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30th May '16 8:49:44 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* You know [[TransformersArmada Sideways]] is good at this stuff when he's manipulating ''other people'' into employing it for him.

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* You know [[TransformersArmada [[Anime/TransformersArmada Sideways]] is good at this stuff when he's manipulating ''other people'' into employing it for him.
24th May '16 7:31:50 AM Willbyr
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* In ''Manga/DragonBallZ'', Babidi controls his minions by finding the evil in the person's heart and turn them into his willing slaves by making them ''want'' to serve him. The more evil the person is, the stronger the control. He did this to Vegeta, who actually refused his orders and wished to fight Goku, as he's the [[TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou only one allowed to defeat him, in his mind]]. He later revealed ''he'' was [[UnwittingPawn using Babidi]] as he felt he needed to be reminded [[EvilFeelsGood how good evil feels]] in order to gain more power.

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* In ''Manga/DragonBallZ'', ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', Babidi controls his minions by finding the evil in the person's heart and turn them into his willing slaves by making them ''want'' to serve him. The more evil the person is, the stronger the control. He did this to Vegeta, who actually refused his orders and wished to fight Goku, as he's the [[TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou only one allowed to defeat him, in his mind]]. He later revealed ''he'' was [[UnwittingPawn using Babidi]] as he felt he needed to be reminded [[EvilFeelsGood how good evil feels]] in order to gain more power.



* Used expertly by Nakago of ''FushigiYuugi'' to turn Yui against her best friend Miaka. This is greatly facilitated by [[spoiler:Yui's crush on Tamahome and by Nakago letting her believe that she was raped]].

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* Used expertly by Nakago of ''FushigiYuugi'' ''Manga/FushigiYuugi'' to turn Yui against her best friend Miaka. This is greatly facilitated by [[spoiler:Yui's crush on Tamahome and by Nakago letting her believe that she was raped]].



* Anime/{{Monster}}: Johan Liebert is fond of this, using it on many people that he meets, to the point that one of them has a very HoYay -ish obsession with him.

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* Anime/{{Monster}}: ''Anime/{{Monster}}'': Johan Liebert is fond of this, using it on many people that he meets, to the point that one of them has a very HoYay -ish obsession with him.



* [[spoiler:Fay]] from ''TsubasaReservoirChronicle'' is revealed about two-thirds of the way through the story to have been willingly manipulated for most of his life by both [[spoiler:Fei Wong Reed]] and [[spoiler:Ashura-ou]]. This involved cunningly preying on his insecurities and regrets in moments of extreme emotional distress, aided by some magical suppression of memories that might cause him to question his situation.
* Koko from ''ZatchBell'' is a major subversion. She was thought by Sherry to be BrainwashedAndCrazy by Zofis (thanks to Zofis saying this upfront during their first meeting, which he didn't expect Sherry to survive). And she ''was'', despite pretending that her condition was different from Zofis' other mind slaves upon meeting Sherry again; Zofis ''forced'' Koko to explain, that he had created a dark personality for her, by manipulating the darkness and negative feelings the poor girl ''already'' had thanks to having lived in deep poverty and (allegedly) envying Sherry's wealth, and he did so specifically to force Sherry into an HeroicBSOD so that her partner Brago, whom Zofis rightfully feared, will be depowered. In truth, Koko was under straight MindControl ''the entire time''. Probably the only decision Zofis allowed Koko to make on her own was picking clothes for herself, and she used this tiny bit of freedom to include a visual clue for Sherry about her true condition in her outfit: she put on a pair of earrings that were a gift of Sherry...

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* [[spoiler:Fay]] from ''TsubasaReservoirChronicle'' ''Manga/TsubasaReservoirChronicle'' is revealed about two-thirds of the way through the story to have been willingly manipulated for most of his life by both [[spoiler:Fei Wong Reed]] and [[spoiler:Ashura-ou]]. This involved cunningly preying on his insecurities and regrets in moments of extreme emotional distress, aided by some magical suppression of memories that might cause him to question his situation.
* Koko from ''ZatchBell'' ''Manga/ZatchBell'' is a major subversion. She was thought by Sherry to be BrainwashedAndCrazy by Zofis (thanks to Zofis saying this upfront during their first meeting, which he didn't expect Sherry to survive). And she ''was'', despite pretending that her condition was different from Zofis' other mind slaves upon meeting Sherry again; Zofis ''forced'' Koko to explain, that he had created a dark personality for her, by manipulating the darkness and negative feelings the poor girl ''already'' had thanks to having lived in deep poverty and (allegedly) envying Sherry's wealth, and he did so specifically to force Sherry into an HeroicBSOD so that her partner Brago, whom Zofis rightfully feared, will be depowered. In truth, Koko was under straight MindControl ''the entire time''. Probably the only decision Zofis allowed Koko to make on her own was picking clothes for herself, and she used this tiny bit of freedom to include a visual clue for Sherry about her true condition in her outfit: she put on a pair of earrings that were a gift of Sherry...



