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It\'s a very good point you have about this furthering the division/conflict between people of different cultures and social class. I\'m not sure we can apply it so easliy to the situation of Amak, though. Or at least not wholly to him getting used to it because he had nowhere else to go. Understadning different cultures isn\'t just important for the Magnificent Bastard- people can to be willing to overcome a lot of cultural barriers (and put a LOT of effort into understanding those different cultures) when it\'s important to their relationship woth someone they care about. (I bet Karasu was showing a lot of interest in understadning the Southern Water Tribe\'s traditions, not just becuase she wanted to be able to take good care of her people it Lituya Bay.) :)

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It\\\'s a very good point you have about this furthering the division/conflict between people of different cultures and social class. I\\\'m not sure we can apply it so easliy to the situation of Amak, though. Or at least not wholly to him getting used to it because he had nowhere else to go. Understanding different cultures isn\\\'t just important for the Magnificent Bastard- people can to be willing to overcome a lot of cultural barriers (and put a LOT of effort into understanding those different cultures) when it\\\'s important to their relationship with someone they care about. (I bet Karasu was showing a lot of interest in understanding the Southern Water Tribe\\\'s traditions, not just becuase she wanted to be able to take good care of her people in Lituya Bay.) :)

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As for Amak and Karasu, while I\'m sure she\'s able to fall into court formal fairly easily (her fmaily wouldn\'t have neglected her training for that) I\'m not sure it would be as reflexive as it would be for anyone who\'d lived in the Caldera, at least around her own people in the Bay.

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As for Amak and Karasu, while I\\\'m sure she\\\'s able to fall into court formal fairly easily (her family wouldn\\\'t have neglected her training for that) I\\\'m not sure it would be as reflexive as it would be for anyone who\\\'d lived in the Caldera, at least not around her own people in the Bay.

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I\'m doubt Zuko\'s making a deliberate decision to NOT admit the war is wrong- when I read through his interactions with people, I got the impression that HE was under the impression it was kind of \

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Now, I doubt Zuko\\\'s making a deliberate decision to NOT admit the war is wrong- when I read through his interactions with people, I got the impression that HE was under the impression it was kind of \\\"understood\\\" that the war is wrong. Kind of as a baseline for meeting with people from other nations. Or at least the FN atocities during the war were wrong things. You know, like before you might make truces with people, you first determine that they a) don\\\'t kill puppies for fun b) don\\\'t eat people c) don\\\'t think that what happened to Katara\\\'s mom or Ping was okay, or necessary collateral damage, or didn\\\'t count as as bad becuase they were from different countries at war, or ANYTHING but UTTERLY, TOTALLY horrible and wrong. (Clarification: Different bad things happend to Pin and Katara\\\'s mom, but both were utterly awful and Zuko agrees that it\\\'s unjust. Not trying to imply the same bad things happened to both of them. Sorry.)

Clarification: You have a point that no one explicitly denies the cultural imperialism the FN tries to inculcate in its kids when speaking to OUTSIDERS.

I think that while Zuko has come to recognize that it\\\'s wrong (see him refute Teruko\\\'s views on fragile earth maidens in the Beach, or tell his soldiers to stop insulting Sokka for being a \\\"barbarian\\\" when the state of the South Pole is a result or the FN\\\'s war), it\\\'s true the rest of the FN isn\\\'t as open-minded. Even among those who want to stop the war.

Changing these attitudes will take time. (Keep in mind that Teruko was from Byakko, and presumably a bit familiar with Water and Air, and still prone to being dismissive of Earth Kingdom women who didn\\\'t fight.) Going \\\"Wow, we were taught in school that you were all horrible uncivilzed barbarians and mudpeople but I found out that\\\'s not true, now lets talk about working together,\\\" would probably not win him many allies. (Can you honestly imagine Zuko being able to use TACT in that kind of conversation? Whoever he was talking to would probably want to kill him mere seconds after he started opening his mouth. The guy is horrible at diplomacy.)

I think how much a reader might be annoyed be the FN members not being so explicit that the War is wrong depends on how you view the story. From a long-range view, that takes into account how the author is putting things together, I can see why you\\\'re frustrated we haven\\\'t had the equivalent of a Jeong-Jeong yet, to balance things out. But from a more character-centric view, for the characters Vathara has created or elaborated on (Zuko, Iroh, Teruko, Sadao) there dialogue thus far fits the circumstances they are in now and/or have grown up in. WHEN we see them also matters- Iroh, for example, probably had to admit the war was wrong before becoming grandmaster of the White Lotus.

Shidan admits what happened was wrong, when talking with Saoluan. He explains the dragons reasons, yes- but his explanation of motives is so alien, I think it\\\'s clear that this does not fuctnion as any kind of excuse for the actions (and inactions) of many dragons and FN people.

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