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[[TrevMUN Trev-MUN]]: This might be better suited to WMG, but since it affects trope articles written here and elsewhere on the site, I felt it\'s more important to talk about here.

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[[TrevMUN Trev-MUN]]: This might be better suited to JustBugsMe, but since it affects trope examples written here and elsewhere on the site, I felt it\\\'s more important to talk about here.

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I\'ve been bugged by the repeated claim that \'\'all\'\' of Gensokyo--and every youkai inside--runs on ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve. As far as I can tell, the only real things supporting this line of thought are Kanako\'s motivations for moving to Gensokyo in Mountain of Faith, Rinnosuke\'s theory that Gensokyo runs on disbelief, and statements made by Akyuu in her monologue in Perfect Memento.

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I\\\'ve been bugged by the repeated claim that every youkai\\\'s existence hinges on ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve, and that Gensokyo is a last-resort refuge for creatures dying of disbelief. As far as I can tell, the only real things supporting this line of thought are Kanako\\\'s motivations for moving to Gensokyo in Mountain of Faith, Rinnosuke\\\'s theory that Gensokyo runs on disbelief, and statements made by Akyuu in her monologue in Perfect Memento.

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However, Akyuu is known to be something of an UnreliableNarrator who does a lot of open speculation. Rinnosuke\'s theory could very well be WildMassGuessing on his part, because electronics like computers and video game consoles (including those that were top of the line when they wound up in Gensokyo) and modern people cross Gensokyo\'s border with some modicum of frequency--which, if Gensokyo \'\'\'truly\'\'\' ran on the powers of disbelief, shouldn\'t be possible. Kanako herself said that those who are part of the \

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However, Akyuu is known to be something of an UnreliableNarrator who does a lot of open speculation. Rinnosuke\\\'s theory could very well be WildMassGuessing on his part, because electronics like computers and video game consoles (including those that were top of the line when they wound up in Gensokyo) and modern people cross Gensokyo\\\'s border with some modicum of frequency--which, if Gensokyo \\\'\\\'truly\\\'\\\' ran on the powers of disbelief, shouldn\\\'t be possible. Kanako herself said that those who are part of the \\\"myriad of gods\\\" such as herself are powered by faith, but as far as I can tell I\\\'ve never seen her claim that they will \\\'\\\'cease to exist\\\'\\\' if no one believes in them; just that they won\\\'t be able to \\\'\\\'perform miracles\\\'\\\'.

Then there\\\'s the whole \\\"lunar race\\\" aspect, or--better yet actually--the characters in both PC-98 and the Windows series that were obviously human scientists of some time--or at least students in a field of science. I would expect that, if youkai really could not survive when exposed to a skeptical, scientific world, these kinds of incursions would be devastating to the populace.

From reading the various Touhou stuff, it seems more to me that Gensokyo is an attempt by ZUN to \\\"plausibly\\\" explain \\\'\\\'why\\\'\\\' [[TheMagicGoesAway the magic went away]] in RealLife, rather than being created \\\'\\\'because\\\'\\\' the magic went away. Yet a lot of fans seem to take it the latter way rather than the former.

Maybe the concept of youkai existing only due to belief--and Gensokyo being powered by disbelief--is appealing to fans because it\\\'s a kind of some kind of WishFulfillment? The idea that even the most absurdly-powerful youkai of Gensokyo could vanish in a PuffOfLogic if a skeptic like James Randi [[ImNotAfraidOfYou so much as looked in their direction]]. The idea that humans are the ones who are \\\'\\\'really\\\'\\\' more powerful than youkai.

Or maybe it\\\'s influence from [[MageTheAscension Mage: The Ascension]] and {{Shadowrun}}. I don\\\'t know.

Maybe I\\\'ve yet to see something lay down the law that most fans know about. If anyone can provide more convincing evidence that, in Touhou, anyone who lives in Gensokyo would vanish if exposed to the outside world, I wanna hear about it. Otherwise, I really think certain examples on this article and elsewhere need to be reworded.

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