Discussion History Franchise / Pokemon

\\\"Legitimate examples\\\"? Lets see what you linked to:

Stuck Items

They Just Didn\\\'t Care

So Bad It\\\'s Horrible


For the first one, \\\'\\\'\\\'please use specific examples.\\\'\\\'\\\' The only thing I can think of that glitches is the Ring of the Vipereye. And the benefits far outweigh the glitches; it would be \\\'\\\'horrible\\\'\\\' if you could drop the ring you get near the beginning of KotN.

I noticed you used this as an example on the other page:
\\\'\\\'and at least once (Molag Bal\\\'s quest) an item that needs to be dropped to complete a quest may get flaged as undroppable.\\\'\\\'

I checked UESP, and here\\\'s what I got:

\\\'\\\'It\\\'s possible the cursed mace will be flagged as a quest item. This prevents you from dropping it to complete the quest. This can be fixed by entering setquestobject 26F98 0 into the console.\\\'\\\'

It\\\'s random whether or not this happens, and it\\\'s not fixed by the UOP.


For the second one, again, the ONLY NPCs who do that are the beggars, and you can\\\'t use that as a strawman against every other line in the game.


For the third one, you said: \\\'\\\'The quality of the game its self is debated, but the voice acting has firm evidence Bethesda didn\\\'t care at all about its quality,\\\'\\\'

The way you phrased the sentence makes it look like you\\\'re using a strawman against the entire game. Taken from the trope itself:

\\\'\\\'Popular series are by their very nature excluded from this trope, see Hype Backlash instead.\\\'\\\'

You used the wrong trope, the one you\\\'re looking for is {{TalkingToHimself}}.

Taken from the page:

\\\'\\\'An unfortunate side effect of Bethesda\\\'s decision to have the game be fully voiced, while hiring only a handful of actors to voice over 1000 characters. It\\\'s quite possible you\\\'ll be hearing two NP Cs conversing to each other with the exact same voice!\\\'\\\'

The example is already listed!

So \\\"Stuck items\\\" is a legitimate example, while the other two are not.

\\\"Legitimate examples\\\"? Lets see what you linked to:

Stuck Items

They Just Didn\\\'t Care

So Bad It\\\'s Horrible


For the first one, \\\'\\\'\\\'please use specific examples.\\\'\\\'\\\' The only thing I can think of that glitches is the Ring of the Vipereye. And the benefits far outweigh the glitches; it would be \\\'\\\'horrible\\\'\\\' if you could drop the ring you get near the beginning of KotN.

I noticed you used this as an example on the other page:
\\\'\\\'and at least once (Molag Bal\\\'s quest) an item that needs to be dropped to complete a quest may get flaged as undroppable.\\\'\\\'

I checked UESP, and here\\\'s what I got:

\\\'\\\'It\\\'s possible the cursed mace will be flagged as a quest item. This prevents you from dropping it to complete the quest. This can be fixed by entering setquestobject 26F98 0 into the console.\\\'\\\'

It\\\'s random whether or not this happens, and it\\\'s not fixed by the UOP.


For the second one, again, the ONLY NPCs who do that are the beggars, and you can\\\'t use that as a strawman against every other line in the game.


For the third one, you said: \\\'\\\'The quality of the game its self is debated, but the voice acting has firm evidence Bethesda didn\\\'t care at all about its quality,\\\'\\\'

The way you phrased the sentence makes it look like you\\\'re using a strawman against the entire game. Taken from the trope itself:

\\\'\\\'Popular series are by their very nature excluded from this trope, see Hype Backlash instead.\\\'\\\'

You used the wrong trope, the one you\\\'re looking for is {{TalkingToHimself}}.

Taken from the page:

\\\'\\\'An unfortunate side effect of Bethesda\\\'s decision to have the game be fully voiced, while hiring only a handful of actors to voice over 1000 characters. It\\\'s quite possible you\\\'ll be hearing two NP Cs conversing to each other with the exact same voice!\\\'\\\'

The example is already listed!

So \\\"Stuck items\\\" is a legitimate example, while the other two are not.


Let\\\'s leave the page alone until we both come to a consensus.
We don\\\'t want an edit war.

\\\"Legitimate examples\\\"? Lets see what you linked to:

Stuck Items

They Just Didn\\\'t Care

So Bad It\\\'s Horrible


For the first one, \\\'\\\'\\\'please use specific examples.\\\'\\\'\\\' The only thing I can think of that glitches is the Ring of the Vipereye. And the benefits far outweigh the glitches; it would be \\\'\\\'horrible\\\'\\\' if you could drop the ring you get near the beginning of KotN.

