This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Tabby: I try not to complain about trope names, but there's gotta be a more memorable title than this.
Seth: Phsychological Mind Control, Sneaky Mind Control, Evil Bastard Mind Control :), Freudian Mind Control and i'm spent. Can't think of any more that work for now.
Seven Seals: For the record, I like More than Mind Control better than any of those. How is it not memorable? "More than X" is a well-known templated turn of phrase.
Robert: It is, but it applies best when there is some obvious way to be more than X, not really the case here. If the villain can do more than mind control, their extra powers could be almost anything, even if they stick with mind-related powers.
How about Brainwashing, or maybe Magical Brainwashing?
Lale: Brainwashed is taken, Magical Brainwashing is misleading. If the current title is flawed, I suggest Mind Control Foreplay.
Robert: Brainwashing would be the process that leads to people being Brainwashed — different but closely related words for different but closely related concepts. Foreplay has completely wrong connotations.
Seth: In the end i dont see anything wrong with More than Mind Control, i quite like it actually.
Ununnilium: Indeed. This makes sense to me - it is more than mind control.
SteveMB: Hmmm... how about "Mind Subversion"? (Chiming in a bit late, I know.)
Lale: Took out the Teen Titans example because, since there was no magic involved in any way, just a really convincing manipulator and really desperate girl, it doesn't fit the trope. There was no supernatural force contributing.
Scientivore: I feel like this one is getting long enough to organize by medium, but I'm unsure of the conventions around here.
Seth: There is a button at the top "add media categories template" click that and sort all the examples into their sections. Deleting the unused headers.
Scientivore: Awesome! Now I just have to hope that I didn't misclassify anything. I double-checked the most ambiguous one; apparently WITCH is French and therefore Western.
Lale: Any particularly good, seductive temptation that hits the perfect mark is not always More than Mind Control, i.e. that Avatar example. I dispute the Terra example, too, but it's been re-added before, so I give on that one.
Big T: I think the reason people want to add the Terra example is that, near the end of the final episode of the Terra arc, Slade actually takes control over Terra's body/mind. So while Terra was really only tricked (and perhaps booby-trapped) up to that point, from there on, "More than Mind control" seems to apply.
I just came up with another: real life mind control involves brainwashing, which can take the form of arguments. I'll comment more on that when I've had some sleep.
Krine: "Magic forces may be at work, but it's really the trickery, lies, and despair that are thrown in that successfully break the victim's spirit." Removed all the natter and left all the examples because of the definition.
Lale: Cut "Almost, but not quite, Truth in Television since a hypnotic state can make some subjects extremely suggestible— but not nearly to the degree, or with the ease, generally shown in fiction" because, as is mentioned elsewhere in the entry, the Truth in Television version would be Stockholm Syndrome, not hypnosis. Nobody can be hypnotized against their will.
Wascally Wabbit: Stripped out a whole bunch of examples that have nothing to do with actual mind control and tweaked the definition for clarity. Simple cases of non-supernatural manipulation should be given as character examples of the Manipulative Bastard.
Lale: Finally, someone else who gets it! Cut the Terra example (again) for the same reason.
Wascally Wabbit: As above, removed the Real Life example. Contrary to popular belief, Hitler was not a wizard.
I used this once in an RPG about Vampires. I got a recently converted Vamp girl to munch on and kill two Vamps, and then recruited her to my cause. Since my Vamp ate other Vamps, it wasn't too hard to achieve. Now she's on my side permanently. All I had to do was promise her that she could get her still-living friends to accept her at some time in the future.
