Saying 'antediluvian world before the great flood' is redundant, since antediluvian roughly means 'before the great flood' (specifically, "before the deluge")
Question for discussion: Where to categorize Iram and Saeftinghe?
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Both were real-life cities abandoned due to natural disasters (i.e., Iram was destroyed when the water-depleted limestone cavern beneath it collapsed and Saeftinghe fell victim to a flood in 1570 and the deliberate destruction of a dike in 1584). However, the stories about their moral corruption and the reasons for their destruction are from myth and folklore. Thus, do these examples belong in REAL LIFE or MYTHOLOGY?
Mythology/folklore, unless you think the real life actions of the populace made them deserve the destruction of their cities.
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Thanks for your imput Cider.
I eventually decided to classify Iram, Saeftinghe, and Rungholt under REAL LIFE because evidence indicates they actually existed even if the real circumstances behind their destruction were probably a bit more mundane than legend would have it. In contrast, I put Vineta under RELIGION AND MYTHOLOGY because there's no actual proof (e.g., ruins or accurate records) it existed. However, if they ever come across the soggy ruins of a medieval trading city in the vicinity of the German-Polish border that can be verified as the likely location of Vineta, I'll move the entry.
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I'm sorry, but what's with the name again? It sounds incredibly non-indicative and random. I'd be hard pressed to find someone who'd guess what it's referring to (IE: a place too corrupted to be saved) from the name itself. It sounds like it's trying to be clever, but just ends up sounding *off.*
Again, this might just be me but I'd propose a rename, since to me Soiled City sounds more like a horribly corrupt capital city or other primate city that's become unspeakably corrupted, rather than "A place that cannot be saved."
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It is a USA thing, city on a hill is shorthand their for "ideal place". Soiled City On A Hill is an ideal place that got ruined.
If we name change it then what to? Pride, complacency, corruption and ambition would all have to be possible conclusions to take from the title, and 'soiled' can apply to all of them.
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If, like Hollywood, the San Diego Padres, Qualcomm, Tom Cruise and me you live in Southern California, it's pretty shocking that the Salton Sea hasn't been listed in the Real Life branch yet. On the one hand, I get it- we already talk about ourselves too much, and arguably other people talk about us too much, too.
Assuming a lot of you are unfamiliar, I must insist that you research the history, advertising, and ecology around this manmade oasis that is now a stinking pile of horrible chemicals and less diluted every day. Without taking on the role of wikipedia for myself I can only say that it is our Sodom with a dash of Bayocean, and that it is certain that both dubious local boating and industrial activity of the 20th century dovetailed with the global climate disaster.
And that even as a blighted stinkhole it was still a popular travel destination for a long time, with a tragic irony: we loved to go there and gawk at the horrors of capitalism, consuming precious fuel and water and unsustainable desert produce in doing so, all while adding to the pollution.