History Analysis / Antihero

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'''ClassicalAntiHero''': For much of history, the term ''anti-hero'' referred to a character type that contrasts the badass, bitter, misanthropic, violent qualities of the modern day ''antihero''. In classical and earlier mythology, the hero tended to be a dashing, confident, stoic, intelligent, highly capable fighter and commander with few, if any, flaws. The classical anti-hero inverts this by being: plagued with self-doubt, mediocre (or worse) in combat, frightened/cowardly and/or not particularly bright. The classical anti-hero's story tends to be about overcoming his own weaknesses and conquering the enemy. Whether or not that happens heavily depends on the story's placement in the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism. In an idealistic story, they are all but guaranteed to find true heroism by the end - in a more cynical setting, it's less likely.

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'''ClassicalAntiHero''': '''ClassicalAntiHero or Type I''': For much of history, the term ''anti-hero'' referred to a character type that contrasts the badass, bitter, misanthropic, violent qualities of the modern day ''antihero''. In classical and earlier mythology, the hero tended to be a dashing, confident, stoic, intelligent, highly capable fighter and commander with few, if any, flaws. The classical anti-hero inverts this by being: plagued with self-doubt, mediocre (or worse) in combat, frightened/cowardly and/or not particularly bright. The classical anti-hero's story tends to be about overcoming his own weaknesses and conquering the enemy. Whether or not that happens heavily depends on the story's placement in the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism. In an idealistic story, they are all but guaranteed to find true heroism by the end - in a more cynical setting, it's less likely.



'''[[KnightInSourArmour Disney Anti Hero]]''': This is what the term often means in common speech - a character who contrasts with a squeaky clean KnightInShiningArmor--perhaps a KnightInSourArmor. The term "Disney" is used, because giving it some thought, this character is a hero, with HeroicSpirit, except that they don't have the positive mental attitude that comes with being a straight hero. Very frequent amongst the MrViceGuy. Like the ClassicalAntiHero, a Disney antihero stands a good chance of transforming into a straight hero over the course of the story once they confront their internal conflicts, find someone they want to protect, etc.

'''[[PragmaticHero Pragmatic Anti-Hero]]''': These are iffier, but no worse than neutral and some stay in the "good" category throughout. This type is willing to ShootTheDog or otherwise [[IDidWhatIHadToDo do what they must do]]. While some of these share the snarkiness associated with a Disney AntiHero, they are somewhat darker than the previous version, as their AntiHero status is associated with their willingness to do [[GoodIsNotNice good through "not nice" actions.]] Essentially a "meaner" version of the Disney AntiHero. They may get nicer and turn into straight heroes over the course of the story, but they just as likely may not.

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'''[[KnightInSourArmour Disney Anti Hero]]''': Hero]] or Type II''': This is what the term often means in common speech - a character who contrasts with a squeaky clean KnightInShiningArmor--perhaps a KnightInSourArmor. The term "Disney" is used, because giving it some thought, this character is a hero, with HeroicSpirit, except that they don't have the positive mental attitude that comes with being a straight hero. Very frequent amongst the MrViceGuy. Like the ClassicalAntiHero, a Disney antihero stands a good chance of transforming into a straight hero over the course of the story once they confront their internal conflicts, find someone they want to protect, etc.

'''[[PragmaticHero Pragmatic Anti-Hero]]''': Anti-Hero]] or Type III''': These are iffier, but no worse than neutral and some stay in the "good" category throughout. This type is willing to ShootTheDog or otherwise [[IDidWhatIHadToDo do what they must do]]. While some of these share the snarkiness associated with a Disney AntiHero, they are somewhat darker than the previous version, as their AntiHero status is associated with their willingness to do [[GoodIsNotNice good through "not nice" actions.]] Essentially a "meaner" version of the Disney AntiHero. They may get nicer and turn into straight heroes over the course of the story, but they just as likely may not.



