Archived Discussion Main / ValuesResonance

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DomaDoma: All right, this seems like flamebait on gasoline, and I can't think of an example that isn't, but you know what, let me rise to the bait: that Twilight Zone quote applies to militant Islam much, much more than it applies to panicky TSA people.

Adam850: It is so flamebait. Maybe it should be cut.

Madrugada: I disagree that it's inherently flamebait. I would, however, suggest that it be limited to fiction, not editorials and opinion pieces.

Shrikesnest: Flamebait of the second or third highest magnitude before we enter self-parody. And we already have Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped for this anyway.

• District 9 still resonates with moviegoers, even though the Apartheid Era has been over for over a decade.

Because, right now, it's simply too new to fall into this trope. Even though the movie's a metaphor for Apartheid in The '80s, it was made this year and still had modern values shaping it behind the scenes.

• Religions in general. There's a reason a two-thousand year old religion has one out of every three people, that Islam has persisted for twelve hundred years, Buddhism is still around, etc. Religion has a powerful message that has withstood the test of time.
  • Although in some cases, it's not that they resonate with peoples' pre-existing values so much as they threaten horrible consequences if you don't adopt the religion and its values.

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• Religions in general. There's a reason a two-thousand year old religion has one out of every three people, that Islam has persisted for twelve hundred years, Buddhism is still around, etc. Religion has a powerful message that has withstood the test of time.

On second thought, even though I agree that religion has "Values Resonance", deleting...

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• Religions in general. There's a reason a two-thousand year old religion has one out of every three people, that Islam has persisted for twelve hundred years, Buddhism is still around, etc. Religion has a powerful message that has withstood the test of time.

...entirely, because, as the above discussion points out, about the only way to keep the page from getting into flamebait territory is to stick to strictly fictional examples. Religion is blurring the line between values resonance and plain old "values", and opens the door to too many other real-life entries.

• You're kidding, right? I mean, yes slavery is hated by any reasonable person, but the "suffer patiently and pray to Jesus" attitude of the passive protagonist is so out of favour these days that his name is an insult of Fighting Talk proportions. Furthermore the novel's tone of "take no action against your enemy yourself, but gloat when god sends them to hell" is found in very few places these days except Jack Chick's latest comic.

And what the heck, responding here. The novel was written in the 19th century, before Martin Luther King, Mahatma Gandhi and generations of peaceful, non-violent resistance during the Civil Rights movement and beyond. In that sense, yeah, it could qualify (though in other ways, it's also badly dated - I'll leave it to other tropers to make the call on whether the values which survived outweigh some of the Fair for Its Day stuff).