* Goldie Musou from ''GunsmithCats'' uses this to gain control of whoever she wants. She knows her mind-controlling drugs can only go so far; they'll have to keep her 'pets' constantly drugged or they'll instantly start fighting to return to their old life. In one case she kidnaps a young girl called Mary-Anne and brainwashes her into believing that [[spoiler:her father was possessed by demons and she had to kill him.]] Now that she's been forced out of her old life by that act, she will ''willingly'' accept her brainwashing rather than face the reality of what she did. Anyone who tries to deprogram her will realize that saving her means [[spoiler:forcing her to 'wake up' to the fact she killed her father.]] So she serves Goldie without any regret, to the point that when Goldie [[spoiler:abandoned her, she and some other girls tried to commit suicide rather than live without their beloved 'Mistress Goldie'.]] Yes, Goldie ''is'' an evil sadistic bitch, why do you ask?

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* Goldie Musou from ''GunsmithCats'' ''Manga/GunsmithCats'' uses this to gain control of whoever she wants. She knows her mind-controlling drugs can only go so far; they'll have to keep her 'pets' constantly drugged or they'll instantly start fighting to return to their old life. In one case she kidnaps a young girl called Mary-Anne and brainwashes her into believing that [[spoiler:her father was possessed by demons and she had to kill him.]] Now that she's been forced out of her old life by that act, she will ''willingly'' accept her brainwashing rather than face the reality of what she did. Anyone who tries to deprogram her will realize that saving her means [[spoiler:forcing her to 'wake up' to the fact she killed her father.]] So she serves Goldie without any regret, to the point that when Goldie [[spoiler:abandoned her, she and some other girls tried to commit suicide rather than live without their beloved 'Mistress Goldie'.]] Yes, Goldie ''is'' an evil sadistic bitch, why do you ask?



* In ''LightNovel/FullMetalPanic'' this is what happens to [[spoiler:Kaname Chidori]] in the last few volumes of the light novels. After surviving and escaping several attempts of kidnapping/assassination directly aimed at her over a period of less than a year, she is finally taken away by the enemy after a series of very traumatic events that nearly [[spoiler:kills everyone at her school, gravelly injures her best friend, and almost kills Sousuke]]. Following her kidnapping, [[spoiler:she falls into a deep depression, struggles with both her emotional turmoil and the outside pressure put upon her by her captors; then she accidentally almost kills Leonard Testarossa, which puts an abrupt end to his attempts of behaving like a gentleman with her and brings a whole new world of psychological torture and physical illness on her, plus some Whispered mind screw; is taken away by the enemy ''again'' just as she was close to be rescued, tries to kill herself, and barely survives a helicopter crash that takes her to the one place where she really doesn't want to go. '''And all this happens in a little more than a year''', and does not take onto account her childhood traumas like the death of her mother and her resentment toward her father. Or the whole Whispered influence exerted over her literally since birth]]. By this point, when she is taken over by [[spoiler:Sophia]], the poor kid [[BreakTheCutie is too deppressed and tired to put up much of a fight]], and even after she starts getting herself together, [[spoiler:Sophia still manages to break her, by making a defetist Kaname tiredly agree with her. Ironically, it ends up backfiring.]]