'''UnscrupulousHero''': These are the darkest possible while having fundamentally good intentions. This type of AntiHero will recurrently be extremely vicious. In some cases they might simply live in a very CrapsackWorld setting, and could have been a "Disney AntiHero" in a more idyllic setting. This character may have [[BrokenBird undergone something incredibly traumatic]] that made them beyond cynical. Their idea of justice towards someone who made their life a living hell may be serving {{revenge}} not as a side dish, but as the main course, because they feel that person [[PayEvilUntoEvil fully deserves it]]; at the same time, these enemies will be unsympathetic to begin with, [[LaserGuidedKarma to the point where getting rid of them would still be doing the world a favor]]. There is some chance that they may see the error in their ways, get rid of the bloodthirst, and change into a straight hero over the course of the story, but don't hold your breath; a more likely scenario is that they'll remain an AntiHero and retain many of their flaws, but shift up the scale to a more unambiguously good type.

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'''UnscrupulousHero''': '''UnscrupulousHero or Type IV''': These are the darkest possible while having fundamentally good intentions. This type of AntiHero will recurrently be extremely vicious. In some cases they might simply live in a very CrapsackWorld setting, and could have been a "Disney AntiHero" in a more idyllic setting. This character may have [[BrokenBird undergone something incredibly traumatic]] that made them beyond cynical. Their idea of justice towards someone who made their life a living hell may be serving {{revenge}} not as a side dish, but as the main course, because they feel that person [[PayEvilUntoEvil fully deserves it]]; at the same time, these enemies will be unsympathetic to begin with, [[LaserGuidedKarma to the point where getting rid of them would still be doing the world a favor]]. There is some chance that they may see the error in their ways, get rid of the bloodthirst, and change into a straight hero over the course of the story, but don't hold your breath; a more likely scenario is that they'll remain an AntiHero and retain many of their flaws, but shift up the scale to a more unambiguously good type.



'''NominalHero''': While these anti-heroes may fight on the side of good, their intentions/motivations are anything but. These people range from [[NotInThisForYourRevolution amoral characters who happen to be pointed at the villains for one reason or another,]] to actively malevolent characters, [[BlackAndGrayMorality only considered heroes]] because the villains they fight are [[EvenEvilHasStandards much worse]]. They often fall under the title of [[EnemyMine the Enemy of my Enemy]]. These anti-heroes stand practically no chance of becoming straight heroes; if they do, the very credibility of the story is likely to be threatened.

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'''NominalHero''': '''NominalHero or Type V''': While these anti-heroes may fight on the side of good, their intentions/motivations are anything but. These people range from [[NotInThisForYourRevolution amoral characters who happen to be pointed at the villains for one reason or another,]] to actively malevolent characters, [[BlackAndGrayMorality only considered heroes]] because the villains they fight are [[EvenEvilHasStandards much worse]]. They often fall under the title of [[EnemyMine the Enemy of my Enemy]]. These anti-heroes stand practically no chance of becoming straight heroes; if they do, the very credibility of the story is likely to be threatened.



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28th Oct '13 7:05:34 AM RCFU200
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'''NominalHero''': While these type of anti-heroes may fight on the side of good, their intentions/motivations are anything but. These can range from [[NotInThisForYourRevolution amoral characters who happen to be pointed at the villains for one reason or another,]] to actively malevolent characters, [[BlackAndGrayMorality only considered heroes]] because the villains they fight are [[EvenEvilHasStandards much worse]]. They often fall under the title of [[EnemyMine the Enemy of my Enemy]]. These anti-heroes stand practically no chance of becoming straight heroes; if they do, the very credibility of the story is likely to be threatened.

