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[004] Iaculus

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Not depicting them as AlwaysChaoticEvil is one thing (though frankly, their ideology and emphasis on loyalty above all did result in a mindset that was both largely uniform and \'\'very\'\' distasteful), but suggesting the whole murderous racist thing was just a VocalMinority spoiling the bunch is a rather grotesque bit of apologism for an indefensible organisation whose values were responsible for the vast majority of the Nazis\' wartime atrocities. In particular, suggesting that senior officers like Muehlenkampf might not be that sympathetic to the SS ideology is outright ridiculous. Whilst things were more relaxed in the SS foreign legions (regarding racial restrictions in particular), those were kept very separate and distinct from the regular Waffen-SS, and you still had to hate Jews and Communists to get in.

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Not depicting them as AlwaysChaoticEvil is one thing (though frankly, their ideology and emphasis on loyalty above all did result in a mindset that was both largely uniform and \\\'\\\'very\\\'\\\' distasteful), but suggesting the whole murderous racist thing was just a VocalMinority spoiling the bunch is a rather grotesque bit of apologism for an indefensible organisation whose values were responsible for the vast majority of the Nazis\\\' wartime atrocities. In particular, suggesting that officers as senior as Muehlenkampf might not be that sympathetic to the SS ideology or might never have been associated with war crimes is outright ridiculous. Whilst things were more relaxed in the SS foreign legions (regarding racial restrictions in particular), those were kept very separate and distinct from the regular Waffen-SS, and you still had to hate Jews and Communists to get in.

[003] Iaculus

31st Oct '12 at 03:20:50 PM

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Not depicting them as AlwaysChaoticEvil is one thing (though frankly, their ideology and emphasis on loyalty above all did result in a mindset that was both largely uniform and \'\'very\'\' distasteful), but suggesting the whole murderous racist thing was just a VocalMinority spoiling the bunch is a rather grotesque bit of apologism for an indefensible organisation whose values were responsible for the vast majority of the Nazis\' wartime atrocities. In particular, suggesting that senior officers like Muehlenkampf might not be that sympathetic to the SS ideology is outright ridiculous. Seriously, read [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology_of_the_SS this article]], for a start.

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Not depicting them as AlwaysChaoticEvil is one thing (though frankly, their ideology and emphasis on loyalty above all did result in a mindset that was both largely uniform and \\\'\\\'very\\\'\\\' distasteful), but suggesting the whole murderous racist thing was just a VocalMinority spoiling the bunch is a rather grotesque bit of apologism for an indefensible organisation whose values were responsible for the vast majority of the Nazis\\\' wartime atrocities. In particular, suggesting that senior officers like Muehlenkampf might not be that sympathetic to the SS ideology is outright ridiculous. Whilst things were more relaxed in the SS foreign legions (regarding racial restrictions in particular), those were kept very separate and distinct from the regular Waffen-SS, and you still had to hate Jews and Communists to get in.

Seriously, read [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology_of_the_SS this article]], for a start.

[002] Iaculus

31st Oct '12 at 03:16:37 PM

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Not depicting them as AlwaysChaoticEvil is one thing (though frankly, their ideology and emphasis on loyalty above all did result in a mindset that was both largely uniform and \'\'very\'\' distasteful), but suggesting the whole murderous racist thing was just a VocalMinority spoiling the bunch is a rather grotesque bit of apologism for an indefensible organisation whose values were responsible for the vast majority of the Nazis\' wartime atrocities. Seriously, read [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology_of_the_SS this article]], for a start.

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Not depicting them as AlwaysChaoticEvil is one thing (though frankly, their ideology and emphasis on loyalty above all did result in a mindset that was both largely uniform and \\\'\\\'very\\\'\\\' distasteful), but suggesting the whole murderous racist thing was just a VocalMinority spoiling the bunch is a rather grotesque bit of apologism for an indefensible organisation whose values were responsible for the vast majority of the Nazis\\\' wartime atrocities. In particular, suggesting that senior officers like Muehlenkampf might not be that sympathetic to the SS ideology is outright ridiculous. Seriously, read [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology_of_the_SS this article]], for a start.

[001] Iaculus

31st Oct '12 at 03:05:32 PM

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The thing is that \'\'the SS were specifically selected for their willingness to engage in atrocities for the Nazi Party\'\'. Again, their chief distinguishing feature from the Wehrmacht was that they were political soldiers picked for loyalty to the Nazi Party and its ideals - if you weren\'t \'ve iz ze master race\', you would neither apply for the SS nor be picked for it.

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The thing is that \\\'\\\'the SS were specifically selected for their willingness to engage in atrocities for the Nazi Party\\\'\\\'. Again, their chief distinguishing feature from the Wehrmacht was that they were political soldiers picked for loyalty to the Nazi Party and its ideals - if you weren\\\'t \\\'ve iz ze master race\\\', you would neither apply for the SS nor be picked for it... and if you were, it is extremely unlikely that you would feel that way by the end of your training.

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