I noticed you used this as an example on the other page:
\\\'\\\'and at least once (Molag Bal\\\'s quest) an item that needs to be dropped to complete a quest may get flaged as undroppable.\\\'\\\'

I checked UESP, and here\\\'s what I got:

\\\'\\\'It\\\'s possible the cursed mace will be flagged as a quest item. This prevents you from dropping it to complete the quest. This can be fixed by entering setquestobject 26F98 0 into the console.\\\'\\\'

It\\\'s random whether or not this happens, and it\\\'s not fixed by the UOP.


For the second one, again, the ONLY NPCs who do that are the beggars, and you can\\\'t use that as a strawman against every other line in the game.


For the third one, you said: \\\'\\\'The quality of the game its self is debated, but the voice acting has firm evidence Bethesda didn\\\'t care at all about its quality,\\\'\\\'

The way you phrased the sentence makes it look like you\\\'re using a strawman against the entire game. Taken from the trope itself:

\\\'\\\'Popular series are by their very nature excluded from this trope, see Hype Backlash instead.\\\'\\\'

You used the wrong trope, the one you\\\'re looking for is {{TalkingToHimself}}.

Taken from the page:

\\\'\\\'An unfortunate side effect of Bethesda\\\'s decision to have the game be fully voiced, while hiring only a handful of actors to voice over 1000 characters. It\\\'s quite possible you\\\'ll be hearing two NP Cs conversing to each other with the exact same voice!\\\'\\\'

The example is already listed!

So \\\"Stuck items\\\" is a legitimate example, while the other two are not.


Lets leave the page alone until we both come to a consensus.
We don\\\'t want an edit war.

\\\"Legitimate examples\\\"? Lets see what you linked to:

Stuck Items

They Just Didn\\\'t Care

So Bad It\\\'s Horrible


For the first one, \\\'\\\'\\\'please use specific examples.\\\'\\\'\\\' The only thing I can think of that glitches is the Ring of the Vipereye. And the benefits far outweigh the glitches; it would be \\\'\\\'horrible\\\'\\\' if you could drop the ring you get near the beginning of KotN.

I noticed you used this as an example on the other page:
\\\'\\\'and at least once (Molag Bal\\\'s quest) an item that needs to be dropped to complete a quest may get flaged as undroppable.\\\'\\\'

I checked UESP, and here\\\'s what I got:

\\\'\\\'It\\\'s possible the cursed mace will be flagged as a quest item. This prevents you from dropping it to complete the quest. This can be fixed by entering setquestobject 26F98 0 into the console.\\\'\\\'

It\\\'s random whether or not this happens, and it\\\'s not fixed by the UOP.


For the second one, again, the ONLY NPCs who do that are the beggars, and you can\\\'t use that as a strawman against every other line in the game.


For the third one, you said: \\\'\\\'The quality of the game its self is debated, but the voice acting has firm evidence Bethesda didn\\\'t care at all about its quality,\\\'\\\'

The way you phrased the sentence makes it look like you\\\'re using a strawman against the entire game. Taken from the trope itself:

\\\'\\\'Popular series are by their very nature excluded from this trope, see Hype Backlash instead.\\\'\\\'

You used the wrong trope, the one you\\\'re looking for is {{TalkingToHimself}}.

Taken from the page:

\\\'\\\'An unfortunate side effect of Bethesda\\\'s decision to have the game be fully voiced, while hiring only a handful of actors to voice over 1000 characters. It\\\'s quite possible you\\\'ll be hearing two NP Cs conversing to each other with the exact same voice!\\\'\\\'

The example is already listed!

So \\\"Stuck items\\\" is a legitimate example, while the other two are not.

\\\"Legitimate examples\\\"? Lets see what you linked to:

Stuck Items
They Just Didn\\\'t Care
So Bad It\\\'s Horrible


For the first one, \\\'\\\'\\\'please use specific examples.\\\'\\\'\\\' The only thing I can think of that glitches is the Ring of the Vipereye. And the benefits far outweigh the glitches; it would be \\\'\\\'horrible\\\'\\\' if you could drop the ring you get near the beginning of KotN.

I noticed you used this as an example on the other page:
\\\'\\\'and at least once (Molag Bal\\\'s quest) an item that needs to be dropped to complete a quest may get flaged as undroppable.\\\'\\\'

I checked UESP, and here\\\'s what I got:

\\\'\\\'It\\\'s possible the cursed mace will be flagged as a quest item. This prevents you from dropping it to complete the quest. This can be fixed by entering setquestobject 26F98 0 into the console.\\\'\\\'

It\\\'s random whether or not this happens, and it\\\'s not fixed by the UOP.


