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Turtler
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12:15:10 PM Sep 7th 2012
I'm sorry, but what's with the name again? It sounds incredibly non-indicative and random. I'd be hard pressed to find someone who'd guess what it's referring to (IE: a place too corrupted to be saved) from the name itself. It sounds like it's trying to be clever, but just ends up sounding *off.*

Again, this might just be me but I'd propose a rename, since to me Soiled City sounds more like a horribly corrupt capital city or other primate city that's become unspeakably corrupted, rather than "A place that cannot be saved."
Cider
11:37:43 AM Jul 11th 2013
It is a USA thing, city on a hill is shorthand their for "ideal place". Soiled City On A Hill is an ideal place that got ruined.

If we name change it then what to? Pride, complacency, corruption and ambition would all have to be possible conclusions to take from the title, and 'soiled' can apply to all of them.
Lawman592
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06:08:41 PM Mar 20th 2011
Where to categorize Iram and Saeftinghe?
Lawman592
06:21:27 PM Mar 20th 2011
Both were real-life cities abandoned due to natural disasters (i.e., Iram was destroyed when the water-depleted limestone cavern beneath it collapsed and Saeftinghe fell victim to a flood in 1570 and the deliberate destruction of a dike in 1584). However, the stories about their moral corruption and the reasons for their destruction are from myth and folklore. Thus, do these examples belong in REAL LIFE or MYTHOLOGY?
Cider
11:39:42 AM Jul 11th 2013
Mythology/folklore, unless you think the real life actions of the populace made them deserve the destruction of their cities.
Lawman592
12:11:57 AM Jul 12th 2013
edited by 69.172.221.8
Thanks for your imput Cider.

I eventually decided to classify Iram, Saeftinghe, and Rungholt under REAL LIFE because evidence indicates they actually existed even if the real circumstances behind their destruction were probably a bit more mundane than legend would have it. In contrast, I put Vineta under RELIGION AND MYTHOLOGY because there's no actual proof (e.g., ruins or accurate records) it existed. However, if they ever come across the soggy ruins of a medieval trading city in the vicinity of the German-Polish border that can be verified as the likely location of Vineta, I'll move the entry.
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