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* In ''LightNovel/FullMetalPanic'' this is what happens to [[spoiler:Kaname Chidori]] in the last few volumes of the light novels. After surviving and escaping several attempts of kidnapping/assassination directly aimed at her over a period of less than a year, she is finally taken away by the enemy after a series of very traumatic events that nearly [[spoiler:kills everyone at her school, gravelly injures her best friend, and almost kills Sousuke]]. Following her kidnapping, [[spoiler:she falls into a deep depression, struggles with both her emotional turmoil and the outside pressure put upon her by her captors; then she accidentally almost kills Leonard Testarossa, which puts an abrupt end to his attempts of behaving like a gentleman with her and brings a whole new world of psychological torture and physical illness on her, plus some Whispered mind screw; is taken away by the enemy ''again'' just as she was close to be rescued, tries to kill herself, and barely survives a helicopter crash that takes her to the one place where she really doesn't want to go. '''And all this happens in a little more than a year''', and does not take onto account her childhood traumas like the death of her mother and her resentment toward her father. Or the whole Whispered influence exerted over her literally since birth]]. By this point, when she is taken over by [[spoiler:Sophia]], the poor kid [[BreakTheCutie is too deppressed depressed and tired to put up much of a fight]], and even after she starts getting herself together, [[spoiler:Sophia still manages to break her, by making a defetist Kaname tiredly agree with her. Ironically, it ends up backfiring.]]
30th Mar '16 12:01:23 AM GopherBroke
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* Sometimes used by the Spiral in ''{{Manga/Uzumaki}}''. Although some of its manifestations look like vanilla mind control, it also frequently twists its victims in a more metaphorical sense. The two lovers in the chapter "Twisted Souls" [[spoiler:are convinced to succumb to the Spiral as a way to get away from their abusive families]] and in the end [[spoiler:Kirie and Shuichi are "won over" by a combination of the Spiral's all consuming influence and being worn down so much that life seems to have lost all meaning]].
22nd Mar '16 9:07:37 AM matteste
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* Tatsumi from ''{{Shiki}}'' does this a lot. The most obvious and drawn-out example happens when [[spoiler: he manipulates [[JerkassWoobie Masao]], who's just risen up as a vampire. First he appeals to Masao's [[EmoTeen insecurities]] by telling him that he's special for rising up as a vampire (being sure to mention that Masao's nephew, who Masao hated, will not be rising up). When Masao expresses any resistance to what Tatsumi is telling him (such as expressing a fear of killing a victim Tatsumi offers him to feed on), Tatsumi shifts to threatening him, at one point basically telling Masao that he'll drag him out into the sun to die if he refuses to comply with his demands.]] He's almost certainly done the same thing to just about every new vampire he's dug up, since he's responsible for them.

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* Tatsumi from ''{{Shiki}}'' ''Manga/{{Shiki}}'' does this a lot. The most obvious and drawn-out example happens when [[spoiler: he manipulates [[JerkassWoobie Masao]], who's just risen up as a vampire. First he appeals to Masao's [[EmoTeen insecurities]] by telling him that he's special for rising up as a vampire (being sure to mention that Masao's nephew, who Masao hated, will not be rising up). When Masao expresses any resistance to what Tatsumi is telling him (such as expressing a fear of killing a victim Tatsumi offers him to feed on), Tatsumi shifts to threatening him, at one point basically telling Masao that he'll drag him out into the sun to die if he refuses to comply with his demands.]] He's almost certainly done the same thing to just about every new vampire he's dug up, since he's responsible for them.
22nd Mar '16 8:49:33 AM GlitteringFlowers
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* It happens to [[spoiler: Prince Takumi]] in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'', more exactly in the [[spoiler: ''Conquest'']] route. [[spoiler: He first becomes 'infected' by accidentally falling into the gap between the dimensions and landing in Valla, which is under [[BiggerBad Anankos's rule.]] The possession first takes his already existing resentment and distrust towards the Avatar and, if they choose Nohr over Hoshido, slowly twists it into homicidal hatred that begins to consume everything else about Takumi's whole self. Throughout the route it becomes worse and worse until chapter 23, where after the party defeats him for the last time ''and'' kills [[ThreeAmigos his friends and retainers]] Oboro and Hinata, Anankos [[PsychicAssistedSuicide forces him to commit suicide]] [[DemonicPossession so he can take over Takumi's body entirely]]. In the last chapter Takumi is nothing but a corpse held up only by Anankos' possession, forcing the party to MercyKill him.]]
3rd Mar '16 2:48:01 PM Kayke
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* Izuru Kamukura from ''SuperDanganRonpa2'' has a very ambiguous backstory. Once a teenager named [[spoiler:Hinata Hajime]], he [[spoiler:decided to help Hope's Peak, not knowing it would be a surgery that would [[{{AmnesiacDissonance}}wipe his memory and personality]] for the sake of talent.]]

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* Izuru Kamukura from ''SuperDanganRonpa2'' has a very ambiguous backstory. ''SuperDanganRonpa2''. Once a teenager named [[spoiler:Hinata Hajime]], he [[spoiler:decided to help Hope's Peak, not knowing it would be a surgery that would [[{{AmnesiacDissonance}}wipe [[{{AmnesiacDissonance}} wipe his memory and personality]] for the sake of talent.]]
3rd Mar '16 2:46:23 PM Kayke
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* Izuru Kamukura from ''SuperDanganRonpa2'' has a very ambiguous backstory. Once a teenager named [[spoiler:Hinata Hajime]], he [[spoiler:decided to help Hope's Peak, not knowing it would be a surgery that would [[{{AmnesiacDissonance}}wipe his memory and personality]] for the sake of talent.]]
** It's heavily implied that the mastermind took his resentment and despair to turn him to her side, manipulating him to extremes.
3rd Mar '16 12:07:29 PM erraticegomania
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* In ''Literature/{{Twig}}'', it is eventually revealed that this is the reason for [[spoiler:Sylvester's intense loyalty to the AcademyOfEvil which [[HumanWeapon created]] him, as they shaped his personality when growing up, providing every single person he cares about or hates, to the extent that he's terrified that if he ever abandons the Academy his entire personality will collapse inwards like a house of cards.]]
2nd Mar '16 10:56:32 PM Nulono
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** Bester also mentions this in [[spoiler:his post-victory gloating]], saying that having [[spoiler:Garibaldi]] turn against the protagonists was an unexpected bonus, he only wanted to turn [[spoiler:Garibaldi]] into an unaware [[TheMole mole]] that could infiltrate the [[FantasticRacism anti-telepath]] conspiracy.

