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Well even if that\'s the case then the fault is on the audience for their reaction, not on Colbert (or Chappelle, Rock, and Cho for that matter) for making jokes that are interpreted in a way opposite from their intent. Even so, it\'s known that the staff encourages the audience beforehand to laugh as loudly and as often as possible for the cameras as part of the charade. What you hear from the audience is not the best barometer for what they truly think.
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Well even if that\\\'s the case then the fault is on the audience for their reaction, not on Colbert, or Chappelle, Rock, and Cho for that matter ([[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc_-l5zpTWE here\\\'s an instance of Chappelle \\\"using Asians as a tool\\\" to satirize police racism against blacks for one]]) for making jokes that are interpreted in a way opposite from their intent. Even so, it\\\'s known that the staff encourages the audience beforehand to laugh as loudly and as often as possible for the cameras as part of the charade. What you hear from the audience is not the best barometer for what they truly think.
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As a proud East Asian who personally wasn\'t offended (and I know I\'m not alone in this), the intent was pretty clear. Most Americans probably don\'t give a crap about Natives, and have been pretty dismissive of \
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As a proud East Asian who personally wasn\\\'t offended (and I know I\\\'m not alone in this), the intent was pretty clear. Most Americans probably don\\\'t give a crap about Natives, and have been pretty dismissive of \\\"redskins\\\" as an offensive slur in the past. So, the best way to raise its visibility is to parallel it to something that the American public does recognize as obviously offensive, and hopefully at least some viewers will be smart enough to make the comparisons and do something about it. It\\\'s not a case of him using the satire excuse as an shield to say hateful things and get away with it like, oh you know, that whole bit on Jon Kyl\\\'s \\\"not intended to be a factual statement\\\", which is what ParodyRetcon is about.
Now if he used something like \\\"Lord Toffington\\\'s Limey Association for Acceptance of Pommies\\\" or \\\"Doktor Mengele\\\'s Foundation for Kraut Relations\\\" it just wouldn\\\'t have enough punch, because A. comparisons between disadvantaged groups like Native Americans and actually privileged groups aren\\\'t helpful, and B. it\\\'s not offensive enough for anybody to care. Blockading all non-AcceptableTargets from being used in these kinds of jokes ever would turn the show\\\'s satire listless and unable to get the visceral reaction it needs to make its point. Maybe it could be argued that the particulars of this joke were overwrought. Maybe it didn\\\'t go far enough, and got caught into PoesLaw. Maybe he could\\\'ve used an even more obviously unacceptable target like blacks or Latinos. But we\\\'re not the butt of the joke, Dan Snyder is.
I can\\\'t comment on the controversy over trans jokes, as I\\\'m not one myself and therefore not qualified to speak about such things. But regarding this particular incident, some of the statements Suey Park has made over it comes off as opportunistic or hypocritically inflammatory, and the fact that known racists like Michelle Malkin (who have a vested interest in getting Colbert\\\'s show cancelled since they are overwhelmingly the target of his satire, not minorities) are spearheading the counterattack, makes me suspect that there are more cynical motives behind the blowup. Notably there was no outcry over his past uses of the Ching Chong Ding Dong character to pointedly satirize people who did the same without even a hint of irony. Or over The Onion calling Snyder a kike over the Redskins name. I don\\\'t think the show is in any serious danger, but it does bother me that people would rather attack Colbert for pointing out and mocking racism than Snyder for baldly defending it. [[KarmaHoudini How convenient for him]].
Now if he used something like \\\"Lord Toffington\\\'s Limey Association for Acceptance of Pommies\\\" or \\\"Doktor Mengele\\\'s Foundation for Kraut Relations\\\" it just wouldn\\\'t have enough punch, because A. comparisons between disadvantaged groups like Native Americans and actually privileged groups aren\\\'t helpful, and B. it\\\'s not offensive enough for anybody to care. Blockading all non-AcceptableTargets from being used in these kinds of jokes ever would turn the show\\\'s satire listless and unable to get the visceral reaction it needs to make its point. Maybe it could be argued that the particulars of this joke were overwrought. Maybe it didn\\\'t go far enough, and got caught into PoesLaw. Maybe he could\\\'ve used an even more obviously unacceptable target like blacks or Latinos. But we\\\'re not the butt of the joke, Dan Snyder is.
I can\\\'t comment on the controversy over trans jokes, as I\\\'m not one myself and therefore not qualified to speak about such things. But regarding this particular incident, some of the statements Suey Park has made over it comes off as opportunistic or hypocritically inflammatory, and the fact that known racists like Michelle Malkin (who have a vested interest in getting Colbert\\\'s show cancelled since they are overwhelmingly the target of his satire, not minorities) are spearheading the counterattack, makes me suspect that there are more cynical motives behind the blowup. Notably there was no outcry over his past uses of the Ching Chong Ding Dong character to pointedly satirize people who did the same without even a hint of irony. Or over The Onion calling Snyder a kike over the Redskins name. I don\\\'t think the show is in any serious danger, but it does bother me that people would rather attack Colbert for pointing out and mocking racism than Snyder for baldly defending it. [[KarmaHoudini How convenient for him]].
