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Bluetooth The Pirate: Just to go on record, I really dislike the way the Transmogrified entry (which was a set of plots) got rolled up into another — related but distinct — entry, which was a trope. Plus, Biological Mash Up is not a subtype of Animorphism. Most of the examples are two humans or humanoids being joined in some way, like a super powerful Chained Heat. It's about the story element, not the specifics of the phony science involved, that's important.

Robert: I agree apart Biological Mash Up - I just left it where it was relatively, since I was was making enough other changes.

All the examples under Transmogrified were instances of Involuntary Shapeshifting, and none of the plots were unique to it. Other forms of Phlebotinum Breakdown or Green Rocks effects would lead to the exact same plots, so I folded it in. Tropes list the plots associated with them. Distinct plots have their own page.

Seth I suport the changes because its much easyer to navigate this way and when you change shape in a series it is either voluntary or involuntary no matter how it happened. This is just a clearer name.

Bluetooth The Pirate: Okay, first, Freaky Friday was completely lost in the shuffle. Second, none of the Transmogrified plots were either a definite involuntary or voluntary — in a lot of cases both happened at once, or turned out differently than the volunteer subject imagined. Involuntary shapeshifting was a specific plot element about a person that underwent some kind of change in response to something, as a repeated complication. For instance: Ranma and water, werewolves and the moon. It doesn't have to be a whole-series complication, many characters experience it temporarily; but it was a specific entry. You took Transmogrified, an entry that was fairly polished and stable, and dragged it back into a primitive, draftish state for no good reason.

Robert: Freaky Friday has very little to do with shape changing. None of the transmogrified examples were of controlled, voluntary, shapechanging, which doesn't lead to the kind of plots that were described on that page.

It may have been polished, but not in a way that would fit comfortably with other pages on Shapeshifting, which were needed. Adjustments were necessary, to make the structure of the wiki as a whole more coherent. Now they've been made, all those pages can be polished, ending up better than where we started.

If you still want a transmogrified page, distinct from Involuntary Shapeshifting, what's the difference between the two concepts, and does it have narrative significance? Note, if someone volunteers to be hit by a transformation ray that still counts as involuntary - they can't change at will.

If you're satisfied with the current page division, make any improvements you feel necessary. I know they're unpolished, with Shapeshifting in particular being little more than a draft - better than having no page for the concept, but not by much.

Were Josh Peck Prince: I saw that Batman episode. I don't think that it counts as an example.


Anke: Since nobody disagreed on the forum, I cleaned this up to the "shapeshifter who can't control their powers" it mainly was.

I removed the "Supertrope of" thing, reasons: Attack of the 50-Foot Whatever, Incredible Shrinking Man, Fountain Of Youth Thirteen Going On Thirty, Biological Mash Up, Biological Mash Up - caused by outside forces/Applied Phlebotinum rather than inherent powers Animorphism - says right in the first line it can be either voluntary or involuntary

Wolf Man, Our Werewolves Are Different - The Wolf Man article says it's usually an involuntary change, so it's not always. Our Werewolves Are Different includes plenty of werewolves who can control their transformation.