This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
J: I'm removing The Speechless from the list of tropes, because it's quite obvious that while Karen can't speak, her body language and signs are visible to the other characters, not just the viewers.
Peteman: She should be The Voiceless.
Servitor_2152: No, wait. The Speechless is able to communicate non-verbally with the viewer, but not the other characters. The Voiceless can communicate verbally, but never does on-screen. Do we have a trope for characters who are just mute, period?
Peteman: Put:
- Infinite Canvas: -yet to be named Sidereal- establishes her crazy-by-Exalted-standard Sidereal combat skills when she dodges an attack by jumping out of her panel and landing in a safe one. How did she do that?
Because while not Infinite Canvas, there's a trope in here somewhere involving not respecting the fabric of reality.
Avatar Zero: I added that to begin with. I've been looking for a trope that fits better. It's not just breaking natural law, it's doing it in a way that is based on the medium of the fiction. It's a bit like a more physical version of Medium Awareness, but they don't make any of the self-aware comments that are typical for that one. The new strip with Broken Perspective Strike does something similar.
Fighteer: Painting the Fourth Wall is another possibility.
Peteman: Is The Forgotten Flame of Endless Unmarked Years really a noble demon? He seems quite down with torturing people's souls for an eternity. He's just more diplomatic than Ben and can pull back from bloodlust.
Fighteer: I wouldn't say so. Being Genre Savvy and having dots in social skills doesn't make you a Noble Demon. What he did to Misho was more of a Sadistic Choice: pick short term suffering over potentially unmaking Creation, knowing that the target has five dots in Compassion.
Arbane: Also, back in his first run-in with the heroes: "Rude or not, we are feeling merciful." "*ahem*" "That is, I'm feeling merciful." He seems like a villainous Only Sane Man to me. (can you be one of those and still be an Omnicidal Maniac?)
Fighteer: All Deathknights are Omnicidal Maniacs pretty much by definition, but that doesn't mean they can't be Genre Savvy.
Agent Westmer: not quite, Deathknights have to destroy something, not every thing, QED Secret. I put Flame as a Noble Demon because even after he renders Misho helpless (and remember he didn't know that Misho had Heart Of Tears) he states his intent to just take the the key, not destroy the town, or take revenge of Misho despite being bitter over the lost arm. At that point Ben and Misho's Flight Of The Brilliant Raptor had caused most of the damage. Flame is working for a guy who wants to undo all creation, text book Lawful Evil, and I doubt we'll see him pet the dog anytime soon, but in that particular instance he defintely fit most of the major points
Fighteer: Lest an Edit War develop over this point, let me state here why I just removed the Xanatos Gambit entry for Nemen Yi — we don't yet know what her plan is, only that she's acting like she has one. Let's not forget that any Sidereal worth their Exaltation is at least playing a Xanatos Gambit if not a Xanatos Roulette, so Nemen Yi is nothing special in this regard. It's the Sidereals' Hat.
Agent Westmer: Fair enough. But raise your hand if you didn't get shivers when she said "Just As Planned." The Xanatos Gambit is what you get when a villain appears to lose a confrontation. Up until that moment it looked like Nemen Yi had lost to Marena in social combat and then flat out Worfed to Ten Winds when she tried to resort to brute force, so that was definitely legit use of the trope.
Fighteer: After some thought, I agree with inclusion of the trope, and if you noticed, I even put it back in a way that should hopefully head off unnecessary Justifying Edits.
Peteman: Hey all, I hear in the new Alchemical book, The Elegant Nova of Progression is used as an example name for Alchemicals. What's that get listed as.
Fighteer: Either Defictionalization or Ascended Fanon, I think.
