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Third, people from societies that promoted war, such as ancient Sparta or Viking-age Scandinavia, [[TheCynic thought that they were living in a]] CrapsackWorld, with the RatedMForManly warriors feeling that [[MartyrdomCulture dying for a good cause]] was better than waiting to die of old age. In Myth/NorseMythology, those who died bravely in combat went to [[WarriorHeaven Valhalla]].

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Third, people from societies that promoted war, such as ancient Sparta or Viking-age Scandinavia, [[TheCynic thought that they were living in a]] CrapsackWorld, with the RatedMForManly warriors feeling that [[MartyrdomCulture dying for a good cause]] was better than waiting to die of old age. In Myth/NorseMythology, those who died bravely in combat went to [[WarriorHeaven Valhalla]].
Valhalla]]. Even outside the romanticization, many people lived in a world without the benefits of modern science, medicine, or ideas of justice and equity -- you spent your life working for an uncaring master, punishments for what we would now consider minor offenses were often brutal and dehumanizing, and people died tragically young from accidents, illnesses, and conditions we would consider preventable often enough for it to be a regular and noticeable occurrence. For many, being a soldier was not necessarily a ''uniquely'' brutal or dehumanizing experience compared to the world they were already used to.
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Historically, this trope might be NewerThanTheyThink. [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy There is a long literary tradition of]] [[WarIsGlorious glorifying war]]: [[RatedMForManly bravery, discipline, manliness,]] [[MartyrdomCulture martyrdom]] and [[MightMakesRight the right of the strong]] [[RightMakesMight to defend the weak]], [[SocialDarwinist or even to take from the weak]]. As photographs, film and other forms of mass media from the front became more and more common, the newer trope became more and more mainstream, [[TropeBreaker eventually making said tradition obsolete]] -- it's easier to glorify war when you can't see it up close. And there was one other major contributing factor to the paradigm shift: the increasing ''brutality'' of how war was waged. To wit...

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Historically, this trope might be NewerThanTheyThink. [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy There is a long literary tradition of]] tradition]] of [[WarIsGlorious glorifying war]]: [[RatedMForManly bravery, discipline, manliness,]] manliness]], [[MartyrdomCulture martyrdom]] and [[MightMakesRight the right of the strong]] to [[RightMakesMight to defend the weak]], or even to [[SocialDarwinist or even to take from the weak]]. As photographs, film and other forms of mass media from the front became more and more common, the newer trope became more and more mainstream, [[TropeBreaker eventually making said tradition obsolete]] -- it's easier to glorify war when you can't see it up close. And there was one other major contributing factor to the paradigm shift: the increasing ''brutality'' of how war was waged. To wit...
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Second, being in constant fear for your life and limb is obviously stressful. Especially in the era of modern industrialized combat, which is more dehumanizing than ancient combat. Back then, if you were a genuine badass with both talent and training, you felt like you were in control of your destiny. Furthermore, war might have actually been fun for those who were actually winning. Modern warfare with its mines, partisans, snipers, machine-guns, grenades, mortars, artillery, gunship-helicopters, ground-attack aircraft, firestorms, poisonous gases, deadly toxins, infectious diseases, killer drones, and massive conventional and nuclear bombs, mean that [[DeathFromAbove death can strike without warning or defense]] - instilling a mindset of paranoia, insignificance, helplessness and nihilistic despair similar to that portrayed by [[CosmicHorrorStory Lovecraftian Fiction]]. Chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons in particular render your actions more-or-less totally meaningless, as your life itself depends entirely upon whether or ''when'' the enemy chooses to use them upon you.

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Second, being in constant fear for your life and limb is obviously stressful. Especially in the era of modern industrialized combat, which is more dehumanizing than ancient combat. Back then, if you were a genuine badass with both talent and training, you felt like you were in control of your destiny. Furthermore, war might have actually been fun for those who were actually winning. Modern warfare with its mines, partisans, snipers, machine-guns, grenades, mortars, artillery, gunship-helicopters, ground-attack aircraft, firestorms, poisonous gases, deadly toxins, infectious diseases, killer drones, and massive conventional and nuclear bombs, mean that [[DeathFromAbove death can strike strike]] [[ParanoiaFuel without warning or defense]] - instilling a mindset of paranoia, insignificance, helplessness and nihilistic despair similar to that portrayed by [[CosmicHorrorStory Lovecraftian Fiction]]. Chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons in particular render your actions more-or-less totally meaningless, as your life itself depends entirely upon whether or ''when'' the enemy chooses to use them upon you.
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Third, people from societies that promoted war, such as ancient Sparta or Viking-age Scandinavia, [[GrumpyBear thought that they were living in a]] CrapsackWorld, with the RatedMForManly warriors feeling that [[MartyrdomCulture dying for a good cause]] was better than waiting to die of old age. In Myth/NorseMythology, those who died bravely in combat went to [[WarriorHeaven Valhalla]].

