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** ComicBook/RasAlGhul, who is nothing if not a WellIntentionedExtremist, wants to ensure ecological stability... by [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans destroying all]] [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters of humanity]].

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** ComicBook/RasAlGhul, who is nothing if not a WellIntentionedExtremist, wants to ensure ecological stability... by [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans destroying all]] most]] [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters of humanity]].



** [[GreenThumb Poison Ivy]] can be this from time to time, DependingOnTheWriter. She would gladly wipe every human being from the face of the earth to protect the natural world, but has had a number of significant PetTheDog moments. In particular, she has a soft spot for children and Harley Quinn. When she and Harley team up, she acts as her CoolBigSis (and [[LesYay maybe more]], again DependingOnTheWriter), and seeks to end her self destructive relationship with the Joker. As for the children, when [[ComicBook/BatmanNoMansLand the quake]] devastated Gotham, she took up residence in Robinson Park and adopted sixteen children who had been orphaned by the disaster. She cared for them like a mother, and made a deal with Batman to grow food for the people of Gotham if he would let them be. After the city was rebuilt, the cops tried to evict her with a defoliant, and she was prepared to martyr herself for the park. But when one of the children was hurt she surrendered peacefully to get her medical aid. Even Batman acknowledges that deep down [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming Ivy's still more human than plant]].

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** [[GreenThumb Poison Ivy]] Comicbook/PoisonIvy can be this from time to time, DependingOnTheWriter. She would gladly wipe every human being from the face of the earth to protect the natural world, but has had a number of significant PetTheDog moments. In particular, she has a soft spot for children and Harley Quinn. When she and Harley team up, she acts as her CoolBigSis (and [[LesYay maybe more]], again DependingOnTheWriter), and seeks to end her self destructive relationship with the Joker. As for the children, when [[ComicBook/BatmanNoMansLand the quake]] devastated Gotham, she took up residence in Robinson Park and adopted sixteen children who had been orphaned by the disaster. She cared for them like a mother, and made a deal with Batman to grow food for the people of Gotham if he would let them be. After the city was rebuilt, the cops tried to evict her with a defoliant, and she was prepared to martyr herself for the park. But when one of the children was hurt she surrendered peacefully to get her medical aid. Even Batman acknowledges that deep down [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming Ivy's still more human than plant]].



** ComicBook/{{Anarky}} is a WellIntentionedExtremist, originally against corporations, but eventually turned his fight against TheMan in the form of government "Parasites." He's got a [[TheManIsKeepingUsDown long way to go]]. Even Batman acknowledges him as a force of good.



** Recent depictions of ''Comicbook/LexLuthor'' have tended to portray him as an anti-villain whose sin is an excess desire to keep the Earth safe from alien invasion coupled with excess pride. It's fairly common now to find Lex and Superman finding common ground and working together, especially in non-canonical stories.
* ''Comicbook/{{Supergirl}}'': In ''Comicbook/SupergirlRebirth'', Zor-El only wants to save his family and his city. In order to accomplish this goal, though, he makes choices which are morally dubious at best (such like sending an innocent man to an eternity of ghostly imprisonment because he was potentially dangerous), and his sanity decreases with each failure.

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** Recent Some depictions of ''Comicbook/LexLuthor'' have tended to portray portrayed him as an anti-villain whose sin is an excess desire to keep the Earth safe from alien invasion coupled with excess pride. It's fairly common now to find Lex and Superman finding common ground and working together, especially in non-canonical stories.
* ''Comicbook/{{Supergirl}}'': ''Comicbook/{{Supergirl}}'':
** ''Comicbook/DemonSpawn'': ''Technically'' Nightflame wants to save her world and its denizens... by destroying Supergirl's soul, taking over her body and doing evil things.
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In ''Comicbook/SupergirlRebirth'', Zor-El only wants to save his family and his city. In order to accomplish this goal, though, he makes choices which are morally dubious at best (such like sending an innocent man to an eternity of ghostly imprisonment because he was potentially dangerous), and his sanity decreases with each failure.
20th Oct '16 7:29:41 PM zealots
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** Actually it's in-canon that Magneto had his truly villainous moments (he once tried to nuke New York ForTheEvulz) but they're attributed to madness from his tragic life events. After being artificially de-aged into a baby (and then later aged back to an adult) he was cured of it.

