this whole revelation happened in the final arc long after anything significant came of the subplot, with Aoyama ratting out the location of the summer training camp being the last intel he conveyed. Which some redditors [[https://www.reddit.com/r/BokuNoHeroAcademia/comments/s36re0/the_traitor_arc_was_disappointing_rant/ point out could have been accomplished/explained with one of All For One's numerous quirks just as easily]]. Not helping matters was how quickly the situation blew over and how EasilyForgiven Aoyama was after Class 1A found out about it with Hagakure, Bakugou, Present Mic, and Tsukauchi arguably having the most realistic reactions out of anyone there. Bafflingly, Aizawa claims he has no intention of expelling Aoyama for his endangering of the entire class recognizing that it's his own fault for not paying closer attention to his students. Yet he had no qualms about expelling the five who went about saving Bakugou as well as the other students who knew of their plan on the mere basis of not being licensed to do hero work just yet. [[labelnote:*]] A move that was already a sore spot for a lot of people who feel that this is a flaw in the Hero system that discourages students from doing the job they're being trained for even in instances where the qualified heroes fail.[[/labelnote]] Others point out that rather than being an active traitor, Aoyama was told to leak information when ordered to and was more or less allowed to attend as a normal student until he was needed. Doesn't help at all that readers are more divided over the betrayal than Class 1-A themselves.

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* The revelation that Aoyama is the U.A. traitor has also caused some division. Mostly in how it was executed rather than who it turned out to be. For starters, the entire subplot itself was seemingly forgotten about after the Kamino Arc and the cliffhanger that led readers to believe Hagakure had been the traitor just seemed like a rug pull for the sake of it in hindsight. Additionally, the discovery of the traitor's identity was via [[AssPull the sheer coincidence of Hagakure happening upon Aoyama with his parents,]] making it come off as an all too convenient plot device to use against All for One. Then there's the fact that this whole revelation happened in the final arc long after anything significant came of the subplot, with Aoyama ratting out the location of the summer training camp being the last intel he conveyed. Which some redditors [[https://www.reddit.com/r/BokuNoHeroAcademia/comments/s36re0/the_traitor_arc_was_disappointing_rant/ point out could have been accomplished/explained with one of All For One's numerous quirks just as easily]]. Not helping matters was how quickly the situation blew over and how EasilyForgiven Aoyama was after Class 1A found out about it with Hagakure, Bakugou, Present Mic, and Tsukauchi arguably having the most realistic reactions out of anyone there. Bafflingly, Aizawa claims he has no intention of expelling Aoyama for his endangering of the entire class recognizing that it's his own fault for not paying closer attention to his students. Yet he had no qualms about expelling the five who went about saving Bakugou as well as the other students who knew of their plan on the mere basis of not being licensed to do hero work just yet. [[labelnote:*]] A move that was already a sore spot for a lot of people who feel that this is a flaw in the Hero system that discourages students from doing the job they're being trained for even in instances where the qualified heroes fail.[[/labelnote]] Others point out that rather than being an active traitor, Aoyama was told to leak information when ordered to and was more or less allowed to attend as a normal student until he was needed. Doesn't help at all that readers are more divided over the betrayal than Class 1-A themselves.
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** Fans, however, argue that Midoriya is forced to learn how to use One For All, turning it from an AwesomeButImpractical ability that breaks his bones to a power he can use as effectively as All Might once did, leaving him room for growth, and argue that it would be unrealistic to expect a Quirkless Midoriya to be able to effectively fight against villains who have mastered their Quirks, some being downright [[StoryBreakerPower overpowered]] , and would just end up being [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomped by most of his opponents]] [[labelnote:*]]Either by villains like Muscular, Overhaul and All for One or by his classmates like Bakugo or Shoto.[[/labelnote]] or [[AssPull beating them in ways that would be unsatisfying]], pointing out that Horikoshi ultimately decided against Midoriya being a Quirkless hero for this very reason and finally argue that a Quirkless Izuku would have been seriously {{overshadowed|ByAwesome}} by his Quirk-wielding classmates.
** There is, however, a third camp (though not as loud or visible) that sits on an awkward middle ground between the previous two: those who believe that, like the first group, Midoriya should have stayed Quirkless, but like the second group, agree that there's no way that MHA's current plot, with its high stakes and overpowered villains with {{Story Breaker Power}}s, would have worked with a BadassNormal protagonist and would require an [[JustForPun overhaul]] of the entire story in order to accomodate for such kind of main character, but argue that a plot with lower stakes and a smaller power scale would have made for a more interesting story.

