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Tarvok: Does Jet Black really count where the cooking and bonsai tree keeping is concerned? Bonsai trees have always been more of a badass older dudes thing, and not something I associate with femininity. As to the cooking, its a skill possessed by at least one in just about any circle of lifelong bachelors... the ones that lack the money to hire a maid, that is.

Working Title: Pink Is Badass: From YKTTW

Guessmyname: As amusing as the Seto No Hanayome picture is, isn't that an example crossdresser rather than Real Men Wear Pink? I figured this was more about wearing pink clothes (not necessarily for either gender, ie shirts) rather literally dressing like a girl.

Kriegsmesser: What, no Troper Tales?

Air Of Mystery: That Justice League example is even funnier when I realized exactly how stoic Batman would be watching Sailor Moon. Kriegsmesser: Gleefully?

Raekuul: Just leaving this here.

I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay.
I sleep all night. I work all day.
Mounties : He's a lumberjack, and he's okay.
He sleeps all night and he works all day.
I cut down trees. I eat my lunch.
I go to the lavatory.
On Wednesdays I go shoppin'
And have buttered scones for tea.
Mounties: He cuts down trees. He eats his lunch.
He goes to the lavatory.
On Wednesdays he goes shopping
And has buttered scones for tea.
Chorus : I'm (He's) a lumberjack, and I'm (he's) okay.
I (He) sleep(s) all night and I (he) work(s) all day.
I cut down trees. I skip and jump.
I like to press wild flowers.
I put on women's clothing
And hang around in bars.
Mounties : He cuts down trees. He skips and jumps.
He likes to press wild flowers.
He puts on women's clothing
And hangs around in bars?!
Chorus : I'm (He's) a lumberjack, and I'm (he's) okay.
I (He) sleep(s) all night and I (he) work(s) all day.
I cut down trees. I wear high heels,
Suspendies, and a bra.
I wish I'd been a girlie,
Just like my dear Papa!
Mounties : He cuts down trees. He wears high heels,
Suspendies, and a bra?!
Chorus : I'm (He's) a lumberjack, and I'm (he's) okay.
I (He) sleep(s) all night and I (he) work(s) all day.
Yes, I'm (He's) a lumberjack, and I'm (he's) ok-a-y.
I (He) sleep(s) all night and I (he) work(s) all day.

Also, I play the flute. So. What?

Insanity Prelude: Sorted it all out into categories, and it took ages.


Anke: Um, that here about Captain America...
Everyone knows Steve Rogers, right? The accept-no-substitutes Captain America, paragon of all that is good, patriotic and manly, a statuesque, muscled beacon to heroes the world over... and enthusiastic artist. He was a professional illustrator occasionally when he had a secret identity, and once ended up drawing his own (licenced) comicbook. Let's face it, if Captain America does it, it's not girly: It's awesome.

How exactly could "being an artist" be construed as girly? All the big names in fine art I know are guys, the few big name illustrators (Brom, Amano, Frazetta) as well, and - I know I may be making assumptions here about what kind of comic Cap made, but... - US mainstream comics are testosterone central.

Jebedee:Since when is Flashheart a cross-dresser? Shale: At the end of "Bells," he elopes with "Bob," but insists that they switch clothes first (and she was wearing a wedding dress at the time).


Midonin: Moving this exceptionally long bit of natter here.

Don't ALL superheroes fit this trope??!! I mean spandex? Yellow jump suits? Come on?? I always wanted an explanation to this. Lets see. You are called upon to fight crime. Or be a part of an elite military unit. What do you put on? Is it army gear? Camouflage? Ok a black cat burglar outfit? WHY NO. You put on a colorful skin tight jester suit, preferably with the undies on the outside, tall colorful boots and a cape. Maybe shiny too. Why? How did someone think of this? The drag show downtown is tame compared to the stuff Marvel puts on their heros. No wonder when they make movies based on comics they have to struggle to make sense of it. I applaud X men, in particularly Wolverine Origins. The movies made good by adult standards because they didn't try to work out how to make a guy in a yellow jump suit and his enemy in a furry cat suit look cool. They just tossed the stupidity, and made the story their own. Bravo. Gambit in the cartoons wears hot pants! You should be ashamed of yourself, Cartoon Gambit.


Kato: So... I just skimmed the Anime examples only, and I hd to realize like 50% of thoe I know anything about there are rather Bishounen than Manly Man. I don't feel the right to sort it out on my own but I guess in a case of Trope Decay people started putting there just any guy who tends to do feminine things (or just like to cook, however feminine that is) Shouldn't there be some cleaning or something, to remove those bad examples?
Wascally Wabbit: I am so very, very sorry.

Wascally Wabbit: Hey, who reverted it? I demand a vote.

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