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** At first blush, the entire [[TheFamilyThatSlaysTogether Zoldyck family]] seems to share a fairly LawfulEvil, ConsummateProfessional code -- the kind you'd pretty much expect from a family of highly pragmatic and secluded assassins. It colors everything they do, from TrainingFromHell kinds of ToughLove to a very flexible outlook on violence and a strict approach to following good business practice. But, the more you get to know about them, the [[SugarAndIce weirder]] and [[{{Tsundere}} more emotional]] their relationships [[{{Yandere}} get]] at the core driving them all. And, the less of a convincing "typical moral spectrum" they therefore show, even for the deeper, darker, more Evil parts of the pool. Killua is the most normal of the lot, thanks to wanting to branch out and engage with the wider world in a non-commercial, (mostly) unstabby way... yet, he is his own brand of off-the-wall, too. And, then there's Illumi. Oh, boy. He takes the family weirdness to places even the rest won't willingly go -- [[spoiler: he's after gaining personal power at any price... when the rest of the family is basically about charging others a mint to kill people over whatever power plays their clients have going on, not their own personal power trips.]]

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** At first blush, the entire [[TheFamilyThatSlaysTogether Zoldyck family]] seems to share a fairly LawfulEvil, ConsummateProfessional code -- the kind you'd pretty much expect from a family of highly pragmatic and secluded assassins. It colors everything they do, from TrainingFromHell kinds of ToughLove to a very flexible outlook on violence and a strict approach to following good business practice. But, the more you get to know about them, the [[SugarAndIce weirder]] and [[{{Tsundere}} more emotional]] their relationships [[{{Yandere}} get]] at the core driving them all. And, the less of a convincing "typical moral spectrum" they therefore show, even for the deeper, darker, more Evil parts of the pool. Killua is the most normal of the lot, thanks to wanting to branch out and engage with the wider world in a non-commercial, (mostly) unstabby way... yet, he is his own brand of off-the-wall, too. And, then there's Illumi. Oh, boy. He takes the family weirdness to places even the rest won't willingly go -- [[spoiler: he's after gaining personal power at any price... when the rest of the family is basically about charging others a mint to kill people over whatever power plays their clients have going on, not their own personal power trips.]]
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* [[spoiler: Kyubey]] of ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' is stated to be unable to understand human morality, being utterly confused as to why [[spoiler:the girls would be horrified by the idea that a contract with him is essentially [[OurLichesAreDifferent lichification]]]]. It later states that [[spoiler:the species that he belongs to is incapable of emotion of any sort.]] In terms of actions, it also sees nothing wrong with [[spoiler:manipulating generations of girls into situations that inevitably lead to their becoming murderous {{Eldritch Abomination}}s, since the system prolongs the life of the universe by reversing entropy]]. It also doesn't understand why humans consider [[YouDidntAsk omitting important information]] as a form of duplicity. Although it is quite clearly aware of what humans think of his actions, hence his duplicity. It just doesn't get ''[[EvilCannotComprehendGood why]]'' we think that way. The fact that it states its kind wonders at how humans can function when they're a bunch of individuals with different emotions may hint at why it sucks at understanding how contracts in our sense work, since contracts involve negotiations between ''different'' interests.