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** Fans, however, argue that Midoriya is forced to learn how to use One For All, turning it from an AwesomeButImpractical ability that breaks his bones to a power he can use as effectively as All Might once did, leaving him room for growth, and argue that it would be unrealistic to expect a Quirkless Midoriya to be able to effectively fight against villains who have mastered their Quirks, some being downright [[StoryBreakerPower overpowered]] , and would just end up being [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomped by most of his opponents]] [[labelnote:*]]Either by villains like [[labelnote:*]]Such as Muscular, Overhaul and Overhaul, Shigaraki, All for One or by his classmates like Bakugo or Shoto.One, Bakugo, Shoto,... [[/labelnote]] or [[AssPull beating them in ways that would be unsatisfying]], pointing out that Horikoshi ultimately decided against Midoriya being a Quirkless hero for this very reason and finally argue that a Quirkless Izuku would have been seriously {{overshadowed|ByAwesome}} by his Quirk-wielding classmates.
** There is, however, a third camp (though not as loud or visible) that sits on an awkward middle ground between the previous two: those who believe that, like the first group, Midoriya should have stayed Quirkless, but like the second group, agree that there's no way that MHA's current plot, with its high stakes and overpowered villains with {{Story Breaker Power}}s, would have worked with a BadassNormal protagonist and would require an to [[JustForPun overhaul]] of the entire story series in order to accomodate for such kind of main character, but argue that a plot with lower stakes and a smaller power scale would have made for a more interesting story.
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* The revelation that Aoyama is the U.A. traitor has also caused some division. Mostly in how it was executed rather than who it turned out to be. For starters, the entire subplot itself was seemingly forgotten about after the Kamino Arc and the cliffhanger that led readers to believe Hagakure had been the traitor just seemed like a rug pull for the sake of it in hindsight. Then there's the fact that this whole revelation happened in the final arc long after anything significant came of the subplot, with Aoyama ratting out the location of the summer training camp being the last intel he conveyed. Which some redditors [[https://www.reddit.com/r/BokuNoHeroAcademia/comments/s36re0/the_traitor_arc_was_disappointing_rant/ point out could have been accomplished/explained with one of All For One's numerous quirks just as easily]]. Not helping matters was how quickly the situation blew over and how EasilyForgiven Aoyama was after Class 1A found out about it with Hagakure, Bakugou, Present Mic, and Tsukauchi arguably having the most realistic reactions out of anyone there. Bafflingly, Aizawa claims he has no intention of expelling Aoyama for his endangering of the entire class recognizing that it's his own fault for not paying closer attention to his students. Yet he had no qualms about expelling the five who went about saving Bakugou as well as the other students who knew of their plan on the mere basis of not being licensed to do hero work just yet. [[labelnote:*]] A move that was already a sore spot for a lot of people who feel that this is a flaw in the Hero system that discourages students from doing the job they're being trained for even in instances where the qualified heroes fail.[[/labelnote]] Others point out that rather than being an active traitor, Aoyama was told to leak information when ordered to and was more or less allowed to attend as a normal student until he was needed. Doesn't help at all that readers are more divided over betrayal than Class 1-A themselves.

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* The revelation that Aoyama is the U.A. traitor has also caused some division. Mostly in how it was executed rather than who it turned out to be. For starters, the entire subplot itself was seemingly forgotten about after the Kamino Arc and the cliffhanger that led readers to believe Hagakure had been the traitor just seemed like a rug pull for the sake of it in hindsight. Then there's the fact that this whole revelation happened in the final arc long after anything significant came of the subplot, with Aoyama ratting out the location of the summer training camp being the last intel he conveyed. Which some redditors [[https://www.reddit.com/r/BokuNoHeroAcademia/comments/s36re0/the_traitor_arc_was_disappointing_rant/ point out could have been accomplished/explained with one of All For One's numerous quirks just as easily]]. Not helping matters was how quickly the situation blew over and how EasilyForgiven Aoyama was after Class 1A found out about it with Hagakure, Bakugou, Present Mic, and Tsukauchi arguably having the most realistic reactions out of anyone there. Bafflingly, Aizawa claims he has no intention of expelling Aoyama for his endangering of the entire class recognizing that it's his own fault for not paying closer attention to his students. Yet he had no qualms about expelling the five who went about saving Bakugou as well as the other students who knew of their plan on the mere basis of not being licensed to do hero work just yet. [[labelnote:*]] A move that was already a sore spot for a lot of people who feel that this is a flaw in the Hero system that discourages students from doing the job they're being trained for even in instances where the qualified heroes fail.[[/labelnote]] Others point out that rather than being an active traitor, Aoyama was told to leak information when ordered to and was more or less allowed to attend as a normal student until he was needed. Doesn't help at all that readers are more divided over the betrayal than Class 1-A themselves.

