History BrokenAesop / ComicBooks

28th Jul '17 6:08:11 PM MagBas
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** On the other side of the coin, a common moral is to go against the "evil WellIntentionedExtremist" who only cares about advancing mutants and protecting mutants, naming it JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope to mutant supremacy, particularly with post-Schism Cyclops. Thing is, it's ''absolutely'' understandable that mutants should have someone whose primary goal is their protection and advancement. Plenty of organizations in real life exist to support minority groups, because minority groups tend to have very particular issues that warrant special attention and a habit of being ignored or harmed by supposedly egalitarian organizations, and mutants have both. One can't say that prioritizing mutants is evil, and then next week have the government send its thirteenth wave of genocidal robots after them.

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** On the other side of the coin, a common moral is to go against the "evil WellIntentionedExtremist" who only cares about advancing mutants and protecting mutants, naming it JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope to mutant supremacy, particularly with post-Schism Cyclops. Thing is, it's ''absolutely'' understandable that mutants should have someone whose primary goal is their protection and advancement. Plenty of organizations in real life exist to support minority groups, because minority the Marvel comic books themselves, groups tend to have very particular issues that warrant special attention and a habit of being ignored or harmed by supposedly egalitarian organizations, and mutants have both. One can't say that prioritizing mutants is evil, the rights of other minorities are rarely portrayed as supremacists, and then next week have the government send its thirteenth wave of genocidal robots after them.characters prioritizing their own loved ones (a group infinitely smaller than mutants) are frequently portrayed positively.
26th Jul '17 6:10:06 PM MBG
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** On the other side of the coin, a common moral is to go against the "evil WellIntentionedExtremist" who only cares about advancing mutants and protecting mutants, naming it JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope to mutant supremacy, particularly with post-Schism Cyclops. Thing is, it's ''absolutely'' understandable that mutants should have someone whose primary goal is their protection and advancement. Plenty of organizations in real life exist to support minority groups, because minority groups tend to have very particular issues that warrant special attention and a tendency to be ignored or harmed by supposedly egalitarian organizations, and mutants have both. One can't say that prioritizing mutants is evil, and then next week have the government send its thirteenth wave of genocidal robots after them.

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** On the other side of the coin, a common moral is to go against the "evil WellIntentionedExtremist" who only cares about advancing mutants and protecting mutants, naming it JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope to mutant supremacy, particularly with post-Schism Cyclops. Thing is, it's ''absolutely'' understandable that mutants should have someone whose primary goal is their protection and advancement. Plenty of organizations in real life exist to support minority groups, because minority groups tend to have very particular issues that warrant special attention and a tendency to be habit of being ignored or harmed by supposedly egalitarian organizations, and mutants have both. One can't say that prioritizing mutants is evil, and then next week have the government send its thirteenth wave of genocidal robots after them.
26th Jul '17 6:05:39 PM MBG
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** On the other side of the coin, a common moral is to go against the "evil WellIntentionedExtremist" who only cares about advancing mutants and protecting mutants, naming it a SlipperySlope to mutant supremacy, particularly with post-Schism Cyclops. Thing is, it's ''absolutely'' understandable that mutants should have someone whose primary goal is their protection and advancement. Plenty of organizations in real life exist to support minority groups, because minority groups tend to have very particular issues that warrant special attention and a tendency to be ignored or harmed by supposedly egalitarian organizations, and mutants have both. One can't say that prioritizing mutants is evil, and then next week have the government send its thirteenth wave of genocidal robots after them.

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** On the other side of the coin, a common moral is to go against the "evil WellIntentionedExtremist" who only cares about advancing mutants and protecting mutants, naming it a SlipperySlope JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope to mutant supremacy, particularly with post-Schism Cyclops. Thing is, it's ''absolutely'' understandable that mutants should have someone whose primary goal is their protection and advancement. Plenty of organizations in real life exist to support minority groups, because minority groups tend to have very particular issues that warrant special attention and a tendency to be ignored or harmed by supposedly egalitarian organizations, and mutants have both. One can't say that prioritizing mutants is evil, and then next week have the government send its thirteenth wave of genocidal robots after them.
26th Jul '17 6:05:00 PM MBG
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** On the other side of the coin, a common moral is to go against the "evil WellIntentionedExtremist" who only cares about advancing mutants and protecting mutants, naming it a SlipperySlope to mutant supremacy, particularly with post-Schism Cyclops. Thing is, it's ''absolutely'' understandable that mutants should have someone whose primary goal is their protection and advancement. Plenty of organizations in real life exist to support minority groups, because minority groups tend to have very particular issues that warrant special attention and a tendency to be ignored or harmed by supposedly egalitarian organizations, and mutants have both. One can't say that prioritizing mutants is evil, and then next week have the government send its thirteenth wave of genocidal robots after them.
21st Jun '17 7:15:26 AM nightkiller
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* ''Mystery in Space'' #8 featured the story [[http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2013/03/03/i-love-ya-but-youre-strange-women-in-charge-talk-about-a-mystery-in-space/ "It's a Woman's World!"]], in which a man stuggles to prove himself in a future where women have dominated society. It appears to be a story about gender equality, but then you get to the very end, in which the male protagonist forces his wife to do housework, and the wife in turn admits that women ran things long enough and that men should take over again.