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'''NominalHero''': While these type of anti-heroes may fight on the side of good, their intentions/motivations are anything but. These can people range from [[NotInThisForYourRevolution amoral characters who happen to be pointed at the villains for one reason or another,]] to actively malevolent characters, [[BlackAndGrayMorality only considered heroes]] because the villains they fight are [[EvenEvilHasStandards much worse]]. They often fall under the title of [[EnemyMine the Enemy of my Enemy]]. These anti-heroes stand practically no chance of becoming straight heroes; if they do, the very credibility of the story is likely to be threatened.
14th Sep '13 11:39:22 AM Nithael
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'''[[NominalHero]]''': While these type of anti-heroes may fight on the side of good, their intentions/motivations are anything but. These can range from [[NotInThisForYourRevolution amoral characters who happen to be pointed at the villains for one reason or another,]] to actively malevolent characters, [[BlackAndGrayMorality only considered heroes]] because the villains they fight are [[EvenEvilHasStandards much worse]]. They often fall under the title of [[EnemyMine the Enemy of my Enemy]]. These anti-heroes stand practically no chance of becoming straight heroes; if they do, the very credibility of the story is likely to be threatened.

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'''[[NominalHero]]''': '''NominalHero''': While these type of anti-heroes may fight on the side of good, their intentions/motivations are anything but. These can range from [[NotInThisForYourRevolution amoral characters who happen to be pointed at the villains for one reason or another,]] to actively malevolent characters, [[BlackAndGrayMorality only considered heroes]] because the villains they fight are [[EvenEvilHasStandards much worse]]. They often fall under the title of [[EnemyMine the Enemy of my Enemy]]. These anti-heroes stand practically no chance of becoming straight heroes; if they do, the very credibility of the story is likely to be threatened.
13th Sep '13 5:40:22 PM HarleyQuinnhyenaholic
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'''[[NominalHero "Hero" in Name Only]]''': While these type of anti-heroes may fight on the side of good, their intentions/motivations are anything but. These can range from [[NotInThisForYourRevolution amoral characters who happen to be pointed at the villains for one reason or another,]] to actively malevolent characters, [[BlackAndGrayMorality only considered heroes]] because the villains they fight are [[EvenEvilHasStandards much worse]]. They often fall under the title of [[EnemyMine the Enemy of my Enemy]]. These anti-heroes stand practically no chance of becoming straight heroes; if they do, the very credibility of the story is likely to be threatened.

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'''[[NominalHero "Hero" in Name Only]]''': '''[[NominalHero]]''': While these type of anti-heroes may fight on the side of good, their intentions/motivations are anything but. These can range from [[NotInThisForYourRevolution amoral characters who happen to be pointed at the villains for one reason or another,]] to actively malevolent characters, [[BlackAndGrayMorality only considered heroes]] because the villains they fight are [[EvenEvilHasStandards much worse]]. They often fall under the title of [[EnemyMine the Enemy of my Enemy]]. These anti-heroes stand practically no chance of becoming straight heroes; if they do, the very credibility of the story is likely to be threatened.
3rd Aug '13 2:09:32 AM lu127
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%%Do not add Type I, II, III, etc. These labels are meaningless and we're trying to get rid of them.
%%Once again, do not add these labels. If you see them linked from anywhere, remove the numeral and list the %%appropriate trope.



Type I - '''ClassicalAntiHero''': For much of history, the term ''anti-hero'' referred to a character type that contrasts the badass, bitter, misanthropic, violent qualities of the modern day ''antihero''. In classical and earlier mythology, the hero tended to be a dashing, confident, stoic, intelligent, highly capable fighter and commander with few, if any, flaws. The classical anti-hero inverts this by being: plagued with self-doubt, mediocre (or worse) in combat, frightened/cowardly and/or not particularly bright. The classical anti-hero's story tends to be about overcoming his own weaknesses and conquering the enemy. Whether or not that happens heavily depends on the story's placement in the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism. In an idealistic story, they are all but guaranteed to find true heroism by the end - in a more cynical setting, it's less likely.

