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\\\"So basically you\\\'re giving me a point-blank rebuttal based on you not liking the way I\\\'m using the word vanity?\\\"
No, I just don\\\'t think you\\\'re using in the appropriate context.
Believe it or not, men will be preoccupied with their looks as well. Men shave as much as women. Men will wear business suits to make a good impression at work. Men will dress a certain way that may appeal to their sense of style. Some men work out to become muscular (more masculine). It\\\'s just not emphasized in the same way as it is with women. Using your logic, Sokka and Aang are more vain than Toph. Both were shaving in the beginning of that episode so that they would appear in the manner that pleases them. It\\\'s just that men are allowed to be more than their looks. When I think of this [[{{Vanity Is Feminine}} trope]], I think of the \\\'\\\'mentality\\\'\\\' that \\\"feminine\\\" women/men, by default, are more prone to feeding off looks (something considered abitrary and inconsequential in the whole scheme of things) because women are passive creatures of habit. And since {{Men Act Women Are}}, a girl\\\'s worth is measured in how pleasing she is because she can\\\'t actually \\\'\\\'[[{{Women Are Delicate}} work]]\\\'\\\' to deserve anything more. Femininity, therefore vanity, is being equated with shallowness due to lacking any actual worth as an individual. \\\"Prettiness\\\" is the one goal women should strive for instead of being content with who they are. That\\\'s why this trope is considered a {{Double Standard}} that borders on {{Unfortunate Implications}} especially regardng gay men.
Some boys will be bullied for the way they look (being fat, wearing glasses, looking dweebish). That could lead him to feel insecure or helpless because he\\\'s picked on for shallow reasons. He could be a target just for the way he looks. Does that make them vain? With Toph I just saw insecurity, not vanity. She can\\\'t be sure what she looks like, and the pressure incited by her encounter only made it worse. She doesn\\\'t want to feel a burden that she can\\\'t even grasp. And, to me, 1) being self-concious or caring about what people think of you =/= vain. Nor does wanting to be pleasing or presentable; it could just mean you want to make a good impression, feel included, or just feel secure in the fact that you\\\'re easy on the eyes. It\\\'s when you make it \\\'\\\'all\\\'\\\' about looks as if it\\\'s the \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' thing that makes you of worth that leads to vanity.
I just feel that it would at least be wise to evaluate what exactly counts as feminine and what qualifies as vanity.
No, I just don\\\'t think you\\\'re using in the appropriate context.
Believe it or not, men will be preoccupied with their looks as well. Men shave as much as women. Men will wear business suits to make a good impression at work. Men will dress a certain way that may appeal to their sense of style. Some men work out to become muscular (more masculine). It\\\'s just not emphasized in the same way as it is with women. Using your logic, Sokka and Aang are more vain than Toph. Both were shaving in the beginning of that episode so that they would appear in the manner that pleases them. It\\\'s just that men are allowed to be more than their looks. When I think of this [[{{Vanity Is Feminine}} trope]], I think of the \\\'\\\'mentality\\\'\\\' that \\\"feminine\\\" women/men, by default, are more prone to feeding off looks (something considered abitrary and inconsequential in the whole scheme of things) because women are passive creatures of habit. And since {{Men Act Women Are}}, a girl\\\'s worth is measured in how pleasing she is because she can\\\'t actually \\\'\\\'[[{{Women Are Delicate}} work]]\\\'\\\' to deserve anything more. Femininity, therefore vanity, is being equated with shallowness due to lacking any actual worth as an individual. \\\"Prettiness\\\" is the one goal women should strive for instead of being content with who they are. That\\\'s why this trope is considered a {{Double Standard}} that borders on {{Unfortunate Implications}} especially regardng gay men.
Some boys will be bullied for the way they look (being fat, wearing glasses, looking dweebish). That could lead him to feel insecure or helpless because he\\\'s picked on for shallow reasons. He could be a target just for the way he looks. Does that make them vain? With Toph I just saw insecurity, not vanity. She can\\\'t be sure what she looks like, and the pressure incited by her encounter only made it worse. She doesn\\\'t want to feel a burden that she can\\\'t even grasp. And, to me, 1) being self-concious or caring about what people think of you =/= vain. Nor does wanting to be pleasing or presentable; it could just mean you want to make a good impression, feel included, or just feel secure in the fact that you\\\'re easy on the eyes. It\\\'s when you make it \\\'\\\'all\\\'\\\' about looks as if it\\\'s the \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' thing that makes you of worth that leads to vanity.
I just feel that it would at least be wise to evaluate what exactly counts as feminine and what qualifies as vanity.
