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1st Dec '16 3:37:30 PM KeithM
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** From the same series, Azrael's Blade. When a human holds it, they are driven inexorably to kill people that the holder thinks has wronged them, however trivially. The initial murder is over a ''parking space''. [[spoiler: Dan is nearly driven to kill Lucifer for eating the pudding that Dan had in the station refrigerator. "It. Was .''Labelled!''"]]

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** From the same series, Azrael's Blade. When a human holds it, they are driven inexorably to kill people that the holder thinks has wronged them, however trivially. The initial murder is over a ''parking space''. [[spoiler: Dan is nearly driven to kill Lucifer for eating the pudding that Dan had in the station refrigerator. "It. Was .Was. ''Labelled!''"]]
1st Dec '16 3:36:35 PM KeithM
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* Series/{{Lucifer}} doesn't control humans; he simply has the power to get them to reveal the truth, usually to him asking what is their deepest desires, good or evil. Once they've admitted what they are, especially to themselves, some make the choice to actively pursue that desire.

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* Series/{{Lucifer}} doesn't control humans; he simply has the power to get them to reveal the truth, truth to his questions, usually in response to him asking what is their deepest desires, good or evil. Once they've admitted what they are, especially to themselves, some make the choice to actively pursue that desire.desire.
** From the same series, Azrael's Blade. When a human holds it, they are driven inexorably to kill people that the holder thinks has wronged them, however trivially. The initial murder is over a ''parking space''. [[spoiler: Dan is nearly driven to kill Lucifer for eating the pudding that Dan had in the station refrigerator. "It. Was .''Labelled!''"]]
1st Dec '16 3:15:04 PM KeithM
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* Series/{{Lucifer}} doesn't control humans; he simply has the power to get them to reveal their deepest desires, good or evil. Once they've admitted what they are, especially to themselves, some make the choice to actively pursue that desire.

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* Series/{{Lucifer}} doesn't control humans; he simply has the power to get them to reveal the truth, usually to him asking what is their deepest desires, good or evil. Once they've admitted what they are, especially to themselves, some make the choice to actively pursue that desire.desire.
* On ''Series/{{Arrow}}'', many of the inhabitants of HIVE's ark aren't under mind-control, despite Darhk having that capability; they're simply people who have nothing in their old lives and therefore no loyalty to keeping things as they are when they're promised the possibility of a fresh start.
* The serial killer "Mister Scratch" on ''Series/CriminalMinds'' uses drugs to cause victims to believe assorted scenarios he comes up which then causes them to be the actual killers. He later gets a list of people suffering Dissociative Identity Disorder and uses the same method to convince them they are someone else in order to carry out whatever his plan is.
1st Dec '16 3:04:52 PM TheRedRedKroovy
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* Any actual "mind control". Nazis, cults, propaganda, advertising, talking heads on the news: if anyone gets you to do anything, it's by convincing you that you want to do it, or have to do it.
* Abusers do this.

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* Any actual In real life, any effective "mind control". Nazis, cults, control" usually amounts to this. Nazism, {{cult}}s, propaganda, advertising, talking heads on the news: if anyone gets you to do anything, it's by convincing you that you want to do it, or have to do it.
* Abusers often do this.this to their victims, convincing them that they are {{Asshole Victim}}s who deserve their mistreatment.



* Not exactly mind control, but there is the curious case of the debate about whether the administration of former President of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez was authoritarian or not. While there's no doubt that he had no problem stamping out opposition, for the most part he actually didn't have to. He was ''genuinely'' adored by many Venezuelans (enough to legitimately win three elections), and so could often let his supporters silence his critics for him without actually having to do anything. For example, he allowed freedom of the press, but only because his critics were automatically relegated to the fringes by society itself.
* The discoveries made by the field of memetics are often utilized to do this on a widespread scale. A properly created meme that is funny enough, cute enough, or (the most effective) rage-inducing and argument-provoking enough can cause an idea to 'infect' huge swaths of the population. While MemeticMutation does make this very unpredictable, the result is essentially mind control on a massive scale. Numerous pervasive cultural artifacts of the modern age, such as the widespread fear of Islam in the United States, the anti-vaccination movement, and Scientology, are believed by some scientists to be products of highly successful memes that have infected large numbers of people, deliberately or otherwise.