For the second one, again, the ONLY NPCs who do that are the beggars, and you can\\\'t use that as a strawman against every other line in the game.


For the third one, you said: \\\'\\\'The quality of the game its self is debated, but the voice acting has firm evidence Bethesda didn\\\'t care at all about its quality,\\\'\\\'

The way you phrased the sentence makes it look like you\\\'re using a strawman against the entire game. Taken from the trope itself:

\\\'\\\'Popular series are by their very nature excluded from this trope, see Hype Backlash instead.\\\'\\\'

You used the wrong trope, the one you\\\'re looking for is {{TalkingToHimself}}.

Taken from the page:

\\\'\\\'An unfortunate side effect of Bethesda\\\'s decision to have the game be fully voiced, while hiring only a handful of actors to voice over 1000 characters. It\\\'s quite possible you\\\'ll be hearing two NP Cs conversing to each other with the exact same voice!\\\'\\\'

The example is already listed!

So \\\"Stuck items\\\" is a legitimate example, while the other two are not.

\\\"Legitimate examples\\\"? Lets see what you linked to:

Stuck Items
They Just Didn\\\'t Care
So Bad It\\\'s Horrible


For the first one, \\\'\\\'\\\'please use specific examples.\\\'\\\'\\\' The only thing I can think of that glitches is the Ring of the Vipereye. And the benefits far outweigh the glitches; it would be \\\'\\\'horrible\\\'\\\' if you could drop the ring you get near the beginning of KotN.

I noticed you used this as an example on the other page:
\\\'\\\'and at least once (Molag Bal\\\'s quest) an item that needs to be dropped to complete a quest may get flaged as undroppable.\\\'\\\'

I checked UESP, and here\\\'s what I got:

\\\'\\\'It\\\'s possible the cursed mace will be flagged as a quest item. This prevents you from dropping it to complete the quest. This can be fixed by entering setquestobject 26F98 0 into the console.\\\'\\\'

It\\\'s random whether or not this happens, and it\\\'s not fixed by the UOP.

For the second one, again, the ONLY NPCs who do that are the beggars, and you can\\\'t use that as a strawman against every other line in the game.

For the third one, you said: \\\'\\\'The quality of the game its self is debated, but the voice acting has firm evidence Bethesda didn\\\'t care at all about its quality,\\\'\\\'

The way you phrased the sentence makes it look like you\\\'re using a strawman against the entire game. Taken from the trope itself:

\\\'\\\'Popular series are by their very nature excluded from this trope, see Hype Backlash instead.\\\'\\\'

You used the wrong trope, the one you\\\'re looking for is {{TalkingToHimself}}.

Taken from the page:

\\\'\\\'An unfortunate side effect of Bethesda\\\'s decision to have the game be fully voiced, while hiring only a handful of actors to voice over 1000 characters. It\\\'s quite possible you\\\'ll be hearing two NP Cs conversing to each other with the exact same voice!\\\'\\\'

The example is already listed!

So \\\"Stuck items\\\" is a legitimate example, while the other two are not.

Where exactly has this been confirmed? I\\\'ve searched all the relevant pages on places like Serebii and Bulbapedia to confirm this for myself, and absolutely none of them say anything about it being replaced. [If it counts for anything, the cave in Tojo Falls where you encounter Giovanni in said event is still present in the English version, as is Elm talking about the Spiky-Eared Pichu being friends with Celebi or something like that when you take her to him.] This strikes me as odd either way; the Celebi event reveals a rather important bit of backstory about Silver and Giovanni, and Nintendo/Game Freak just randomly replacing it in this day and age, especially when they\\\'ve been pretty good about the other event Pokemon the past couple of years, seems kind of absurd. [Though they DID replace the slots with Voltorb Flip in all non-Japanese versions, so I guess it can\\\'t be ruled out entirely.]

Where exactly has this been confirmed? I\\\'ve searched all the relevant pages on places like Serebii and Bulbapedia to confirm this for myself, and absolutely none of them say anything about it being replaced. [If it counts for anything, the cave in Tojo Falls where you encounter Giovanni in said event is still present in the English version, as is Elm talking about the Spiky-Eared Pichu being friends with Celebi or something like that when you take her to him.] This strikes me as odd either way; the Celebi event reveals a rather important bit of backstory about Silver and Giovanni, and Nintendo just randomly replacing it in this day and age, especially when they\\\'ve been pretty good about the other event Pokemon the past couple of years, seems kind of absurd. [Though they DID replace the slots with Voltorb Flip in all non-Japanese versions, so I guess it can\\\'t be ruled out entirely.]