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** Actually it's in-canon that Magneto had his truly villainous moments (he once tried to nuke New York ForTheEvulz) but they're attributed to madness from his tragic life events.events (DependingOnTheWriter; sometimes he is written as just an extremely high-functioning Sociopath who cares more about mutants as an abstract ideal than he does any actual flesh-and-blood mutant). After being artificially de-aged into a baby (and then later aged back to an adult) he was cured of it. And then relapsed (and was cured again, and relapsed again, because StatusQuoIsGod in comic books).
* Presenting an interesting contrast to Magneto is his sometimes-[[TheDragon Dragon]], Exodus. Their goals (defending mutantkind and/or mutant supremacy) are virtually identical, so too are their methods, but while Magneto is a Mastermind type of leader who assembles and maneuvers his team with cold pragmatism, Exodus tends to be the Headstrong type of leader who is always at the forefront of every battle he leads a team into. Both characters have Charismatic leadership as a subtype, so rarely do either of them lack for followers.
28th Aug '16 5:54:18 AM Tron80
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* Doctor Doom, arch enemy of the ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'', has been known to defend his actions on this basis from time to time, especially in regards to his iron-fisted rule over his [[{{Ruritania}} small Eastern European homeland]] Latveria. Considering Doom showed the Four the apocalyptic mess that the insane Prince Zorba made of the land after he took the throne, the Four were forced to agree that Doom would be preferable and help him retake the throne after Zorba orders a murderous purge of the population to thwart his predecessor. The Four would have been more than willing to immediately take down Doom afterward if he hadn't installed mental inhibitors in them to force them to leave instead.

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* Doctor Doom, ''Comicbook/DoctorDoom'', arch enemy of the ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'', has been known to defend his actions on this basis from time to time, especially in regards to his iron-fisted rule over his [[{{Ruritania}} small Eastern European homeland]] Latveria. Considering Doom showed the Four the apocalyptic mess that the insane Prince Zorba made of the land after he took the throne, the Four were forced to agree that Doom would be preferable and help him retake the throne after Zorba orders a murderous purge of the population to thwart his predecessor. The Four would have been more than willing to immediately take down Doom afterward if he hadn't installed mental inhibitors in them to force them to leave instead.



*** Magneto suffered a very similar fate in the same overall storyline, although he did so without being as coldly darwinistic as Doom (though it's implied that his only concern, at least at first, was saving mutants.)
* ComicBook/BlackAdam, traditionally seen as the bad guy to [[IAmNotShazam Captain Marvel's]] position of hero, made big changes under {{Geoff Johns}}. He led a team of anti-heroes including Atom Smasher and an at the time reformed Eclipso to overthrow a dictator of Adam's ancestral home. Adam made himself the dictator, but used his super powers to enforce a system of even handed justice, personally executing super criminals to the cheers of millions; he also created treaties with China and Russia during ''ComicBook/FiftyTwo'' to further his nation's place in the world; built a ton of infrastructure, freed slaves, and battled organized crime; and created his own team of side kicks, his wife Isis and brother-in-law Osiris... [[OhCrap Then Osiris and Isis got murdered]]. Black Adam massacred a middle eastern country in a battle with a [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot Cyborg Angel of Death]] and then tried to wipe China off the map and ended up in a fight with everybody.