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* Provisional Hero License Exam Arc has major ToughActToFollow for many, coming right after School Trip and Hideout Raid arcs which are both big WhamEpisode with great fight scenes such as Deku vs Muscular or All Might vs All For One. Some consider it despite being obviously inferior but still decent with amazing Deku vs Bakugo confrontation at the end of it, others think that few good scenes can't save it from being a {{Filler}} that could be shortened to few chapters. It's especially jarring in the anime adaptation, where it serves as a second half of 3rd season, right after previously mentioned two very highly praised arcs. For few it was even a point when they stopped watching the show, because it peaked too early.



* The revelation that Aoyama is the U.A. traitor has also caused some division. Mostly in how it was executed rather than who it turned out to be. For starters, the entire subplot itself was seemingly forgotten about after the Kamino Arc and the cliffhanger that led readers to believe Hagakure had been the traitor just seemed like a rug pull for the sake of it in hindsight. Then there's the fact that this whole revelation happened in the final arc long after anything significant came of the subplot, with Aoyama ratting out the location of the summer training camp being the last intel he conveyed. Which some redditors [[https://www.reddit.com/r/BokuNoHeroAcademia/comments/s36re0/the_traitor_arc_was_disappointing_rant/ point out could have been accomplished/explained with one of All For One's numerous quirks just as easily]]. Not helping matters was how quickly the situation blew over and how EasilyForgiven Aoyama was after Class 1A found out about it with Hagakure, Bakugou, Present Mic, and Tsukauchi arguably having the most realistic reactions out of anyone there. Bafflingly, Aizawa claims he has no intention of expelling Aoyama for his endangering of the entire class recognizing that it's his own fault for not paying closer attention to his students. Yet he had no qualms about expelling the five who went about saving Bakugou as well as the other students who knew of their plan on the mere basis of not being licensed to do hero work just yet. [[labelnote:*]] A move that was already a sore spot for a lot of people who feel that this is a flaw in the Hero system that discourages students from doing the job they're being trained for even in instances where the qualified heroes fail.[[/labelnote]] Others point out that rather than being an active traitor, Aoyama was told to leak information when ordered to and was more or less allowed to attend as a normal student until he was needed.

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* The revelation that Aoyama is the U.A. traitor has also caused some division. Mostly in how it was executed rather than who it turned out to be. For starters, the entire subplot itself was seemingly forgotten about after the Kamino Arc and the cliffhanger that led readers to believe Hagakure had been the traitor just seemed like a rug pull for the sake of it in hindsight. Then there's the fact that this whole revelation happened in the final arc long after anything significant came of the subplot, with Aoyama ratting out the location of the summer training camp being the last intel he conveyed. Which some redditors [[https://www.reddit.com/r/BokuNoHeroAcademia/comments/s36re0/the_traitor_arc_was_disappointing_rant/ point out could have been accomplished/explained with one of All For One's numerous quirks just as easily]]. Not helping matters was how quickly the situation blew over and how EasilyForgiven Aoyama was after Class 1A found out about it with Hagakure, Bakugou, Present Mic, and Tsukauchi arguably having the most realistic reactions out of anyone there. Bafflingly, Aizawa claims he has no intention of expelling Aoyama for his endangering of the entire class recognizing that it's his own fault for not paying closer attention to his students. Yet he had no qualms about expelling the five who went about saving Bakugou as well as the other students who knew of their plan on the mere basis of not being licensed to do hero work just yet. [[labelnote:*]] A move that was already a sore spot for a lot of people who feel that this is a flaw in the Hero system that discourages students from doing the job they're being trained for even in instances where the qualified heroes fail.[[/labelnote]] Others point out that rather than being an active traitor, Aoyama was told to leak information when ordered to and was more or less allowed to attend as a normal student until he was needed. Doesn't help at all that readers are more divided over betrayal than Class 1-A themselves.
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** Fans, however, argue that Midoriya is forced to learn how to use One For All, turning it from an AwesomeButImpractical ability that breaks his bones to a power he can use as effectively as All Might once did, leaving him room for growth, and argue that it would be unrealistic to expect a Quirkless Midoriya to be able to effectively fight against villains who have mastered their Quirks, some being downright [[StoryBreakerPower overpowered]] , and would just end up either being [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomped by most of his opponents]] [[labelnote:*]]Either by villains like Muscular, Overhaul and All for One or by his classmates like Bakugo or Shoto.[[/labelnote]] or [[AssPull beating them in ways that would be unsatisfying]], pointing out that Horikoshi ultimately decided against Midoriya being a Quirkless hero for this very reason and finally argue that a Quirkless Izuku would have been seriously {{overshadowed|ByAwesome}} by his Quirk-wielding classmates.