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Third, people from societies that promoted war, such as ancient Sparta or Viking-age Scandinavia, [[GrumpyBear [[TheCynic thought that they were living in a]] CrapsackWorld, with the RatedMForManly warriors feeling that [[MartyrdomCulture dying for a good cause]] was better than waiting to die of old age. In Myth/NorseMythology, those who died bravely in combat went to [[WarriorHeaven Valhalla]].
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This doesn't necessarily discredit war or render it obsolete. If anything, this trope has helped promote justifications of conflict along the lines of it being either a [[NecessarilyEvil necessary evil]] or an undesirable, last-ditch option when more peaceful means fail. In that regard, especially in North America and Britain, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII is the shining example of that considering the despicable [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany nature of]] [[UsefulNotes/KatanasOfTheRisingSun their enemies]] and the fact that they were the victors with relatively light losses. In addition, paradoxically and in one of the most confounding ironies known to man, it's been argued that war in some sense ''has'' [[http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/in-the-long-run-wars-make-us-safer-and-richer/2014/04/25/a4207660-c965-11e3-a75e-463587891b57_story.html been good for something]]: namely helping make larger, stable and more peaceful societies possible while reducing the risk of violence over time, and thus ''less'' war.

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This doesn't necessarily discredit war or render it obsolete. If anything, this trope has helped promote justifications of conflict along the lines of it being either a [[NecessarilyEvil necessary evil]] or an undesirable, last-ditch option when more peaceful means fail. In that regard, especially in North America and Britain, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII is the shining example of that considering the despicable [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany nature of]] [[UsefulNotes/KatanasOfTheRisingSun their enemies]] and the fact that they were the victors with relatively light losses. In addition, paradoxically and in one of the most confounding ironies known to man, it's been argued that war in some sense ''has'' [[http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/in-the-long-run-wars-make-us-safer-and-richer/2014/04/25/a4207660-c965-11e3-a75e-463587891b57_story.html been good for something]]: namely helping make larger, stable and more peaceful societies possible while reducing the risk of violence over time, and thus ''less'' war.war.
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Historically, this trope might be NewerThanTheyThink. [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy There is a long literary tradition of]] [[WarIsGlorious glorifying war]]: [[RatedMForManly bravery, discipline, manliness,]] [[MartyrdomCulture martyrdom]] and the [[ValuesDissonance right of the]] [[SocialDarwinist strong to take from the weak]]. As photographs, film and other forms of mass media from the front became more and more common, the newer trope became more and more mainstream, [[TropeBreaker eventually making said tradition obsolete]] -- it's easier to glorify war when you can't see it up close. And there was one other major contributing factor to the paradigm shift: the increasing ''brutality'' of how war was waged. To wit....

Though isolated examples of this date back to UsefulNotes/TheRenaissance (in non-fiction), the [[UrExample earliest recognized instance of widespread belief in this trope]] is probably the UsefulNotes/ThirtyYearsWar, which [[UsefulNotes/AllTheLittleGermanies ruined the German states]] and involved such frequent changes of alliances that nobody was really sure why anyone was fighting anybody. The mass armies' constant need to raid the populace for conscripts and food meant that it directly affected a large segment of the population when, before, wars had largely passed the vast majority of the people. As a result, several artists of the period depicted war as a distinctly nasty experience, and popular accounts like sayings seem to confirm a rather gloomy attitude. However, after the Thirty Years' War ended, European militaries grew smaller and wars further from the people (until UsefulNotes/TheNapoleonicWars, at least), and the trope receded.

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Historically, this trope might be NewerThanTheyThink. [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy There is a long literary tradition of]] [[WarIsGlorious glorifying war]]: [[RatedMForManly bravery, discipline, manliness,]] [[MartyrdomCulture martyrdom]] and [[MightMakesRight the [[ValuesDissonance right of the]] the strong]] [[RightMakesMight to defend the weak]], [[SocialDarwinist strong or even to take from the weak]]. As photographs, film and other forms of mass media from the front became more and more common, the newer trope became more and more mainstream, [[TropeBreaker eventually making said tradition obsolete]] -- it's easier to glorify war when you can't see it up close. And there was one other major contributing factor to the paradigm shift: the increasing ''brutality'' of how war was waged. To wit....