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* Not exactly mind control, but there is the curious case of the debate about whether the administration of Hugo Chavez, former President of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez was authoritarian or not. While there's no doubt that he had no problem stamping out opposition, for the most part he actually didn't have to. He was ''genuinely'' adored by many Venezuelans (enough Venezuelans, enough to legitimately win three elections), elections fair-and-square, and so he could often let his supporters silence his critics for him without actually having to do anything. For example, he allowed freedom of the press, but only because his critics were automatically relegated to the fringes by society itself.
* The discoveries made by the field of memetics are often utilized to do this on a widespread scale. A properly created properly-created meme that is funny enough, cute enough, or (the most effective) [[FlameBait rage-inducing and argument-provoking argument-provoking]] enough can cause an idea to 'infect' huge swaths of the population. While MemeticMutation does make this very unpredictable, the result is essentially mind control on a massive scale. Numerous pervasive cultural artifacts of the modern age, such as the widespread fear of Islam in the United States, the anti-vaccination movement, and Scientology, [[ChurchOfHappyology Scientology]], are believed by some scientists to be products of highly successful memes that have infected large numbers of people, deliberately or otherwise.
30th Nov '16 4:57:32 PM TheAmazingBlachman
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What makes this "more than mind control" rather than simple [[ManipulativeBastard manipulation]] is that this can still be ''assisted'' by magic or technology. [[TheDarkSide Magic forces may be at work]], but it's really the despair, trickery, lies, and sometimes even [[ExactWords carefully-selected]] [[MetaphoricallyTrue truths]], that are thrown in that successfully break the victim's spirit. Instead of the villain forcing a victim to do something against their will, the villain ''changes'' the victim's will. It's DealWithTheDevil [[XMeetsY meets]] BreakThemByTalking.

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What makes this "more than mind control" rather than simple [[ManipulativeBastard manipulation]] is that this can still be ''assisted'' by magic or technology. [[TheDarkSide Magic forces may be at work]], but it's really the despair, trickery, lies, and sometimes even [[ExactWords carefully-selected]] [[MetaphoricallyTrue truths]], that are thrown in that successfully break the victim's spirit. Instead of the villain forcing a victim to do something against their will, the villain ''changes'' the victim's will. It's DealWithTheDevil [[XMeetsY meets]] BreakThemByTalking.
BreakThemByTalking. This can even be justified depending on the setting; a very common limitation on mind control across many different works (for example ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'') is that the would-be-controller simply cannot induce an idea or a command into the victim that is either completely alien to their mind or goes against their base instincts. Much like a body's immune system will fight against a virus or a bacteria, the mind in-question will recognize the thought as a foreign object and will resist or even completely reject it.
26th Nov '16 5:25:55 PM nombretomado
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* Used in ''Literature/TheSilverChair'', one of ''TheChroniclesOfNarnia'', by the Lady of the Green Kirtle (TheVamp), on the four main characters. They're saved by TheEeyore, who notes that, even if what she's saying is true and Narnia really is just a happy fantasy world, he prefers it to the awful truth, at which point the other characters realize that if this dreary underground really ''was'' the only world they'd ever known, their imaginations would be stunted and they'd never have been able to invent Narnia. The smell of burning marshwiggle didn't hurt either.

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* Used in ''Literature/TheSilverChair'', one of ''TheChroniclesOfNarnia'', ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia'', by the Lady of the Green Kirtle (TheVamp), on the four main characters. They're saved by TheEeyore, who notes that, even if what she's saying is true and Narnia really is just a happy fantasy world, he prefers it to the awful truth, at which point the other characters realize that if this dreary underground really ''was'' the only world they'd ever known, their imaginations would be stunted and they'd never have been able to invent Narnia. The smell of burning marshwiggle didn't hurt either.
11th Oct '16 4:53:24 PM KeithM
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* Series/{{Lucifer}} doesn't control humans; he simply has the power to get them to reveal their deepest desires, good or evil. Once they've admitted what they are, especially to themselves, some make the choice to actively pursue that desire.
11th Oct '16 4:28:33 PM siberia82
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* ''Film/XMenApocalypse'': En Sabah Nur has superhuman persuasion abilities that he uses on the Horsemen, according to Creator/BryanSinger.
-->"He has various abilities and powers, one of them, like [Apocalypse actor Oscar Isaac said during the Comic-Con panel], is the power of persuasion, and part of why that's necessary is he needs other followers to be his Horsemen, and some of them would be hard to persuade--Magneto, Erik being the hardest. It's interesting, what's a little bit, hopefully, complex in the movie, or even ambiguous, is how much he's persuading his followers with a superhuman ability or just he's like any cult leader who is really good at convincing people to follow him, so we don't really ever make that explicit. It's not like he's putting people under a spell, but he is superhumanly persuasive."
21st Sep '16 1:47:27 AM Parasect
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* This is the entire point of the [[ComicBook/NewGods Anti-Life Equation]]. It's not just a mind-control formula: it's a ''logical proof'' that free will is inherently paradoxical and meaningless, and that the only real meaning in life is to serve {{Darkseid}} and his will.
5th Sep '16 3:37:57 PM Redaka
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*** Also played straight in "Lesson Zero" when Big Mac [[spoiler:wants to keep Smarty Pants for real.]]

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*** ** Consequently in Season 4 episode "What about Discord?" Twilight is convinced Discord has brainwashed all her friends into liking him and is genuinely surprised to find out that is not the case at all.
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Also played straight in "Lesson Zero" when Big Mac [[spoiler:wants to keep Smarty Pants for real.]]
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