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** Fans, however, argue that Midoriya is forced to learn how to use One For All, turning it from an AwesomeButImpractical ability that breaks his bones to a power he can use as effectively as All Might once did, leaving him room for growth, and argue that it would be unrealistic to expect a Quirkless Midoriya to be able to effectively fight against villains who have mastered their Quirks, some being downright [[StoryBreakerPower overpowered]] , and would just end up either being [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomped by most of his opponents]] [[labelnote:*]]Either by villains like Muscular, Overhaul and All for One or by his classmates like Bakugo or Shoto.[[/labelnote]] or [[AssPull beating them in ways that would be unsatisfying]], pointing out that Horikoshi ultimately decided against Midoriya being a Quirkless hero for this very reason and finally argue that a Quirkless Izuku would have been seriously {{overshadowed|ByAwesome}} by his Quirk-wielding classmates.
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* The reveal that Midoriya [[spoiler:will eventually receive the Quirks of all the previous One For All users]] practically fractured the fandom. Some fans fear that Midoriya will become another overpowered protagonist that will leave the other characters [[CantCatchUp behind]] and make them irrelevant, a problem that’s plagued other shonen series like ''{{Franchise/Dragon Ball}}'' and ''{{Franchise/Naruto}}''. Other fans are excited about this twist, saying that it could introduce an interesting new conflict for Midoriya and make his fights more varied and exciting. There’s also a third subset of fans who, while concerned about this turn of events, want to wait and see how Horikoshi will incorporate the twist into the story before judging. This was compounded with [[spoiler:Shigaraki getting more powerful in the Meta Liberation Army Arc, followed by The Doctor giving him the original All For One Quirk while augmenting his body further in the Paranormal Liberation War Arc]]. While some think that this is a clear problem of PowerCreep rearing its head on a manga that managed to avoid it, others are excited at the prospect of the awesome fight that will result from it. In the latter group, some of have pointed out that it's completely logical for [[spoiler:the Quirks of previous One For All users to be merged into it, since the merger of an existing Quirk with an acquired one is how One For All came into existence in the first place]], and that it was obviously necessary [[spoiler:for Shigaraki to get power-ups if he's going to still be a threat even after Midoriya masters One For All. PowerCreep or not, it means that now even after mastering One For All it'll take more than a simple SpeedBlitz to defeat Shigaraki]]. This has only escalated following the end of the Paranormal Liberation War Arc with [[spoiler: Izuku leaving his family, classmates, and acquaintances behind to hunt AFO full-time with the Top 3 heroes. And then he leaves the Top 3 heroes behind as well, going completely on his own, while claiming that his Quirks combined with his proficiency with One For All makes him about as powerful as All Might was]].

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* The reveal that Midoriya [[spoiler:will eventually receive the Quirks of all the previous One For All users]] practically fractured the fandom. Some fans fear that Midoriya will become another overpowered protagonist that will leave the other characters [[CantCatchUp behind]] and make them irrelevant, a problem that’s plagued other shonen series like ''{{Franchise/Dragon Ball}}'' and ''{{Franchise/Naruto}}''. Other fans are excited about this twist, saying that it could introduce an interesting new conflict for Midoriya and make his fights more varied and exciting. There’s also a third subset of fans who, while concerned about this turn of events, want to wait and see how Horikoshi will incorporate the twist into the story before judging. This was compounded with [[spoiler:Shigaraki getting more powerful in the Meta Liberation Army Arc, followed by The Doctor giving him the original All For One Quirk while augmenting his body further in the Paranormal Liberation War Arc]]. While some think that this is a clear problem of PowerCreep rearing its head on a manga that managed to avoid it, others are excited at the prospect of the awesome fight that will result from it. In the latter group, some of have pointed out that it's completely logical for [[spoiler:the Quirks of previous One For All users to be merged into it, since the merger of an existing Quirk with an acquired one is how One For All came into existence in the first place]], and that it was obviously necessary [[spoiler:for Shigaraki to get power-ups if he's going to still be a threat even after Midoriya masters One For All. PowerCreep or not, it means that now even after mastering One For All it'll take more than a simple SpeedBlitz to defeat Shigaraki]]. This has only escalated following the end of the Paranormal Liberation War Arc with [[spoiler: Izuku leaving his family, classmates, and acquaintances behind to hunt AFO full-time with the Top 3 heroes. And then he leaves the Top 3 heroes behind as well, going completely on his own, while claiming that his Quirks combined with his proficiency with One For All makes him about as powerful as All Might was]].
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** Detractors consider Midoriya receiving One For All a case in which the hero gets powerups handed to him, and would have preferred seeing Izuku become a great hero despite being Quirkless, often citing other characters that ''have'' Quirks but [[FightsLikeANormal functionally fight as if Quirkless]] due to the limitations they have, Aizawa[[labelnote:*]]His "Erasure" only erases a Quirk so long as he doesn't blink, and as such is very fast and agile, being compared to a {{ninja}} InUniverse.[[/labelnote]] and Stain[[labelnote:*]]His "Bloodcurdle" only works if he can ''ingest'' his targets blood, so he needs to be able to ''cut'' them first, hence his use of bladed weapons and extreme manueverability.[[/labelnote]] in particular being mentioned. They also point out that Midoriya becoming a famous hero with such unfavorable odds would have been a more inspiring tale than Midoriya becoming a great hero because he was lucky to meet somebody who gave him an overpowered Quirk. It does not help that a lot of official plot summaries for MHA often [[NeverTrustATrailer advertise the story in ways that make it sound like Izuku will stay Quirkless]], meaning a good number of viewers and readers get into the series expecting that only to end up disappointed.