Where exactly has this been confirmed? I\\\'ve searched all the relevant pages on places like Serebii and Bulbapedia to confirm this for myself, and absolutely none of them say anything about it being replaced. [If it counts for anything, the cave in Tojo Falls where you encounter Giovanni in said event is still present in the English version, as is Elm talking about the Spiky-Eared Pichu being friends with Celebi or something like that when you take her to him.] This strikes me as odd either way; the Celebi event reveals a rather important bit of backstory about Silver and Giovanni, and Nintendo just randomly replacing it in this day and age, especially when they\\\'ve been pretty good about the other event Pokemon the past couple of years, seems kind of absurd.

Where exactly has this been confirmed? I\\\'ve searched all the relevant pages on places like Serebii and Bulbapedia to confirm this for myself, and absolutely none of them say anything about it being replaced. [If it counts for anything, the cave in Tojo Falls where you encounter Giovanni in said event is still present in the English version, as is Elm talking about the Spiky-Eared Pichu being friends with Celebi or something like that when you take her to him.] I know we don\\\'t have to cite our sources, but this is sort of major; the Celebi event reveals a rather important bit of backstory about Silver and Giovanni, and Nintendo just randomly replacing it in this day and age, especially when they\\\'ve been pretty good about the other event Pokemon the past couple of years, seems kind of absurd.

I have a question about this, listed under TheScrappy entry, which concerns the Spiky/Notch-Eared Pichu:

I have a question about this, listed under TheScrappy entry:

Where exactly has this been confirmed? I\\\'ve searched all the relevant pages on places like Serebii and Bulbapedia to confirm this for myself, and absolutely none of them say anything about it being replaced. [If it counts for anything, the cave in Tojo Falls where you encounter Giovanni in said event is still present in the English version, as is Elm saying talking about the Spiky-Eared Pichu being friends with Celebi or something like that when you take her to him.] I know we don\\\'t have to cite our sources, but this is sort of major; the Celebi event reveals a rather important bit of backstory about Silver and Giovanni, and Nintendo just randomly replacing it in this day and age, especially when they\\\'ve been pretty good about the other event Pokemon the past couple of years, seems kind of absurd.

Where exactly has this been confirmed? I\\\'ve searched all the relevant pages on places like Serebii and Bulbapedia to confirm this for myself, and absolutely none of them say anything about it being replaced. [If it counts for anything, the cave in Tojo Falls where you encounter Giovanni in said event is still present in the English version, as is Elm saying talking about the Spiky-Eared Pichu being friends with Celebi or something like that when you take her to him.] I know we don\\\'t have to cite our sources, but this is sort of major; since the Celebi event reveals a rather important bit of backstory about Silver and Giovanni, and Nintendo just randomly replacing it in this day and age, especially when they\\\'ve been pretty good about the other event Pokemon the past couple of years, seems kind of absurd.

Where exactly has this been confirmed? I\\\'ve searched all the relevant pages on places like Serebii and Bulbapedia to confirm this for myself, and absolutely none of them say anything about it being replaced. [If it counts for anything, the cave in Tojo Falls where you encounter Giovanni in said event is still present in the English version, as is Elm saying talking about the Spiky-Eared Pichu being friends with Celebi or something like that when you take her to him.] I know we don\\\'t have to cite our sources, but this is sort of major, since the Celebi event reveals a rather important bit of backstory about Silver and Giovanni, and Nintendo just randomly replacing it in this day and age, especially when they\\\'ve been pretty good about the other event Pokemon the past couple of years, seems kind of absurd.

Where exactly has this been confirmed? I\\\'ve searched all the relevant pages on places like Serebii and Bulbapedia to confirm this for myself, and absolutely none of them say anything about it being replaced. [If it counts for anything, the cave in Tojo Falls where you encounter Giovanni in said event is still present in the English version, as is Elm saying something about the Spiky-Eared Pichu being friends with Celebi or something like that when you take her to him.] I know we don\\\'t have to cite our sources, but this is sort of major, since the Celebi event reveals a rather important bit of backstory about Silver and Giovanni, and Nintendo just randomly replacing it in this day and age, especially when they\\\'ve been pretty good about the other event Pokemon the past couple of years, seems kind of absurd.

* It doesn\\\'t help that the in-game event to get said Pichu (which also requires ANOTHER special Pichu to activate) \\\'\\\'actually replaces the Ilex Forest event for getting Celebi.\\\'\\\'

* It doesn\\\'t help that the in-game event to get said Pichu (which also requires ANOTHER special Pichu to activate) actually replaces the Ilex Forest event for getting Celebi.