This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Anonymous Mc Cartneyfan: Do not kill this. There is no room for the trope listing here in the current entry in Fan Fic Recommendations. We do not want to lose the trope list!
Looney Toons: While I cannot speak for the other Cut Masters, I am not intending to delete this section. I will leave the cut list entries up for at least a week or two more to encourage further discussion, though, to see if consensus changes.
Shay Guy: In case anyone is curious, there seem to be almost exactly 20MB of text files on http://www.eyrie.net/UF/
. 14.3 of those are in Future Imperfect, 8.1 under Symphony of the Sword. There's also a 17.4MB MP3 which I can't seem to find a link to. It's not on the GA main page, at any rate.
LATER EDIT: Approximating six bytes per word, which the two most recent stories roughly work out to according to this form, that's about 3.495 million words, 2.499 million in FI, 1.416 million in SOS. Yeesh. Divide all ~3M by seventeen years, and EPU has produced around 205,600 words annually, just counting UF. That's a Goblet of Fire or Deathly Hallows every year. As a hobby. Has Terry Pratchett even published that many words since fall 1991? Yeah, yeah, editors and all, but still.
Looney Toons: Nice catch, Binaroid! I'd forgotten completely about Battlecruiser Vengeance. For those not in the know, Battlecruiser Vengeance is the Klingon version of Star Trek. Since the Trek organizaitons and people exist in the UF universe, there's no Trek TV series... BV takes its place, right down to the episodes and characters. Except with a Klingon flavor (Dr. moq'Hoi, for instance). Oh, and the bad Trek episodes are the classic best BV episodes ("S'poq's Brain"), and vice versa. There's speculation, but no in-world proof yet, that the movie numbering is similarly inverted for BV, with the even-numbered movies being the lousy ones and the odd-numbered ones being kickass.
Mephron: Shay Guy, the Living Large MP 3 is an audio version of a ministory from the Forums, and is linked from there in the 'Mini-Stories' subboard of the UF discussion. Thank You.
Shay Guy: There seems to be a character named Deedlit Satori. Considering what's said here
by the authors, should this be sufficient to add Record Of Lodoss War to the source list?
Looney Toons: Probably, although very tenuously — the character is not the same as the one in the source material, only the name was lifted, IIRC, because the particular contributor liked the sound of it. But I'll go ahead and add it if you haven't already done so.
Shay Guy: Just wasn't sure what criteria we were using for inclusion. It says "...includes elements and/or characters from...but it is known for a fact to also include references and Shout Outs to..." Satori pretty clearly falls under "Shout-Out," and that's kind of ambiguous.
Looney Toons: The criteria are considerably looser than they should be. There are a few sources listed that really should count only as shoutouts, honestly — Love Hina, for example, for contributing the physical appearance of Azalynn. It'd probably be better to get rid of that line and simply roll all sources, however tenuous, into the one monster list.
Shay Guy: I say we add Shout-Out to the trope list and move Love Hina/Planet Of The Apes/Record Of Lodoss War/all-the-others to a sublist on that entry, like what was done for Shinji and Warhammer40k, reserving the source list for actual characters and elements being imported.
Looney Toons: Tell you what, I'll grab a local copy of the page source and work up something. I'll have to look at the SAW 40 K page and see what was done there, as I haven't seen it yet. What would really be good is if we can start up sublists of what elements each source contributes... (Update, 11/23/08) Still working on revisions. I'm about 1/3 through the source list, and have moved about half a dozen entries to the Shoutout trope.
Shay Guy: Thank you. :) I always feel lost when it comes to UF...
Looney Toons: No problem. Of course, I can't remember everything, but it's a start... when I get home from work tonight I'll post what I have, in the hopes it will jumpstart other folks who will recognize things that I didn't. (The next day...) Okay, it's up. Hopefully the list of elements and characters will spur other contributors.
Shay Guy: Thanks again. I'd add to it myself, if I'd ever gotten further than partway through Out In The Cold. Also, not trying to nag you into being my own personal Guide to Eyrie or anything, but...would you be willing to take a look at Trope Pantheons Discussion?
Looney Toons: You're welcome. And I'll look into it, although the Pantheons are not my particular cup of meat.
Mephron: I'm not totally sure how to edit The Big List, so I'll note it here: Garcia Loveless is a character from Black Lagoon (the translations for the last name are shown by different people as Loveless and Lovelace), not the one from Wild Wild West. In Black Lagoon he's about nine years old.
Looney Toons: No prob, I'll do it. For future reference, though, it's just like editing this page — the folder stuff is simply a markup surrounding the list text.
Looney Toons: Can someone please catalog the Honor Harrington material in UF? I'd do it but I'm not familiar with the series and thus only know about its presence via second hand references.
Troika: It seems rather odd that this doesn't have some variant of Mary Sue listed.
Looney Toons: Strictly speaking, I don't think any of the insert characters really qualify. They don't have any of the overdone self-indulgent encrustations that typify Sues.
