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BrightBlueInk: Does Edward Elric count? His automail is definitely a big help to him, but he's also shown having to learn how to use his automail and going through physical pain because of it.
Also, what about supernatural beings that are handicapped for their people, but not in a way that would count as handicapped if they were human? (I'm thinking of Chrono from Chrono Crusade—a demon whose horns were removed, which in the world of the series means he's unable to use his spiritual powers without a contract with a human—but there might be other examples I'm not thinking of.)
I tried to clean out all of the examples that sound like they either barely meet the definition or don't meet it at all. I only took out the ones that seemed obvious, but there are a lot more that should probably go to. ~~~~
Dexter really shouldn't be on this list. His homicidal tendencies do not qualify as a handicap for the purposes of this trope, as they do not hinder him in any way from accomplishing his badassitude.
Random Troper: Um, to the troper who removed a ton of examples - It seems to me that many of the examples you removed are legitimately handicapped people who still manage to be heroes, which is the underlying criteria of being a Handicapped Badass.
Storyyeller: Sorry, I thought that Handicapped Badass was specifically for examples where a character became disabled during the show, so examples like Daredevil and Geordi La Forge don't count because they became disabled before the show started. Maybe the trope needs a better description.
Random Troper: Ah, hey there Storyyeller. And I see your logic. But actual, when I first created the page, I didn't think I put anything stating that the handicap "had" to occur during the run of the show/movie/comic/etc. I'd written that some works will indeed use the injury as part of its narrative, most likely as an Origin Story if its someone with a Disability Superpower or as a Training Montage to show how someone overcame the handicap. But I never intended to suggest that that was a requirement.
Besides, though, did Matt Murdock become blind during the course of the Daredevil story??
Random Troper: Hey Storyyeller. I wanted to elaborate further, since the page history annotations may seem a little "catty".
Handicapped Badass would naturally overlap with Disability Superpower, if nothing else because the sheer number of disabled superheroes in fiction. Because something applies to more than one trope doesn't make one or the other trope invalid. Han Solo is both Jerk with a Heart of Gold as well as being The Captain. Ditto, James T. Kirk and Malcolm Reynolds.
This page specifically discusses disabled heroes in fiction (and Real Life). It will of course include all the characters in Disability Superpower and some who don't have powers. But it's still valid. This page is about the character, regardless of if their disability ties into a superpower of some kind.
As for the consensus against including Daredevil, I was referring to http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=tq95pyxioy53te3uv2mlpdju&page=1#15
Hey, how do you get to these pages?? I mean, thanks for the link, but I don't know how to get these forum pages on my own. Can you help me out??
It's on the sidebar under Troperville
Nohbody: Does Honor Harrington really count? Other than temporarily when (re)learning to control them, she doesn't seem to be hampered any by the artificial replacements for body parts lost during her various activities. If anything, the replacement parts are more of a help than the originals they're substituted for (see the failed nanomachine-driven assassination attempt in At All Costs, for a relatively recent example). It seems to me she'd be excluded under the same reasoning that keeps the Six Million Dollar Man/Bionic Woman from counting, for the purposes of this trope.
The Starship Maxima: Hey Nohbody. I gotta tell you, I was wondering about that myself. But I wonder, if she still counts, because there are disadvantages to her enhancements even though they do help her. Kinda like Commander La Forge from Star Trek; yes he can see things nobody else can, but then he can't even watch the stars normally. Likewise, I thought in Honor Harrington 's lifetime, they can actually clone you new body parts, but she has to settle for bionics. And as you say, she did have to relearn to use them. Maybe it's a case that it only applies during the initial trial period.
Random Troper: What is with deleting characters who are disabled and are badass like House or Cameron Mitchell from Stargate SG 1??
Jewelled Dragon 13: I was just about to make a page called Badass Handicap and then I found this. I love it when other people have already made the exact page I was planning to make.
