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A possibly infinite number of times where Joe kills his older self, accepts his fate, goes to China, gets caught etc. is the loop. The Rainmaker grows up believing that his mother [[spoiler: (in reality, his aunt)]] was killed because he wasn\'t strong enough and this messes him up. Tragic childhood incident + genius intellect = Rainmaker. When this loop is broken and Old Joe gets free, Young Joe goes to the farm and this eventually ends up with [[spoiler: Cid accepting that Sara is really his mother.]] However, if [[spoiler: Sara]] is killed because the would-be future Rainmaker wasn\'t strong enough, the Rainmaker would still exist because it\'d basically be RubberBandHistory. Old Joe\'s attempt at breaking the rubber band in fact reinforces it. The paradox of Young Joe killing himself to remove the chance of him killing or creating the Rainmaker (past or present) snaps the rubber band. He\'s TheHero and therefore TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou by AnthropicPrinciple, I guess.
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A possibly infinite number of times where Joe kills his older self, accepts his fate, goes to China, gets caught etc. is the loop. The Rainmaker grows up believing that his mother [[spoiler: (in reality, his aunt)]] was killed because he wasn\\\'t strong enough and this messes him up. Tragic childhood incident + genius intellect = Rainmaker. When this loop is broken and Old Joe gets free, Young Joe goes to the farm and this eventually ends up with [[spoiler: Cid accepting that Sara is really his mother.]] However, if [[spoiler: Sara]] is killed because the would-be future Rainmaker wasn\\\'t strong enough, the Rainmaker would still exist because it\\\'d basically be RubberBandHistory. Old Joe\\\'s attempt at breaking the rubber band in fact reinforces it. The paradox of Young Joe killing himself to remove the chance of him killing or creating the Rainmaker (past or present) snaps the rubber band. He\\\'s TheHero and therefore TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou by AnthropicPrinciple, I guess.
EDIT: WordOfGod (according to the interview here http://io9.com/5949973/) says that in relation to how the Rainmaker came to be in the \\\'Old Joe Dies\\\' loop, that \\\"I\\\'d just say take a look at two things: where Sara/Cid\\\'s relationship is at when Joe finds them on the farm, and the positive effect Joe and the events caused by Joe\\\'s presence has on both Cid directly and on that relationship.\\\" Which I\\\'m interpreting to mean that I\\\'m sort-of right. Ish. Partly. In a way.
EDIT: WordOfGod (according to the interview here http://io9.com/5949973/) says that in relation to how the Rainmaker came to be in the \\\'Old Joe Dies\\\' loop, that \\\"I\\\'d just say take a look at two things: where Sara/Cid\\\'s relationship is at when Joe finds them on the farm, and the positive effect Joe and the events caused by Joe\\\'s presence has on both Cid directly and on that relationship.\\\" Which I\\\'m interpreting to mean that I\\\'m sort-of right. Ish. Partly. In a way.
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A possibly infinite number of times where Joe kills his older self, accepts his fate, goes to China, gets caught etc. is the loop. The Rainmaker grows up believing that his mother [[spoiler: (in reality, his aunt)]] was killed because he wasn\'t strong enough and this messes him up. Tragic childhood incident + genius intellect = Rainmaker. When this loop is broken and Old Joe gets free, Young Joe goes to the farm and this eventually ends up with [[spoiler: Cid accepting that Sara is really his mother.]] However, if [[spoiler: Sara]] is killed because the would-be future Rainmaker wasn\'t strong enough, the Rainmaker would still exist because it\'d basically be RubberBandHistory. Old Joe\'s attempt at breaking the rubber band in fact reinforces it.
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A possibly infinite number of times where Joe kills his older self, accepts his fate, goes to China, gets caught etc. is the loop. The Rainmaker grows up believing that his mother [[spoiler: (in reality, his aunt)]] was killed because he wasn\\\'t strong enough and this messes him up. Tragic childhood incident + genius intellect = Rainmaker. When this loop is broken and Old Joe gets free, Young Joe goes to the farm and this eventually ends up with [[spoiler: Cid accepting that Sara is really his mother.]] However, if [[spoiler: Sara]] is killed because the would-be future Rainmaker wasn\\\'t strong enough, the Rainmaker would still exist because it\\\'d basically be RubberBandHistory. Old Joe\\\'s attempt at breaking the rubber band in fact reinforces it. The paradox of Young Joe killing himself to remove the chance of him killing or creating the Rainmaker (past or present) snaps the rubber band. He\\\'s TheHero and therefore TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou by AnthropicPrinciple, I guess.
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A possibly infinite number of times where Joe kills his older self, accepts his fate, goes to China, gets caught etc. is the loop. The Rainmaker grows up believing that his mother [[spoiler: (in reality, his aunt)]] was killed because he wasn\'t strong enough and this messes him up. Tragic childhood incident + genius intellect = Rainmaker. When this loop is broken and Old Joe gets free, Young Joe goes to the farm and this eventually ends up with Cid accepting that Sara is really his mother. However, if Sara is killed because the would-be future Rainmaker wasn\'t strong enough, the Rainmaker would still exist because it\'d basically be RubberBandHistory. Old Joe\'s attempt at breaking the rubber band in fact reinforces it.
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A possibly infinite number of times where Joe kills his older self, accepts his fate, goes to China, gets caught etc. is the loop. The Rainmaker grows up believing that his mother [[spoiler: (in reality, his aunt)]] was killed because he wasn\\\'t strong enough and this messes him up. Tragic childhood incident + genius intellect = Rainmaker. When this loop is broken and Old Joe gets free, Young Joe goes to the farm and this eventually ends up with [[spoiler: Cid accepting that Sara is really his mother.]] However, if [[spoiler: Sara]] is killed because the would-be future Rainmaker wasn\\\'t strong enough, the Rainmaker would still exist because it\\\'d basically be RubberBandHistory. Old Joe\\\'s attempt at breaking the rubber band in fact reinforces it.