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*** ** Magneto suffered a very similar fate in the same overall storyline, although he did so without being as coldly darwinistic as Doom (though it's implied that his only concern, at least at first, was saving mutants.)
* ComicBook/BlackAdam, traditionally seen as the bad guy to [[IAmNotShazam Captain Marvel's]] position of hero, made big changes under {{Geoff Johns}}.Creator/GeoffJohns. He led a team of anti-heroes including Atom Smasher and an at the time reformed Eclipso to overthrow a dictator of Adam's ancestral home. Adam made himself the dictator, but used his super powers to enforce a system of even handed justice, personally executing super criminals to the cheers of millions; he also created treaties with China and Russia during ''ComicBook/FiftyTwo'' to further his nation's place in the world; built a ton of infrastructure, freed slaves, and battled organized crime; and created his own team of side kicks, his wife Isis and brother-in-law Osiris... [[OhCrap Then Osiris and Isis got murdered]]. Black Adam massacred a middle eastern country in a battle with a [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot Cyborg Angel of Death]] and then tried to wipe China off the map and ended up in a fight with everybody.



* GeoffJohns has been working to turn former alien despot Sinestro into this. Formerly a rather one-dimensional villain obsessed with power and revenge, his Post-Crisis origin gave him a bit of humanity, so to speak, suggesting that he was the ruler of his planet out of necessity rather than choice. Then Geoff got hold of him, gave him a dash of WellIntentionedExtremist and a few gentle [[RetCon retcons]], and now he's barely recognizable from his first appearances.

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* Franchise/GreenLantern:
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GeoffJohns has been working to turn former alien despot Sinestro into this. Formerly a rather one-dimensional villain obsessed with power and revenge, his Post-Crisis origin gave him a bit of humanity, so to speak, suggesting that he was the ruler of his planet out of necessity rather than choice. Then Geoff got hold of him, gave him a dash of WellIntentionedExtremist and a few gentle [[RetCon retcons]], and now he's barely recognizable from his first appearances.



** Atrocitus is another one. You'd assume the leader of the Red Lantern Corps and the embodiment of Rage would be as clearcut a villain as you'd get: you'd be wrong.
*** This is mainly because what the rage-powered Red Lanterns are, well, ''raging'' against is injustice--every Red Lantern we meet was wronged greatly in some way, and harbored great rage and resentment over it. The Red Lantern rings are noted as taking the place of their bearer's hearts--they give themselves over to it, though Atrocitus seems to have his own rage mostly under control.

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** Atrocitus is another one. You'd assume the leader of the Red Lantern Corps and the embodiment of Rage would be as clearcut a villain as you'd get: you'd be wrong.
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wrong. This is mainly because what the rage-powered Red Lanterns are, well, ''raging'' against is injustice--every Red Lantern we meet was wronged greatly in some way, and harbored great rage and resentment over it. The Red Lantern rings are noted as taking the place of their bearer's hearts--they give themselves over to it, though Atrocitus seems to have his own rage mostly under control.
28th Aug '16 5:49:57 AM Tron80
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** Clayface, a former actor who just wants to be normal again.
*** His animated counterpart, anyway. The current one in the comics is an egotistical asshole who deliberately turned himself into a monster.

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** Clayface, a former actor who just wants to be normal again.
*** His animated counterpart, anyway. The current one in the comics is an
again (although some of his counterparts are egotistical asshole assholes who deliberately turned himself themselves into a monster. monsters).



** Mr. Freeze. Victor Fries was a scientist and a doctor whose wife, Nora, had a terminal disease. He put her in cryogenic stasis until a cure could be developed, but an "accident" that followed turned him into a mutant that can only survive at sub-zero temperatures. Afterwards, he dedicated himself to trying to find a way to save Nora and take his revenge on the people who ruined his life.
*** Until New 52 that is, where he was turned into a crazy man who just imagined his marriage.

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** Mr. Freeze. Victor Fries was a scientist and a doctor whose wife, Nora, had a terminal disease. He put her in cryogenic stasis until a cure could be developed, but an "accident" that followed turned him into a mutant that can only survive at sub-zero temperatures. Afterwards, he dedicated himself to trying to find a way to save Nora and take his revenge on the people who ruined his life.
*** Until
life (until New 52 that is, where he was turned into a crazy man who just imagined his marriage.marriage).