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* [[spoiler: Kyubey]] of ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' is stated to be unable to understand human morality, being utterly confused as to why [[spoiler:the girls would be horrified by the idea that a contract with him is essentially [[OurLichesAreDifferent lichification]]]]. It later states that [[spoiler:the species that he belongs to is incapable of emotion of any sort.]] In terms of actions, it also sees nothing wrong with [[spoiler:manipulating generations of girls into situations that inevitably lead to their becoming murderous {{Eldritch Abomination}}s, since the system prolongs the life of the universe by reversing entropy]]. It also doesn't understand why humans consider [[YouDidntAsk omitting important information]] as a form of duplicity. Although it is quite clearly aware of what humans think of his actions, hence his duplicity. It just doesn't get ''[[EvilCannotComprehendGood why]]'' we think that way. The fact that it states its kind wonders at how humans can function when they're a bunch of individuals with different emotions may hint at why it sucks at understanding how contracts in our sense work, since contracts involve negotiations between ''different'' interests.interests, while [[spoiler:Kyubey]] is a HiveMind and thus might literally have no concept of individuality.
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* ''Manhwa/SoulCartel'': Mephisto the demon has this in regards to his appearance. He finds his small, rather SuperDeformed state to be much cooler than his more powerful and [[PrettyBoy tall and attractive]] state. Apparently they are a "devil's aesthetics" as he puts it. He even calls the AloofDarkHairedGirl Su-In ugly because of her long legs.
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** WordOfGod from Creator/AkiraToriyama is that Saiyans as a whole have a strange view of relationships and procreation as well. They don't generally have an idea of marriage, outside of royal bloodlines, and don't mate for romance but simply for procreation. The most Saiyans tend to feel about their mates and children is close friendship and battle companions, but not romantic, paternal, or maternal love as an Earthling understands it. This is why Goku is a relatively poor parent to Gohan and Goten and husband to Chi-Chi[[note]]Goku ''has'' repeatedly said that he loves Chi-Chi, Gohan, and later Goten, but his fighting spirit almost always takes priority unless they would be put in enough danger that Goku doesn't think they can handle it[[/note]]. It is very rare for a Saiyan to feel genuine love for their mates and children... which is why Vegeta's relationship with Bulma and their son Trunks is so much more special, as was Bardock and Gine's.

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** WordOfGod from Creator/AkiraToriyama is that Saiyans [[Characters/DragonBallSaiyans Saiyans]] as a whole have a strange view of relationships and procreation as well. They don't generally have an idea of marriage, outside of royal bloodlines, and don't mate for romance but simply for procreation. The most Saiyans tend to feel about their mates and children is close friendship and battle companions, but not romantic, paternal, or maternal love as an Earthling understands it. This is why Goku is a relatively poor parent to Gohan and Goten and husband to Chi-Chi[[note]]Goku ''has'' repeatedly said that he loves Chi-Chi, Gohan, and later Goten, but his fighting spirit almost always takes priority unless they would be put in enough danger that Goku doesn't think they can handle it[[/note]]. It is very rare for a Saiyan to feel genuine love for their mates and children... which is why Vegeta's relationship with Bulma and their son Trunks is so much more special, as was Bardock and Gine's.
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* In ''Manga/OnePiece'', there are many people who consider the Straw Hat Pirates heroes because of how they constantly risk their lives to save others. The crew's captain and first mate, Monkey D. Luffy and Roronora Zoro, disagree because heroes would share their food and alcohol, which Luffy and Zoro won't [[NotHelpingYourCase unless the people they're expected to share with are really hungry]].