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** Bester also mentions this in [[spoiler:his post-victory gloating]], saying that having [[spoiler:Garibaldi]] turn against the protagonists was an unexpected bonus, bonus; he only wanted to turn [[spoiler:Garibaldi]] into an unaware [[TheMole mole]] that could infiltrate the [[FantasticRacism anti-telepath]] conspiracy.
4th Feb '16 1:40:27 PM Luigifan
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MindControl is an effective weapon, but your garden-variety [[{{Brainwashed}} brainwashing]] or hypnosis is too mundane for some viewers, too predictable for some plots, too weak for some [[HeroicWillPower heroes]], and too unambitious for some villains.

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MindControl is an effective weapon, but your garden-variety [[{{Brainwashed}} brainwashing]] or hypnosis is too mundane for some viewers, too predictable for some plots, too weak for some [[HeroicWillPower heroes]], and too unambitious for some villains.
villains. Also, outright controlling someone's mind tends to require either magic or technology, and depending on the nature of the story, the villain might not have access to either of those.



[[TheDarkSide Magic forces may be at work]], but it's really the despair, trickery, lies, and sometimes even [[ExactWords carefully-selected]] [[MetaphoricallyTrue truths]], that are thrown in that successfully break the victim's spirit. Instead of the villain forcing a victim to do something against their will, the villain ''changes'' the victim's will. It's DealWithTheDevil [[XMeetsY meets]] BreakThemByTalking.

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What makes this "more than mind control" rather than simple [[ManipulativeBastard manipulation]] is that this can still be ''assisted'' by magic or technology. [[TheDarkSide Magic forces may be at work]], but it's really the despair, trickery, lies, and sometimes even [[ExactWords carefully-selected]] [[MetaphoricallyTrue truths]], that are thrown in that successfully break the victim's spirit. Instead of the villain forcing a victim to do something against their will, the villain ''changes'' the victim's will. It's DealWithTheDevil [[XMeetsY meets]] BreakThemByTalking.



More Than Mind Control requires [[TheCharmer charisma]], finesse and a lot of patience, but villains usually don't mind because they find it so much more satisfying. They also get a great deal of amusement out of telling the victim's friends, "[[NotBrainwashed I didn't force him to do anything he didn't want to do]]." It's also more resistant to the powers of [[ThePowerOfFriendship friendship]] and [[ThePowerOfLove love]]. Plus, it's just a lot cooler to watch. Villains don't even necessarily need special powers to do it, if they can goad the hero into doing something they'll regret by pushing the right buttons. TheCorrupter in particular is a master of the art.

Sometimes, the villain will try this on the whole team at once; they're usually saved by the BadassNormal, TheChick / TheHeart or AllLovingHero, who will point out the ways that the villain is distorting the truth. Usually accompanied by a KirkSummation to the culprit, [[ShutUpHannibal or something more violent]].

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More Than Mind Control requires [[TheCharmer charisma]], finesse finesse, and a lot of patience, but villains usually don't mind because they find it so much more satisfying. They also get a great deal of amusement out of telling the victim's friends, "[[NotBrainwashed I didn't force him to do anything he didn't want to do]]." It's also more resistant to the powers of [[ThePowerOfFriendship friendship]] and [[ThePowerOfLove love]]. Plus, it's just a lot cooler to watch. Villains don't even necessarily need special powers to do it, if they can goad the hero into doing something they'll regret by pushing the right buttons. TheCorrupter in particular is a master of the art.

Sometimes, the villain will try this on the whole team at once; they're usually saved by the BadassNormal, TheChick / TheHeart TheHeart, or the AllLovingHero, who will point out the ways that the villain is distorting the truth. Usually accompanied by a KirkSummation to the culprit, [[ShutUpHannibal or something more violent]].



See also: BlankSlate, ConditionedToAcceptHorror, NurtureOverNature, RousseauWasRight, StockholmSyndrome and ThenLetMeBeEvil

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See also: BlankSlate, ConditionedToAcceptHorror, NurtureOverNature, RousseauWasRight, StockholmSyndrome StockholmSyndrome, and ThenLetMeBeEvilThenLetMeBeEvil.
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