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\\\"So basically you\\\'re giving me a point-blank rebuttal based on you not liking the way I\\\'m using the word vanity?\\\"
No, I just don\\\'t think you\\\'re using in the appropriate context.
Believe it or not, men will be preoccupied with their looks as well. Men shave as much as women. Men will wear business suits to make a good impression at work. Men will dress a certain way that may appeal to their sense of style. Some men work out to become muscular (more masculine). It\\\'s just not emphasized in the same way as it is with women. Using your logic, Sokka and Aang are more vain than Toph. Both were shaving in the beginning of that episode so that they would appear in the manner that pleases them. It\\\'s just that men are allowed to be more than their looks. When I think of this [[{{Vanity Is Feminine}} trope]], I think of the \\\'\\\'mentality\\\'\\\' that \\\"feminine\\\" women/men, by default, are more prone to feeding off looks (something considered abitrary and inconsequential in the whole scheme of things) because women are passive creatures of habit. And since {{Men Act Women Are}}, a girl\\\'s worth is measured in how pleasing she is because she can\\\'t actually \\\'\\\'[[{{Women Are Delicate}} work]]\\\'\\\' to deserve anything more. Femininity, therefore vanity, is being equated with shallowness due to lacking any actual worth as an individual. \\\"Prettiness\\\" is the one goal women should strive for instead of being content with who they are. That\\\'s why this trope is considered a {{Double Standard}} that borders on {{Unfortunate Implications}} especially regardng gay men.
Some boys will be bullied for the way they look (being fat, wearing glasses, looking dweebish). That could lead him to feel insecure or helpless because he\\\'s picked on for shallow reasons. He could be a target just for the way he looks. Does that make them vain? With Toph I just saw insecurity, not vanity. She can\\\'t be sure what she looks like, and the pressure incited by her encounter only made it worse. She doesn\\\'t want to feel a burden that she can\\\'t even grasp. And, to me, 1) being self-concious or caring about what people think of you =/= vain. Nor does wanting to be pleasing or presentable; it could just mean you want to make a good impression, feel included, or just feel secure in the fact that you\\\'re easy on the eyes. It\\\'s when you make it \\\'\\\'all\\\'\\\' about looks as if it\\\'s the \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' that makes you of worth that leads to vanity.
I just feel that it would at least be wise to evaluate what exactly counts as feminine and what qualifies as vanity.
No, I just don\\\'t think you\\\'re using in the appropriate context.
Believe it or not, men will be preoccupied with their looks as well. Men shave as much as women. Men will wear business suits to make a good impression at work. Men will dress a certain way that may appeal to their sense of style. Some men work out to become muscular (more masculine). It\\\'s just not emphasized in the same way as it is with women. Using your logic, Sokka and Aang are more vain than Toph. Both were shaving in the beginning of that episode so that they would appear in the manner that pleases them. It\\\'s just that men are allowed to be more than their looks. When I think of this [[{{Vanity Is Feminine}} trope]], I think of the \\\'\\\'mentality\\\'\\\' that \\\"feminine\\\" women/men, by default, are more prone to feeding off looks (something considered abitrary and inconsequential in the whole scheme of things) because women are passive creatures of habit. And since {{Men Act Women Are}}, a girl\\\'s worth is measured in how pleasing she is because she can\\\'t actually \\\'\\\'[[{{Women Are Delicate}} work]]\\\'\\\' to deserve anything more. Femininity, therefore vanity, is being equated with shallowness due to lacking any actual worth as an individual. \\\"Prettiness\\\" is the one goal women should strive for instead of being content with who they are. That\\\'s why this trope is considered a {{Double Standard}} that borders on {{Unfortunate Implications}} especially regardng gay men.
Some boys will be bullied for the way they look (being fat, wearing glasses, looking dweebish). That could lead him to feel insecure or helpless because he\\\'s picked on for shallow reasons. He could be a target just for the way he looks. Does that make them vain? With Toph I just saw insecurity, not vanity. She can\\\'t be sure what she looks like, and the pressure incited by her encounter only made it worse. She doesn\\\'t want to feel a burden that she can\\\'t even grasp. And, to me, 1) being self-concious or caring about what people think of you =/= vain. Nor does wanting to be pleasing or presentable; it could just mean you want to make a good impression, feel included, or just feel secure in the fact that you\\\'re easy on the eyes. It\\\'s when you make it \\\'\\\'all\\\'\\\' about looks as if it\\\'s the \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' that makes you of worth that leads to vanity.
I just feel that it would at least be wise to evaluate what exactly counts as feminine and what qualifies as vanity.