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* In ''Manga/OnePiece'', there are many people who consider the Straw Hat Pirates heroes because of how they constantly risk their lives to save others. The crew's captain and first mate, Monkey D. Luffy and Roronora Zoro, disagree because heroes would share their food and alcohol, which Luffy and Zoro won't [[NotHelpingYourCase unless the people they're expected to share with are really hungry]]. A clearer way of explaining the Straw Hats’ morality is that they don’t think they’re heroes because they help people because they want to, not because they feel an obligation to, but it’s a distinction that means more to them than it would for most people.
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* In ''Manga/OnePiece'', there are many people who consider the Straw Hat Pirates heroes because of how they constantly risk their lives to save others. The crew's captain and first mate, Monkey D. Luffy and Roronora Zoro, disagree because heroes would share their food and alcohol, which Luffy and Zoro won't [[NotHelpingYourCase unless the people they're expected to share with are really hungry]].
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* ''Manga/AfterGod'': The motives of [=IPOs=] aside just living their lives are neither clear nor coherent, and they often fail to figure out why humans are angry or sad. When Orokapi is asked why is he bothered by his tail being cut if he can regenerate, he asks why are humans bothered by murders if they can reproduce. When Vollof is asked to bring Shion to life, he gets confused what she wants with water, not understanding death as a concept. Alula thinks Waka having other concerns besides revenge means there's something wrong with her brain.
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** Believe or not ''Goku'' shows very strong shades of this sort of morality throughout ''Manga/DragonBall'' and ''Anime/DragonBallZ''. Considering Goku is a [[BloodKnight Saiyan,]] it's in his blood to love fighting and combat, and that love for fighting sometimes come off as a negative to Earthlings, gods, and other aliens (as well as the show's fanbase). He is often regarded with unease whenever he shows such excitement for battle, with one of Goku's friends even calling him a monster for being so excited about a fight when the entire planet hangs on the brink of destruction. Also, his love of fighting often causes them to make decisions that many think of as bad, or even stupid. Moments that have brought up this accusation include Goku wanting to defeat Piccolo by the tournament rules, [[WorthyOpponent sparing Vegeta's life after their battle just so that he could fight him again,]] [[GambitRoulette sending his own son to fight Cell, gambling that Gohan would awaken his hidden power just in time during his struggling fight and ultimately win,]] [[HonorBeforeReason giving a Senzu Bean to Cell so that Gohan gets a fair match against him, rather than a better chance to win and save the world,]] and [[ParentalNeglect abandoning his family and friends to train a child he just met so that child could become more powerful and protect the Earth when Goku dies.]] Further evidence of this is in the movie ''Battle Of Gods'' when Goku's morality is questioned because of his love of fighting. Likewise, as shown in ''Super'', while his nonchalance towards the other universes is one thing, his inability to understand Krillin's trauma, when faced with illusions of their past enemies (and Tambourine, Frieza, and Super Buu, in particular) highlights this alien mindset further.

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** Believe or not not, ''Goku'' shows very strong shades of this sort of morality throughout ''Manga/DragonBall'' and ''Anime/DragonBallZ''. Considering Goku is a [[BloodKnight Saiyan,]] it's in his blood to love fighting and combat, and that love for fighting sometimes come off as a negative to Earthlings, gods, and other aliens (as well as the show's fanbase). He is often regarded with unease whenever he shows such excitement for battle, with one of Goku's friends even calling him a monster for being so excited about a fight when the entire planet hangs on the brink of destruction. Also, his love of fighting often causes them to make decisions that many think of as bad, or even stupid. Moments that have brought up this accusation include Goku wanting to defeat Piccolo by the tournament rules, [[WorthyOpponent sparing Vegeta's life after their battle just so that he could fight him again,]] [[GambitRoulette sending his own son to fight Cell, gambling that Gohan would awaken his hidden power just in time during his struggling fight and ultimately win,]] [[HonorBeforeReason giving a Senzu Bean to Cell so that Gohan gets a fair match against him, rather than a better chance to win and save the world,]] fighting Vegeta on even terms when he could have powered up to Super Saiyan 3 and quickly ending it when every hit he took went to [[SealedEvilInACan awakening Majin Buu]], and [[ParentalNeglect abandoning his family and friends to train a child he just met so that child could become more powerful and protect the Earth when Goku dies.]] Further evidence of this is in the movie ''Battle Of Gods'' when Goku's morality is questioned because of his love of fighting. Likewise, as shown in ''Super'', while his nonchalance towards the other universes is one thing, his inability to understand Krillin's trauma, when faced with illusions of their past enemies (and Tambourine, Frieza, and Super Buu, in particular) highlights this alien mindset further.
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* In ''Manga/FrierenBeyondJourneysEnd'', OurDemonsAreDifferent in that they aren't AlwaysChaoticEvil and are in fact somewhat civilized, but they're too alien in mindset with a complete LackOfEmpathy that makes them fundamentally incompatible with humans. Some like to eat humans, sure, but others [[NonMaliciousMonster simply don't understand]] familial relationships, emotions like regret or hope, why humans care about the deaths of other humans, how just replacing an eaten daughter with the daughter of the neighbor's family (which you murdered all the rest of) doesn't fill the hole you made, etc.

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