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Working Title: Breaking The Third Wall: From YKTTW
Question: How is this different from Reality Subtext? Is that a more specific version of it? Or perhaps vice versa? Maybe someone can address this in the description.
Binaroid: As I see it, Reality Subtext is about elements of a production that don't break the fourth wall, but take on entirely new meanings if the viewer is aware of what was going on behind the scenes. Leaning on the Fourth Wall is about scenes that provide (Im)Plausible Deniability for Breaking the Fourth Wall; it can be used to show Reality Subtext, but the tropes do not depend on each other.
Daibhid C: I'm not entirely sure this is an example, but I thought I'd put it here and see what people think. In one of the Sub Machine games ("The Lab", I think), you pick up notes as you go. Most of them are from groups of explorers who've been organised by Murtagh, but one is from a confused person who wandered into the submachine network and couldn't find their way out. It sounds exactly like the posts a Sub Machine game (or any other escape game) prompts on game discussion sites. ("Someone help, I found some stuff but I don't know what to do with it.")
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BritBllt: Nuking this, because it's not only Flame Bait, it's also totally incorrect.
- The 2009 Star Trek movie devoted an entire scene to giving obsessive Trekkies the bird with regards to continuity, with the entire cast contributing to the conversation.
- Meanwhile, the sane ones figured it out in the opening scene and were enjoying the ride. And the lack of a Large Ham.
You know, I think I'm starting to figure out the roaring hatred 2009 movie fans have for the established base, and this Dead Unicorn Trope of longtime Trek fans all hating the 2009 movie. I think people who didn't like Trek before are so uncomfortable with liking this movie that they need to flame the rest of the fandom and set themselves apart to make it okay. "You Trekkies are all a bunch of costumed geeks, but me and my friends are cool, and so is this movie which I'm sure all of you hate because you, unlike us, are just a bunch of weirdos!"
Anyway, there is no such scene anywhere in the movie, unless the scene in question is Spock Prime explaining the Time Travel backstory, which (in addition to involving precisely two characters, not the "entire cast" - they weren't even all onscreen at once!) is most certainly not "giving obsessive Trekkies the bird". It's giving them exactly the Cosmic Ret Con justification that would allow them to enjoy the movie. So Yeah.