* The ''Comicbook/SpiderMan'' character Puma serves in many ways as a PunchClockVillain, only killing people he's hired to murder as a paid assassin. He originally crosses paths with Spidey after a mob boss hires him to murder the wall-crawler, but later on comes to Spider-Man's aid on several occasions. He only kills people he's paid to, and otherwise functions as a perfectly legitimate businessman in his day job, his major concerns being his own personal welfare and the needs of his people.

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* The ''Comicbook/SpiderMan'' character Franchise/SpiderMan:
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Puma serves in many ways as a PunchClockVillain, only killing people he's hired to murder as a paid assassin. He originally crosses paths with Spidey after a mob boss hires him to murder the wall-crawler, but later on comes to Spider-Man's aid on several occasions. He only kills people he's paid to, and otherwise functions as a perfectly legitimate businessman in his day job, his major concerns being his own personal welfare and the needs of his people.people.
** Mr. Negative is a ruthless crime lord who runs drugs, weapons, prostitutes, illegal immigrants, protection... His alter ego, Martin Li, is a saintly billionaire who has dedicated his life to charitable pursuits. He feels this is necessary for the sake of balance - if a man who does great evil doesn't also do great good, his spirit will never know peace.



* Spider-Man enemy Mr. Negative is a ruthless crime lord who runs drugs, weapons, prostitutes, illegal immigrants, protection... His alter ego, Martin Li, is a saintly billionaire who has dedicated his life to charitable pursuits. He feels this is necessary for the sake of balance - if a man who does great evil doesn't also do great good, his spirit will never know peace.



* Franchise/{{Superman}} enters this territory in ''ComicBook/SupermanRedSon''. As a leader of the USSR, he is a huge threat to the US and ends up ruling huge portions of the world population. But he still retains most of his heroic qualities, is attempting to create a utopia, and is very reluctant to actually do wrong. This is opposed to ComicBook/LexLuthor, an AntiHero who is America's only hope, but also a Machiavellian egotist; he doesn't actually care what happens to America, just as long as he can get one over on Superman.
** Recent depictions of Lex have tended to portray him as an anti-villain whose sin is an excess desire to keep the Earth safe from alien invasion coupled with excess pride. It's fairly common now to find Lex and Superman finding common ground and working together, especially in non-canonical stories.

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* Franchise/{{Superman}} Franchise/{{Superman}}:
** Superman
enters this territory in ''ComicBook/SupermanRedSon''. As a leader of the USSR, he is a huge threat to the US and ends up ruling huge portions of the world population. But he still retains most of his heroic qualities, is attempting to create a utopia, and is very reluctant to actually do wrong. This is opposed to ComicBook/LexLuthor, an AntiHero who is America's only hope, but also a Machiavellian egotist; he doesn't actually care what happens to America, just as long as he can get one over on Superman.
** Recent depictions of Lex ''Comicbook/LexLuthor'' have tended to portray him as an anti-villain whose sin is an excess desire to keep the Earth safe from alien invasion coupled with excess pride. It's fairly common now to find Lex and Superman finding common ground and working together, especially in non-canonical stories.stories.
* ''Comicbook/{{Supergirl}}'': In ''Comicbook/SupergirlRebirth'', Zor-El only wants to save his family and his city. In order to accomplish this goal, though, he makes choices which are morally dubious at best (such like sending an innocent man to an eternity of ghostly imprisonment because he was potentially dangerous), and his sanity decreases with each failure.
29th Jun '16 9:14:54 PM Ambaryerno
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* Mikey Rhodes, the VillainProtagonist in ''{{ComicBook/Birthright}}''. He serves as vessel to [[EldritchAbomination a demonic entity]] [[OmnicidalManiac bent on merging Earth with the dimension where it came from]]. However, his backstory is very sympathetic: he was originally the ChosenOne destined to destroy Lore (said demonic entity), and was taken to his home dimension by resistance fighters to fulfill his destiny. [[ItSucksToBeTheChosenOne Having a responsibility that he never asked for being forced on him]], as well [[ShellShockedVeteran as witnessing many horrors from the war]] and being separated from his family pushed him to become a FallenHero and [[DealWithTheDevil make a deal with Lore]] to return home. He ''doesn't'' want to destroy his world, but he is forced to obey his mater [[DemonicPossession since Lore is inside his body]] and directing him to find and kill the [[BarrierMaiden five magi that keep the two worlds apart.]]