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Though isolated examples of this date back to UsefulNotes/TheRenaissance or earlier (in non-fiction), the [[UrExample earliest recognized instance of widespread belief in this trope]] is probably the UsefulNotes/ThirtyYearsWar, which [[UsefulNotes/AllTheLittleGermanies ruined the German states]] and involved such frequent changes of alliances that nobody was really sure why anyone was fighting anybody. The mass armies' constant need to raid the populace for conscripts and food meant that it directly affected a large segment of the population when, before, wars had largely passed the vast majority of the people. As a result, several artists of the period depicted war as a distinctly nasty experience, and popular accounts like sayings seem to confirm a rather gloomy attitude. However, after the Thirty Years' War ended, European militaries grew smaller and wars further from the people (until UsefulNotes/TheNapoleonicWars, at least), and the trope receded.
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Third, the societies that promoted war, such as ancient Sparta or Viking-age Scandinavia, are also thought to have been {{Crapsack World}}s, with the warfare-oriented cultures feeling that [[MartyrdomCulture dying for a good cause]] was better than waiting to die of old age. In Myth/NorseMythology, those who died in combat went to [[WarriorHeaven Valhalla]].

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Third, the people from societies that promoted war, such as ancient Sparta or Viking-age Scandinavia, are also [[GrumpyBear thought to have been {{Crapsack World}}s, that they were living in a]] CrapsackWorld, with the warfare-oriented cultures RatedMForManly warriors feeling that [[MartyrdomCulture dying for a good cause]] was better than waiting to die of old age. In Myth/NorseMythology, those who died bravely in combat went to [[WarriorHeaven Valhalla]].
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Third, the societies that promoted war, such as ancient Sparta or Viking-age Scandinavia, are also thought to have been {{Crapsack World}}s, with the warfare-oriented cultures feeling that a swift death [[MartyrdomCulture knowing they did something meaningful]] was better than waiting to die of old age. In Myth/NorseMythology, those who died in combat went to [[WarriorHeaven Valhalla]].

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Third, the societies that promoted war, such as ancient Sparta or Viking-age Scandinavia, are also thought to have been {{Crapsack World}}s, with the warfare-oriented cultures feeling that a swift death [[MartyrdomCulture knowing they did something meaningful]] dying for a good cause]] was better than waiting to die of old age. In Myth/NorseMythology, those who died in combat went to [[WarriorHeaven Valhalla]].
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Historically, this trope might be NewerThanTheyThink. [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy There is a long literary tradition of]] [[WarIsGlorious glorifying war]]: [[RatedMForManly bravery, discipline, manliness,]] [[MartyrdomCulture martyrdom]] and the [[ValuesDissonance right of the]] [[SocialDarwinist strong to take from the weak]]. As photographs, film and other forms of mass media from the front became more and more common, the newer trope became more and more mainstream, [[TropeBreaker eventually making said tradition obsolete]] -- it's easier to glorify war when you can't see it up close. And there was one other major contributing factor to the paradigm shift: the increasing ''brutality'' of how war was waged. To wit....

Though isolated examples of this date back to UsefulNotes/TheRenaissance (in non-fiction), the [[UrExample earliest recognized instance of widespread belief in this trope]] is probably the UsefulNotes/ThirtyYearsWar, which [[UsefulNotes/AllTheLittleGermanies ruined the German states]] and involved such frequent changes of alliances that nobody was really sure why anyone was fighting anybody. The mass armies' constant need to raid the populace for conscripts and food meant that it directly affected a large segment of the population when, before, wars had largely passed the vast majority of the people. As a result, several artists of the period depicted war as a distinctly nasty experience, and popular accounts like sayings seem to confirm a rather gloomy attitude. However, after the Thirty Years' War ended, European militaries grew smaller and wars further from the people (until UsefulNotes/TheNapoleonicWars, at least), and the trope receded.

UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar prompted another early expression of the trope: US Army General William Sherman is commonly credited with saying "[[TropeNamer War is Hell]]." Rebel General Robert E. Lee held a similar sentiment: "It is well that war is so terrible, [[ColonelKilgore lest we grow too fond of it.]]" It was the first modern 'Total War' and chewed through a hitherto-unheard-of proportion of that country's countryside, people, and wealth. Furthermore, it was the first war that was ''extensively'' photographed and one public exhibition of war-photos, ''The Dead of Antietam'' by Mathew Brady, made for such a powerful impression that one reviewer said of it: "Mr. Brady has done something to bring home to us the terrible reality and earnestness of war. If he has not brought bodies and laid them in our dooryards and along the streets, he has done something very like it."

However, since the moral justification for ''that'' war was obvious to everyone fighting, in the fields and factories, and overseas, the horrors of war were just that bit more bearable than they might otherwise have been on account of it them being done in a genuinely good cause. The trope was only really... [[ObligatoryJoke entrenched]]... in European and Euro-sphere culture during UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, which was far bloodier and had no great moral cause that the people fighting it could comfort themselves with - though during the war itself the British successfully managed to slander Germany as an aggressive expansionist power that wanted to dominate the world (she'd had problems, but wanting to TakeOverTheWorld wasn't one of them). Thanks to near-universal conscription in all the major countries of Europe, a large number of writers, poets and artists of the early 20th century had combat-experience, and they did not like what they saw.

There are several reasons for this. One is that we aren't born as {{sociopathic soldier}}s and most modern societies frown on killing for any reason. Most military basic training spends [[TrainingFromHell quite a bit of effort]] to instill into recruits that killing is acceptable and the ends justify the means because their enemies are "savage" and/or "[[FantasticRacism subhuman]]". For a good look, ''Film/FullMetalJacket'' is a movie to watch. Still, overcoming a lifetime of moral imprinting is very difficult. Many past societies taught their ChildSoldiers from birth that killing in war was their noble destiny, firmly establishing that WarIsGlorious.

Second, being in constant fear for your life and limb is obviously stressful. Especially in the era of modern industrialized combat, which is more dehumanizing than ancient combat. Back then, if you were a genuine badass with both talent and training, you felt like you were in control of your destiny. Furthermore, war might have actually been fun for those who were actually winning. Modern warfare with its mines, partisans, snipers, machine-guns, grenades, mortars, artillery, gunship-helicopters, ground-attack aircraft, firestorms, poisonous gases, deadly toxins, infectious diseases, killer drones, and massive conventional and nuclear bombs, mean that [[DeathFromAbove death can strike without warning or defense]] - instilling a mindset of paranoia, insignificance, helplessness and nihilistic despair similar to that portrayed by [[CosmicHorrorStory Lovecraftian Fiction]]. Chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons in particular render your actions more-or-less totally meaningless, as your life itself depends entirely upon whether or ''when'' the enemy chooses to use them upon you.

Third, the societies that promoted war, such as ancient Sparta or Viking-age Scandinavia, are also thought to have been {{Crapsack World}}s, with the warfare-oriented cultures feeling that a swift death [[MartyrdomCulture knowing they did something meaningful]] was better than waiting to die of old age. In Myth/NorseMythology, those who died in combat went to [[WarriorHeaven Valhalla]].

And finally, we live in an era of Freedom of Expression where everybody can write and express their opinions. Past societies tended to disdain slaves along with "the common folk" and only recorded the way they lived in general terms. Anything they didn't like could be censored easily. Therefore, anti-war opinions would not be found very often in pre-modern writings, although as early as [[UsefulNotes/TheHundredYearsWar the 14th century]], [[http://sciencenordic.com/violent-knights-feared-posttraumatic-stress at least one knight admitted that war could be as terrifying for his own class as it was for the peasant class]]; today, however, stories of war being hell get picked up fast.

This doesn't necessarily discredit war or render it obsolete. If anything, this trope has helped promote justifications of conflict along the lines of it being either a [[NecessarilyEvil necessary evil]] or an undesirable, last-ditch option when more peaceful means fail. In that regard, especially in North America and Britain, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII is the shining example of that considering the despicable [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany nature of]] [[UsefulNotes/KatanasOfTheRisingSun their enemies]] and the fact that they were the victors with relatively light losses. In addition, paradoxically and in one of the most confounding ironies known to man, it's been argued that war in some sense ''has'' [[http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/in-the-long-run-wars-make-us-safer-and-richer/2014/04/25/a4207660-c965-11e3-a75e-463587891b57_story.html been good for something]]: namely helping make larger, stable and more peaceful societies possible while reducing the risk of violence over time, and thus ''less'' war.

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