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Type I - '''ClassicalAntiHero''': For much of history, the term ''anti-hero'' referred to a character type that contrasts the badass, bitter, misanthropic, violent qualities of the modern day ''antihero''. In classical and earlier mythology, the hero tended to be a dashing, confident, stoic, intelligent, highly capable fighter and commander with few, if any, flaws. The classical anti-hero inverts this by being: plagued with self-doubt, mediocre (or worse) in combat, frightened/cowardly and/or not particularly bright. The classical anti-hero's story tends to be about overcoming his own weaknesses and conquering the enemy. Whether or not that happens heavily depends on the story's placement in the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism. In an idealistic story, they are all but guaranteed to find true heroism by the end - in a more cynical setting, it's less likely.



Type II - '''[[KnightInSourArmour Disney Anti Hero]]''': This is what the term often means in common speech - a character who contrasts with a squeaky clean KnightInShiningArmor--perhaps a KnightInSourArmor. The term "Disney" is used, because giving it some thought, this character is a hero, with HeroicSpirit, except that they don't have the positive mental attitude that comes with being a straight hero. Very frequent amongst the MrViceGuy. Like the ClassicalAntiHero, a Disney antihero stands a good chance of transforming into a straight hero over the course of the story once they confront their internal conflicts, find someone they want to protect, etc.

Type III - '''[[PragmaticHero Pragmatic Anti-Hero]]''': These are iffier, but no worse than neutral and some stay in the "good" category throughout. This type is willing to ShootTheDog or otherwise [[IDidWhatIHadToDo do what they must do]]. While some of these share the snarkiness associated with a Disney AntiHero, they are somewhat darker than the previous version, as their AntiHero status is associated with their willingness to do [[GoodIsNotNice good through "not nice" actions.]] Essentially a "meaner" version of the Disney AntiHero. They may get nicer and turn into straight heroes over the course of the story, but they just as likely may not.

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Type II - '''[[KnightInSourArmour Disney Anti Hero]]''': This is what the term often means in common speech - a character who contrasts with a squeaky clean KnightInShiningArmor--perhaps a KnightInSourArmor. The term "Disney" is used, because giving it some thought, this character is a hero, with HeroicSpirit, except that they don't have the positive mental attitude that comes with being a straight hero. Very frequent amongst the MrViceGuy. Like the ClassicalAntiHero, a Disney antihero stands a good chance of transforming into a straight hero over the course of the story once they confront their internal conflicts, find someone they want to protect, etc.

Type III - '''[[PragmaticHero Pragmatic Anti-Hero]]''': These are iffier, but no worse than neutral and some stay in the "good" category throughout. This type is willing to ShootTheDog or otherwise [[IDidWhatIHadToDo do what they must do]]. While some of these share the snarkiness associated with a Disney AntiHero, they are somewhat darker than the previous version, as their AntiHero status is associated with their willingness to do [[GoodIsNotNice good through "not nice" actions.]] Essentially a "meaner" version of the Disney AntiHero. They may get nicer and turn into straight heroes over the course of the story, but they just as likely may not.



Type IV - '''UnscrupulousHero''': These are the darkest possible while having fundamentally good intentions. This type of AntiHero will recurrently be extremely vicious. In some cases they might simply live in a very CrapsackWorld setting, and could have been a "Disney AntiHero" in a more idyllic setting. This character may have [[BrokenBird undergone something incredibly traumatic]] that made them beyond cynical. Their idea of justice towards someone who made their life a living hell may be serving {{revenge}} not as a side dish, but as the main course, because they feel that person [[PayEvilUntoEvil fully deserves it]]; at the same time, these enemies will be unsympathetic to begin with, [[LaserGuidedKarma to the point where getting rid of them would still be doing the world a favor]]. There is some chance that they may see the error in their ways, get rid of the bloodthirst, and change into a straight hero over the course of the story, but don't hold your breath; a more likely scenario is that they'll remain an AntiHero and retain many of their flaws, but shift up the scale to a more unambiguously good type.

