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21st Sep '16 1:47:27 AM Parasect
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* This is the entire point of the [[ComicBook/NewGods Anti-Life Equation]]. It's not just a mind-control formula: it's a ''logical proof'' that free will is inherently paradoxical and meaningless, and that the only real meaning in life is to serve {{Darkseid}} and his will.
5th Sep '16 3:37:57 PM Redaka
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*** Also played straight in "Lesson Zero" when Big Mac [[spoiler:wants to keep Smarty Pants for real.]]

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*** ** Consequently in Season 4 episode "What about Discord?" Twilight is convinced Discord has brainwashed all her friends into liking him and is genuinely surprised to find out that is not the case at all.
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Also played straight in "Lesson Zero" when Big Mac [[spoiler:wants to keep Smarty Pants for real.]]
31st Aug '16 8:52:21 AM nighttrainfm
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** Zig-zagged in ''Birth by Sleep''. Maleficent hits Terra with a spell, and when he comes to his senses someone has released Princess Aurora's heart from her body. He blames Maleficent, who claims that she only brought to the surface a part of himself he'd been trying to hide. Then it turns out that Terra was right the first time - Maleficent was basically {{Gaslighting}} him as part of Xehanort's plan to make him insecure and isolated. Terra never learns this himself, unfortunately.

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** Zig-zagged in ''Birth by Sleep''. Maleficent hits Terra with a spell, and when he comes to his senses someone has released Princess Aurora's heart from her body. He blames Maleficent, who claims that she only brought to the surface a part of himself he'd been trying to hide. Then it turns out that Terra was right the first time - Maleficent was basically {{Gaslighting}} lying to him as part of Xehanort's plan to make him insecure and isolated. Terra never learns this himself, unfortunately.
25th Aug '16 1:40:32 AM eroock
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--> -- '''Music/TheyMightBeGiants''', "Whistling in the Dark".

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--> -- '''Music/TheyMightBeGiants''', "Whistling in the Dark".
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24th Aug '16 8:22:16 PM Fireblood
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* Orthodox Christianity states this is how demons tempt us into commiting sins. Not all of our thoughts are ours. They give us their suggestions, using either directly sinful thoughts (to eat more than we need, not to pray the Lord, to have sinful sex, to be proudful of our deeds, and so on.) [[ParanoiaFuel or they can be more innocuous...]] The best way to reject them is a pray to the God (for example, "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, the sinner"), or simply ignore them. But how many such suggestions do we agree with during a single day?

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* Orthodox Christianity states this is how demons tempt us into commiting sins. Not all of our thoughts are ours. They give us their suggestions, using either directly sinful thoughts (to eat more than we need, not to pray the Lord, to have sinful sex, to be proudful of our deeds, and so on.) [[ParanoiaFuel or they can be more innocuous...]] The best way to reject them is a pray prayer to the God (for example, "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, the sinner"), or simply ignore them. But how many such suggestions do we agree with during a single day?



* Any actual "mind control". Nazis, cults, propaganda, advertising, talking heads on the news: If anyone gets you to do anything, it's by convincing you that you want to do it, or have to do it.

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* Any actual "mind control". Nazis, cults, propaganda, advertising, talking heads on the news: If if anyone gets you to do anything, it's by convincing you that you want to do it, or have to do it.



* Not exactly mind control, but there is the curious case of the debate about whether the administration of former-President of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez, was authoritarian or not. While there's no doubt that he had no problem stamping out opposition, for the most part he actually didn't have to. He was ''genuinely'' adored by many Venezuelans (enough to legitimately win three elections), and so could often let his supporters silence his critics for him without actually having to do anything. For example, he allowed freedom of the press, but only because his critics were automatically relegated to the fringes by society itself.
* The discoveries made by the field of memetics are often utilized to do this on a widespread scale. A properly created meme that is funny enough, cute enough, or (the most effective) rage-inducing and argument-provoking enough can cause an idea to 'infect' huge swaths of the population. While MemeticMutation does make this very unpredictable, the result is essentially mind control on a massive scale. Numerous pervasive cultural artifacts of the modern age, such as the widespread fear of Islam in the United States, the Anti-Vaccination movement, and Scientology, are believed by some scientists to be products of highly successful memes that have infected large numbers of people, deliberately or otherwise.