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** Detractors consider Midoriya receiving One For All a case in which the hero gets powerups handed to him, and would have preferred seeing Izuku become a great hero despite being Quirkless, often citing other characters that ''have'' Quirks but [[FightsLikeANormal functionally fight as if Quirkless]] due to the limitations they have, Aizawa[[labelnote:*]]His "Erasure" only erases a Quirk so long as he doesn't blink, and as such is very fast and agile, being compared to a {{ninja}} InUniverse.[[/labelnote]] and Stain[[labelnote:*]]His "Bloodcurdle" only works if he can ''ingest'' his targets blood, so he needs to be able to ''cut'' them first, hence his use of bladed weapons and extreme manueverability.[[/labelnote]] in particular being mentioned. They also point out that Midoriya becoming a famous hero with such unfavorable odds would have been a more inspiring tale than Midoriya becoming a great hero because he was lucky to meet somebody who gave him an overpowered Quirk. It does not help that a lot of official plot summaries and advertisements for MHA often [[NeverTrustATrailer advertise describe the story premise in ways that make it sound like Izuku Midoriya will stay Quirkless]], meaning a good number of viewers and readers get into the series expecting that only to end up disappointed.
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** Detractors consider Midoriya receiving One For All a case in which the hero gets powerups handed to him, and would have preferred seeing Izuku become a great hero despite being Quirkless, often citing other characters that ''have'' Quirks but [[FightsLikeANormal functionally fight as if Quirkless]] due to the limitations they have, Aizawa[[labelnote:*]]His "Erasure" only erases a Quirk so long as he doesn't blink, and as such is very fast and agile, being compared to a {{ninja}} InUniverse.[[/labelnote]] and Stain[[labelnote:*]]His "Bloodcurdle" only works if he can ''ingest'' his targets blood, so he needs to be able to ''cut'' them first, hence his use of bladed weapons and extreme manueverability.[[/labelnote]] in particular being mentioned. They also point out that Midoriya becoming a famous hero with such unfavorable odds would have been a more inspiring tale than Midoriya becoming a great hero because he was lucky to meet somebody who gave him an overpowered Quirk.

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** Detractors consider Midoriya receiving One For All a case in which the hero gets powerups handed to him, and would have preferred seeing Izuku become a great hero despite being Quirkless, often citing other characters that ''have'' Quirks but [[FightsLikeANormal functionally fight as if Quirkless]] due to the limitations they have, Aizawa[[labelnote:*]]His "Erasure" only erases a Quirk so long as he doesn't blink, and as such is very fast and agile, being compared to a {{ninja}} InUniverse.[[/labelnote]] and Stain[[labelnote:*]]His "Bloodcurdle" only works if he can ''ingest'' his targets blood, so he needs to be able to ''cut'' them first, hence his use of bladed weapons and extreme manueverability.[[/labelnote]] in particular being mentioned. They also point out that Midoriya becoming a famous hero with such unfavorable odds would have been a more inspiring tale than Midoriya becoming a great hero because he was lucky to meet somebody who gave him an overpowered Quirk. It does not help that a lot of official plot summaries for MHA often [[NeverTrustATrailer advertise the story in ways that make it sound like Izuku will stay Quirkless]], meaning a good number of viewers and readers get into the series expecting that only to end up disappointed.

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