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Type IV - '''UnscrupulousHero''': These are the darkest possible while having fundamentally good intentions. This type of AntiHero will recurrently be extremely vicious. In some cases they might simply live in a very CrapsackWorld setting, and could have been a "Disney AntiHero" in a more idyllic setting. This character may have [[BrokenBird undergone something incredibly traumatic]] that made them beyond cynical. Their idea of justice towards someone who made their life a living hell may be serving {{revenge}} not as a side dish, but as the main course, because they feel that person [[PayEvilUntoEvil fully deserves it]]; at the same time, these enemies will be unsympathetic to begin with, [[LaserGuidedKarma to the point where getting rid of them would still be doing the world a favor]]. There is some chance that they may see the error in their ways, get rid of the bloodthirst, and change into a straight hero over the course of the story, but don't hold your breath; a more likely scenario is that they'll remain an AntiHero and retain many of their flaws, but shift up the scale to a more unambiguously good type.



Type V - '''[[NominalHero "Hero" in Name Only]]''': While these type of anti-heroes may fight on the side of good, their intentions/motivations are anything but. These can range from [[NotInThisForYourRevolution amoral characters who happen to be pointed at the villains for one reason or another,]] to actively malevolent characters, [[BlackAndGrayMorality only considered heroes]] because the villains they fight are [[EvenEvilHasStandards much worse]]. They often fall under the title of [[EnemyMine the Enemy of my Enemy]]. These anti-heroes stand practically no chance of becoming straight heroes; if they do, the very credibility of the story is likely to be threatened.

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Type V - '''[[NominalHero "Hero" in Name Only]]''': While these type of anti-heroes may fight on the side of good, their intentions/motivations are anything but. These can range from [[NotInThisForYourRevolution amoral characters who happen to be pointed at the villains for one reason or another,]] to actively malevolent characters, [[BlackAndGrayMorality only considered heroes]] because the villains they fight are [[EvenEvilHasStandards much worse]]. They often fall under the title of [[EnemyMine the Enemy of my Enemy]]. These anti-heroes stand practically no chance of becoming straight heroes; if they do, the very credibility of the story is likely to be threatened.
29th Jul '13 7:35:55 PM Snowy66
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Type V - '''[[NominalHero "Hero" in Name Only]]''': While these type of anti-heroes may fight on the side of good, their intentions/motivations are anything but. These can range from [[NotInThisForYourRevolution amoral characters who happen to be pointed at the villains for one reason or another,]] to actively malevolent characters, [[BlackAndGrayMorality only considered heroes]] because the villains they fight are [[EvenEvilHasStandards much worse]].They often fall under the title of the [[EnemyMine Enemy of my Enemy]]. These anti-heroes stand practically no chance of becoming straight heroes; if they do, the very credibility of the story is likely to be threatened.

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Type V - '''[[NominalHero "Hero" in Name Only]]''': While these type of anti-heroes may fight on the side of good, their intentions/motivations are anything but. These can range from [[NotInThisForYourRevolution amoral characters who happen to be pointed at the villains for one reason or another,]] to actively malevolent characters, [[BlackAndGrayMorality only considered heroes]] because the villains they fight are [[EvenEvilHasStandards much worse]]. They often fall under the title of the [[EnemyMine the Enemy of my Enemy]]. These anti-heroes stand practically no chance of becoming straight heroes; if they do, the very credibility of the story is likely to be threatened.
29th Jul '13 7:35:27 PM Snowy66
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Type V - '''[[NominalHero "Hero" in Name Only]]''': While these type of anti-heroes may fight on the side of good, their intentions/motivations are anything but. These can range from [[NotInThisForYourRevolution amoral characters who happen to be pointed at the villains for one reason or another,]] to actively malevolent characters, [[BlackAndGrayMorality only considered heroes]] because the villains they fight are [[EvenEvilHasStandards much worse]].They often fall under the title of the [[EvilMine Enemy of my Enemy]]. These anti-heroes stand practically no chance of becoming straight heroes; if they do, the very credibility of the story is likely to be threatened.