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* Not exactly mind control, but there is the curious case of the debate about whether the administration of former-President former President of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez, Chavez was authoritarian or not. While there's no doubt that he had no problem stamping out opposition, for the most part he actually didn't have to. He was ''genuinely'' adored by many Venezuelans (enough to legitimately win three elections), and so could often let his supporters silence his critics for him without actually having to do anything. For example, he allowed freedom of the press, but only because his critics were automatically relegated to the fringes by society itself.
* The discoveries made by the field of memetics are often utilized to do this on a widespread scale. A properly created meme that is funny enough, cute enough, or (the most effective) rage-inducing and argument-provoking enough can cause an idea to 'infect' huge swaths of the population. While MemeticMutation does make this very unpredictable, the result is essentially mind control on a massive scale. Numerous pervasive cultural artifacts of the modern age, such as the widespread fear of Islam in the United States, the Anti-Vaccination anti-vaccination movement, and Scientology, are believed by some scientists to be products of highly successful memes that have infected large numbers of people, deliberately or otherwise.
19th Aug '16 9:50:00 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* ''Manga/GunslingerGirl''. The cyborg girls start off as brainwashed blank slates who blindly obey every order they're given. As their relationship with TheHandler continues, other factors like romantic or platonic love and FireForgedFriends come into play, increasing the bond between handler and cyborg. One handler who never bothered building a relationship with his cyborg fell victim to a MurderSuicide when he did an assignment with another team and his cyborg realised how indifferent he was in comparison; in another case, a cyborg who fell in romantic love with her handler never told him her feelings because she was GenreSavvy enough to wonder whether said feelings came from her own will or were induced by the remains of her brainwashing.

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* ''Manga/GunslingerGirl''. The cyborg girls start off as brainwashed blank slates who blindly obey every order they're given. As their relationship with TheHandler continues, other factors like romantic or platonic love and FireForgedFriends come into play, increasing the bond between handler and cyborg. One handler who never bothered building a relationship with his cyborg fell victim to a MurderSuicide when he did an assignment with another team and his cyborg realised how indifferent he was in comparison; in another case, a cyborg who fell in romantic love with her handler never told him her feelings because she was GenreSavvy savvy enough to wonder whether said feelings came from her own will or were induced by the remains of her brainwashing.



* In ''Webcomic/PennyAndAggie'', one of the antagonists, [[spoiler:Cyndi]], successfully performs this on [[spoiler:{{Heel Face Turn}}ed [[AbusiveParents victim]] Charlotte]], quite effectively - [[TalkingYourWayOut while restrained and seconds away from being murdered]]. It goes like this: starting with about [[http://www.pennyandaggie.com/index.php?p=1068 here]], [[spoiler:Charlotte decides to end [[ManipulativeBastard Cyndi]]'s interference with the protagonists' lives... [[MoralDilemma with]] [[AntiHero drastic]] [[KillHimAlready measures]]. Cyndi, tied up and held hostage, responds angrily to Charlotte, at first believing that [[YouWouldntShootMe Charlotte would never attack her.]] After being [[OhCrap proven]] [[PistolWhipping wrong]], Cyndi attempts to explain that she [[SlidingScaleOfAntagonistVileness isn't quite]] [[SlidingScaleOfVillainThreat that bad]], though admittedly a bit of a [[RichBitch Bitch]]. Even to the readers, she comes across as more of a JerkassWoobie than the villain she's been perceived as for the rest of the series, and you end up hoping she can [[TalkingYourWayOut talk Charlotte down]] from committing murder - she even seems to counsel Charlotte on dealing with properly directing her bottled-up anger [[EverybodyKnewAlready due to her abuse]]... [[MoralEventHorizon THEN]] she suggests [[TheFundamentalist Charlotte]] take a leaf from the Bible's pages to figure out [[TheAtoner how to atone for]] the hurtful things she's done before. [[GenreSavvy To the readers]], [[OhCrap her tone]] [[CompellingVoice visibly changes]]. At first, [[DrivenToSuicide it doesn't look good for Charlotte]]. Don't worry, though, she [[BungledSuicide DOES]] get [[UnexplainedRecovery better]], and Cyndi DOES get [[SecretDiary found out]] before she can do any more harm.]]