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* Mikey Rhodes, the VillainProtagonist in ''{{ComicBook/Birthright}}''. He serves as vessel to [[EldritchAbomination a demonic entity]] [[OmnicidalManiac bent on merging Earth with the dimension where it came from]]. However, his backstory is very sympathetic: he was originally the ChosenOne destined to destroy Lore (said demonic entity), and was taken to his home dimension by resistance fighters to fulfill his destiny. [[ItSucksToBeTheChosenOne Having a responsibility that he never asked for being forced on him]], as well [[ShellShockedVeteran as witnessing many horrors from the war]] and being separated from his family pushed him to become a FallenHero and [[DealWithTheDevil make a deal with Lore]] to return home. He ''doesn't'' want to destroy his world, but he is forced to obey his mater [[DemonicPossession since Lore is inside his body]] and directing him to find and kill the [[BarrierMaiden five magi that keep the two worlds apart.]]]]
* Claudine Renko, AKA Ms. Sinister. Her actions are motivated purely by self-preservation: She was one of the ''many'' hapless victims of Mr. Sinister's experiments. In her case, she was infected with a virus that [[spoiler: in the aftermath of his death during ''Messiah Complex'' has been slowly [[CloneByConversion turning]] ''[[CloneByConversion her]]'' [[CloneByConversion into]] ''[[CloneByConversion him]]''. She's terrified of what it will mean for her if Sinister's consciousness is able to fully supplant hers, and is seeking a new body to transfer her own consciousness into to escape what is likely to be certain death. It only gets ''worse'' after an encounter with Comicbook/{{Daken}} goes very badly for her, as he injures her in a manner that leaves her severely weakened. She picks Comicbook/{{X 23}} to steal her body because of her powerful HealingFactor. She's never actively malicious about it, she's just desperate to survive]].
19th May '16 9:27:42 AM Doug86
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* The ''Comicbook/{{Spider-Man}}'' character Puma serves in many ways as a PunchClockVillain, only killing people he's hired to murder as a paid assassin. He originally crosses paths with Spidey after a mob boss hires him to murder the wall-crawler, but later on comes to Spider-Man's aid on several occasions. He only kills people he's paid to, and otherwise functions as a perfectly legitimate businessman in his day job, his major concerns being his own personal welfare and the needs of his people.

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* The ''Comicbook/{{Spider-Man}}'' ''Comicbook/SpiderMan'' character Puma serves in many ways as a PunchClockVillain, only killing people he's hired to murder as a paid assassin. He originally crosses paths with Spidey after a mob boss hires him to murder the wall-crawler, but later on comes to Spider-Man's aid on several occasions. He only kills people he's paid to, and otherwise functions as a perfectly legitimate businessman in his day job, his major concerns being his own personal welfare and the needs of his people.
15th May '16 9:41:39 AM nombretomado
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* {{Magneto}} of ''ComicBook/{{X-Men}}'' fame is a Holocaust survivor who has taken "Never Again" to its extreme conclusion. A WellIntentionedExtremist who has frequently shown kindness and mercy towards his rivals, most of his victims tend to deserve it, such as the angry mob responsible for the death of his family. He has done more than one HeelFaceTurn, and has a deep respect for arch-rival Charles Xavier.

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* {{Magneto}} ComicBook/{{Magneto}} of ''ComicBook/{{X-Men}}'' ''ComicBook/XMen'' fame is a Holocaust survivor who has taken "Never Again" to its extreme conclusion. A WellIntentionedExtremist who has frequently shown kindness and mercy towards his rivals, most of his victims tend to deserve it, such as the angry mob responsible for the death of his family. He has done more than one HeelFaceTurn, and has a deep respect for arch-rival Charles Xavier.
8th May '16 10:10:25 AM narm00
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* Earth-10's Overman from ''[[ComicBook/TheMultiversity Mastermen #10]]''. He feels immense guilt for the lives lost in the creation of his psuedo-utopia, to the point of [[spoiler:becoming TheMole for the Freedom Fighters]].