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Type V - '''[[NominalHero "Hero" in Name Only]]''': While these type of anti-heroes may fight on the side of good, their intentions/motivations are anything but. These can range from [[NotInThisForYourRevolution amoral characters who happen to be pointed at the villains for one reason or another,]] to actively malevolent characters, [[BlackAndGrayMorality only considered heroes]] because the villains they fight are [[EvenEvilHasStandards much worse]].They often fall under the title of the [[EvilMine [[EnemyMine Enemy of my Enemy]]. These anti-heroes stand practically no chance of becoming straight heroes; if they do, the very credibility of the story is likely to be threatened.
29th Jul '13 7:34:15 PM Snowy66
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Type V - '''[[NominalHero "Hero" in Name Only]]''': While these type of anti-heroes may fight on the side of good, their intentions/motivations are anything but. These can range from [[NotInThisForYourRevolution amoral characters who happen to be pointed at the villains for one reason or another,]] to actively malevolent characters, [[BlackAndGrayMorality only considered heroes]] because the villains they fight are [[EvenEvilHasStandards much worse]]. These anti-heroes stand practically no chance of becoming straight heroes; if they do, the very credibility of the story is likely to be threatened.

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Type V - '''[[NominalHero "Hero" in Name Only]]''': While these type of anti-heroes may fight on the side of good, their intentions/motivations are anything but. These can range from [[NotInThisForYourRevolution amoral characters who happen to be pointed at the villains for one reason or another,]] to actively malevolent characters, [[BlackAndGrayMorality only considered heroes]] because the villains they fight are [[EvenEvilHasStandards much worse]].They often fall under the title of the [[EvilMine Enemy of my Enemy]]. These anti-heroes stand practically no chance of becoming straight heroes; if they do, the very credibility of the story is likely to be threatened.
14th Jul '13 3:30:25 AM attercop
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Type IV - '''UnscrupulousHero''': These are the darkest possible while having fundamentally good intentions. This type of AntiHero will recurrently be extremely vicious. In some cases they might simply live in a very CrapsackWorld setting, and could have been a "Disney AntiHero" in a more idyllic setting. This character may have [[BrokenBird underwent something incredibly traumatic]] that made them beyond cynical. Their idea of justice towards someone who made their life a living hell may be serving {{revenge}} not as a side dish, but as the main course, because they feel that person [[PayEvilUntoEvil fully deserves it]]; at the same time, these enemies will be unsympathetic to begin with, [[LaserGuidedKarma to the point where getting rid of them would still be doing the world a favor]]. There is some chance that they may see the error in their ways, get rid of the bloodthirst, and change into a straight hero over the course of the story, but don't hold your breath; a more likely scenario is that they'll remain an AntiHero and retain many of their flaws, but shift up the scale to a more unambiguously good type.

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Type IV - '''UnscrupulousHero''': These are the darkest possible while having fundamentally good intentions. This type of AntiHero will recurrently be extremely vicious. In some cases they might simply live in a very CrapsackWorld setting, and could have been a "Disney AntiHero" in a more idyllic setting. This character may have [[BrokenBird underwent undergone something incredibly traumatic]] that made them beyond cynical. Their idea of justice towards someone who made their life a living hell may be serving {{revenge}} not as a side dish, but as the main course, because they feel that person [[PayEvilUntoEvil fully deserves it]]; at the same time, these enemies will be unsympathetic to begin with, [[LaserGuidedKarma to the point where getting rid of them would still be doing the world a favor]]. There is some chance that they may see the error in their ways, get rid of the bloodthirst, and change into a straight hero over the course of the story, but don't hold your breath; a more likely scenario is that they'll remain an AntiHero and retain many of their flaws, but shift up the scale to a more unambiguously good type.
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