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* In ''Webcomic/PennyAndAggie'', one of the antagonists, [[spoiler:Cyndi]], successfully performs this on [[spoiler:{{Heel Face Turn}}ed [[AbusiveParents victim]] Charlotte]], quite effectively - [[TalkingYourWayOut while restrained and seconds away from being murdered]]. It goes like this: starting with about [[http://www.pennyandaggie.com/index.php?p=1068 here]], [[spoiler:Charlotte decides to end [[ManipulativeBastard Cyndi]]'s interference with the protagonists' lives... [[MoralDilemma with]] [[AntiHero drastic]] [[KillHimAlready measures]]. Cyndi, tied up and held hostage, responds angrily to Charlotte, at first believing that [[YouWouldntShootMe Charlotte would never attack her.]] After being [[OhCrap proven]] [[PistolWhipping wrong]], Cyndi attempts to explain that she [[SlidingScaleOfAntagonistVileness isn't quite]] [[SlidingScaleOfVillainThreat that bad]], though admittedly a bit of a [[RichBitch Bitch]]. Even to the readers, she comes across as more of a JerkassWoobie than the villain she's been perceived as for the rest of the series, and you end up hoping she can [[TalkingYourWayOut talk Charlotte down]] from committing murder - she even seems to counsel Charlotte on dealing with properly directing her bottled-up anger [[EverybodyKnewAlready due to her abuse]]... [[MoralEventHorizon THEN]] she suggests [[TheFundamentalist Charlotte]] take a leaf from the Bible's pages to figure out [[TheAtoner how to atone for]] the hurtful things she's done before. [[GenreSavvy To the readers]], readers, [[OhCrap her tone]] [[CompellingVoice visibly changes]]. At first, [[DrivenToSuicide it doesn't look good for Charlotte]]. Don't worry, though, she [[BungledSuicide DOES]] get [[UnexplainedRecovery better]], and Cyndi DOES get [[SecretDiary found out]] before she can do any more harm.]]
18th Aug '16 9:17:32 AM MrUnderhill
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** Zig-zagged in ''Birth by Sleep''. Maleficent hits Terra with a spell, and when he comes to his senses someone has released Princess Aurora's heart from her body. He blames Maleficent, who claims that she only brought to the surface a part of himself he'd been trying to hide. Then it turns out that Terra was right the first time - Maleficent was basically gaslighting him as part of Xehanort's plan to make him insecure and isolated. Terra never learns this himself, unfortunately.

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** Zig-zagged in ''Birth by Sleep''. Maleficent hits Terra with a spell, and when he comes to his senses someone has released Princess Aurora's heart from her body. He blames Maleficent, who claims that she only brought to the surface a part of himself he'd been trying to hide. Then it turns out that Terra was right the first time - Maleficent was basically gaslighting {{Gaslighting}} him as part of Xehanort's plan to make him insecure and isolated. Terra never learns this himself, unfortunately.
23rd Jul '16 1:02:37 PM nombretomado
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* [[spoiler: O'Brien]] in ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'' uses torture to make people believe that they love BigBrother, though it may have been subverted depending on what the ending paragraph was trying to portray.

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* [[spoiler: O'Brien]] in ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'' uses torture to make people believe that they love BigBrother, Big Brother, though it may have been subverted depending on what the ending paragraph was trying to portray.
19th Jul '16 12:27:55 PM Leporidae
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* Not exactly mind control, but there is the curious case of the debate about whether the administration of former-President of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez, was authoritarian or not. While there's no doubt that he had no problem stamping out opposition, for the most part he actually didn't have to. He was ''genuinely'' adored by many Venezuelans (enough to legitimately win three elections), and so could often let his supporters silence his critics for him without actually having to do anything. For example, he allowed freedom of the press, but only because his critics were automatically regulated to the fringes by society itself.

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* Not exactly mind control, but there is the curious case of the debate about whether the administration of former-President of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez, was authoritarian or not. While there's no doubt that he had no problem stamping out opposition, for the most part he actually didn't have to. He was ''genuinely'' adored by many Venezuelans (enough to legitimately win three elections), and so could often let his supporters silence his critics for him without actually having to do anything. For example, he allowed freedom of the press, but only because his critics were automatically regulated relegated to the fringes by society itself.
17th Jul '16 4:32:18 AM jormis29
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* In ''{{Huntik}}'' once a seeker is linked to a titan-summoning amulet there is a constant connection called 'the bond' between the two, which the seeker uses to command the titan. The titan itself is under no obligation to follow these instructions but the constant telepathic contact slowly imprints the seeker's personality and allegiance over its own until the titan is completely devoted to the seeker and his/her cause. The longer a titan is bonded to one seeker, the longer it would take for the titan to become loyal to a new seeker, though this can be reduced for seekers with similar personalities.

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* In ''{{Huntik}}'' ''WesternAnimation/{{Huntik}}'' once a seeker is linked to a titan-summoning amulet there is a constant connection called 'the bond' between the two, which the seeker uses to command the titan. The titan itself is under no obligation to follow these instructions but the constant telepathic contact slowly imprints the seeker's personality and allegiance over its own until the titan is completely devoted to the seeker and his/her cause. The longer a titan is bonded to one seeker, the longer it would take for the titan to become loyal to a new seeker, though this can be reduced for seekers with similar personalities.
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