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* Earth-10's Overman from ''[[ComicBook/TheMultiversity Mastermen #10]]''.#1]]''. He feels immense guilt for the lives lost in the creation of his psuedo-utopia, to the point of [[spoiler:becoming TheMole for the Freedom Fighters]].
27th Apr '16 8:17:50 PM TheNerevarine
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* Mikey Rhodes, the VillainProtagonist in ''{{ComicBook/Birthright}}''. He serves as vessel to [[EldritchAbomination a demonic entity]] [[OmnicidalManiac bent on merging Earth with the dimension where it came from]]. However, his backstory is very sympathetic: he was originally the ChosenOne destined to Lore (said demonic entity), and was taken to that dimension to fight the war. [[ItSucksToBeTheChosenOne Having a responsibility that he never asked for being forced on him]], as well [[ShellShockedVeteran as witnessing many horrors from the war]] and being separated from his family pushed him to become a FallenHero and [[DealWithTheDevil make a deal with Lore]] to return home. He loves his family and he doesn't want their world destroyed, but he has no choice in the matter, [[DemonicPossession since Lore is inside his body]], therefore he has to obey him.

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* Mikey Rhodes, the VillainProtagonist in ''{{ComicBook/Birthright}}''. He serves as vessel to [[EldritchAbomination a demonic entity]] [[OmnicidalManiac bent on merging Earth with the dimension where it came from]]. However, his backstory is very sympathetic: he was originally the ChosenOne destined to destroy Lore (said demonic entity), and was taken to that his home dimension by resistance fighters to fight the war.fulfill his destiny. [[ItSucksToBeTheChosenOne Having a responsibility that he never asked for being forced on him]], as well [[ShellShockedVeteran as witnessing many horrors from the war]] and being separated from his family pushed him to become a FallenHero and [[DealWithTheDevil make a deal with Lore]] to return home. He loves his family and he doesn't ''doesn't'' want their world destroyed, to destroy his world, but he has no choice in the matter, is forced to obey his mater [[DemonicPossession since Lore is inside his body]], therefore he has body]] and directing him to obey him.find and kill the [[BarrierMaiden five magi that keep the two worlds apart.]]
22nd Apr '16 2:14:52 AM TheNerevarine
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* Mikey Rhodes, the VillainProtagonist in ''{{ComicBook/Birthright}}''. He serves as vessel to [[EldritchAbomination a demonic entity]] [[OmnicidalManiacbent on merging Earth with the dimension where it came from]]. However, his backstory is very sympathetic: he was originally the ChosenOne destined to Lore (said demonic entity), and was taken to that dimension to fight the war. [[ItSucksToBeTheChosenOne Having a responsibility that he never asked for being forced on him]], as well [[ShellShockedVeteran as witnessing many horrors from the war]] and being separated from his family pushed him to become a FallenHero and [[DealWithTheDevil make a deal with Lore]] to return home. He loves his family and he doesn't want their world destroyed, but he has no choice in the matter, [[DemonicPossession since Lore is inside his body]], therefore he has to obey him.

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* Mikey Rhodes, the VillainProtagonist in ''{{ComicBook/Birthright}}''. He serves as vessel to [[EldritchAbomination a demonic entity]] [[OmnicidalManiacbent [[OmnicidalManiac bent on merging Earth with the dimension where it came from]]. However, his backstory is very sympathetic: he was originally the ChosenOne destined to Lore (said demonic entity), and was taken to that dimension to fight the war. [[ItSucksToBeTheChosenOne Having a responsibility that he never asked for being forced on him]], as well [[ShellShockedVeteran as witnessing many horrors from the war]] and being separated from his family pushed him to become a FallenHero and [[DealWithTheDevil make a deal with Lore]] to return home. He loves his family and he doesn't want their world destroyed, but he has no choice in the matter, [[DemonicPossession since Lore is inside his body]], therefore he has to obey him.
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