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* ''Mystery in Space'' #8 featured the story [[http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2013/03/03/i-love-ya-but-youre-strange-women-in-charge-talk-about-a-mystery-in-space/ "It's a Woman's World!"]], in which a man stuggles to prove himself in a future where women have dominated society. It appears to be a story about gender equality, but then you get to the very end, in which the male protagonist forces his wife to do housework, and the wife in turn admits that women ran things long enough and that men should take over again. The story, of course, was published in 1952.
14th Jun '17 12:56:25 PM MagBas
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* In general, whenever ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'' is painted as a role model for kids. Given his infamy for having such a YankTheDogsChain-heavy life (e.g., the aforementioned ''ComicBook/MarvelAdventures: ComicBook/SpiderMan #39'' and ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay''), many fans actually consider him one of the '''''last''''' people that kids should try to turn out like.
14th Jun '17 12:48:07 PM Peridonyx
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* In general, whenever ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'' is painted as a role model for kids. Given his infamy for having such a YankTheDogsChain-heavy life (e.g., the aforementioned ''ComicBook/MarvelAdventures: ComicBook/SpiderMan #39'' and ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay''), many fans actually consider him one of the '''''last''''' people that kids should try to turn out like.
23rd Mar '17 8:32:10 AM infernape612
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--> Katsuichi: Do you remember what I taught you?
--> Usagi: Yes, sensei. I am here to test my skills, not necessarily to win.
--> Katsuichi: And?
--> Usagi: "Spirit and inner strength are essential. Winning is unimportant!"
--> Katsuichi: And if you don't win?
--> Usagi: You'll beat me to a pulp!
--> Katsuichi: Hah! You've learned well.

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--> Katsuichi: '''Katsuichi''': Do you remember what I taught you?
--> Usagi:
you?\\
'''Usagi''':
Yes, sensei. I am here to test my skills, not necessarily to win. \n--> Katsuichi: And? \n--> Usagi: \\
'''Katsuichi''': And?\\
'''Usagi''':
"Spirit and inner strength are essential. Winning is unimportant!"
--> Katsuichi:
unimportant!"\\
'''Katsuichi''':
And if you don't win?
--> Usagi:
win?\\
'''Usagi''':
You'll beat me to a pulp!
--> Katsuichi:
pulp!\\
'''Katsuichi''':
Hah! You've learned well.
14th Dec '16 6:01:08 PM BattleMaster
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** Furthermore, even if you ignore evil mutants who use their powers for terrorism, it's not uncommon for a mutant's powers to get out of control and end up hurting or killing a lot of people or causing a ton of property damage, giving humans a valid reason for not wanting them around. Even worse, for all their talk about wanting equality with mankind, we almost never see the X-Men try and welcome regular humans be around them. And they don't really try to make the few humans who do try to be around them feel welcome. For example, the Xavier Institute once employed a regular human nurse named Annie. At one point when they needed her help with a group of crucified mutants, Jean Grey used her telepathy to call her and was [[WhatTheHellHero annoyed when she panicked after hearing Jean's voice in her head without any warning]] and the group talked down to her for being human.

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** Furthermore, even if you ignore evil mutants who use their powers for terrorism, it's not uncommon for a mutant's powers to get out of control and end up hurting or killing a lot of people or causing a ton of property damage, giving humans a valid reason for not wanting them around. Even worse, for all their talk about wanting equality with mankind, we almost never see the X-Men try and welcome regular humans be around them. And they don't really try to make the few humans who do try to be around them feel welcome. For example, the Xavier Institute once employed a regular human nurse named Annie. At one point when they needed her help with a group of crucified mutants, Jean Grey used her telepathy to call her and was [[WhatTheHellHero annoyed when she panicked after hearing Jean's voice in her head without any warning]] and the group talked down to her for being human. Similarly, after M-Day, many mutants lost their powers, including members of the New Mutants and other X-Men affiliated teams. What was the X-Men's response to this? Oh, sorry, you're not a mutant anymore so we're not going to help or protect you anymore. Many newly-powerless former mutants were booted from Xavier Mansion, often with the only place for them to go to be return to their abusive parents. They were promptly captured by anti-mutant extremists and most were murdered.
4th Jul '16 12:10:01 AM Morgenthaler
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** What makes this even worse is that the "whatever you can to save a life" wasn't selling their souls, give any kind of favor to the demon, or even their love, but he wanted them to give up their marriage. So Peter Parker had to face the consequences of... a chance to get back with Black Cat.
*** Even worse in that WordOfGod states that the reason he had the marriage nullified through deal with Mephisto, instead of divorce, is that he felt that having Peter and Mary Jane get divorced would send a bad message to the kids. So... selling your soul to the Devil is a BETTER moral choice than getting a divorce?
*** The best part of that? Years before ''One More Day'' Peter and Mary Jane were ALREADY divorced for some time.
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