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I\\\'ll tell you why \\\"only those should kill who are prepared to be killed\\\" (henceforth referred to as Lelouch\\\'s doctrine) isn\\\'t an aesop: Because it doesn\\\'t act like an aesop. It demonstrates only that Lelouch is an {{Ubermensch}} [[spoiler:and that he will die in the end]]:\\\\\\\\
People are not \\\"punished\\\" for not having made their peace with death when they lie dying in their blood - it\\\'s a little late for that.\\\\\\\\
People are \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' punished for killing others, they are punished for being too weak or unlucky, much like in real war. [[spoiler:Cornelia certainly isn\\\'t the only KarmaHoudini here - Kallen springs to mind as just one of many sympathetic mass murderers in this show. And don\\\'t tell me they are \\\"punished with the grief of losing a loved one\\\": You can\\\'t punish someone guilty by hurting someone innocent that they happen to care about, not even as a writer.]] I hope I won\\\'t have to explain why.\\\\\\\\
People are \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' rewarded for not killing others, [[spoiler:just ask Shirley.]]\\\\\\\\
Are people punished for not realising the consequences of killing others (as Gamer2002 suggested Lelouch\\\'s doctrine was about)? None of the main cast are stupid enough to think it\\\'s perfectly okay to kill even for a good cause. [[spoiler:Kallen and Lelouch can hardly be faulted for feeling terrible with having killed the father of someone close to them, and yet they still both decide to fight on and kill more fathers.]]\\\\\\\\
Q.E.D.

I\\\'ll tell you why \\\"only those should kill who are prepared to be killed\\\" (henceforth referred to as Lelouch\\\'s doctrine) isn\\\'t an aesop: Because it doesn\\\'t act like an aesop. It demonstrates only that Lelouch is an {{Ubermench}} [[spoiler:and that he will die in the end]]:\\\\\\\\
People are not \\\"punished\\\" for not having made their peace with death when they lie dying in their blood - it\\\'s a little late for that.\\\\\\\\
People are \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' punished for killing others, they are punished for being too weak or unlucky, much like in real war. [[spoiler:Cornelia certainly isn\\\'t the only KarmaHoudini here - Kallen springs to mind as just one of many sympathetic mass murderers in this show. And don\\\'t tell me they are \\\"punished with the grief of losing a loved one\\\": You can\\\'t punish someone guilty by hurting someone innocent that they happen to care about, not even as a writer.]] I hope I won\\\'t have to explain why.\\\\\\\\
People are \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' rewarded for not killing others, [[spoiler:just ask Shirley.]]\\\\\\\\
Are people punished for not realising the consequences of killing others (as Gamer2002 suggested Lelouch\\\'s doctrine was about)? None of the main cast are stupid enough to think it\\\'s perfectly okay to kill even for a good cause. [[spoiler:Kallen and Lelouch can hardly be faulted for feeling terrible with having killed the father of someone close to them, and yet they still both decide to fight on and kill more fathers.]]\\\\\\\\
Q.E.D.

I\\\'ll tell you why \\\"only those should kill who are prepared to be killed\\\" (henceforth referred to as Lelouch\\\'s doctrine) isn\\\'t an aesop: Because it doesn\\\'t act like an aesop. It demonstrates only that Lelouch is an {{Ubermench}} [[spoiler:and that he will die in the end]]:\\\\\\\\
People are not \\\"punished\\\" for not having made their peace with death when they lie dying in their blood - it\\\'s a little late for that.\\\\\\\\
People are \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' punished for killing others, they are punished for being too weak or unlucky, much like in real war. [[spoiler:Cornelia certainly isn\\\'t the only KarmaHoudini here - Kallen springs to mind as just one of many sympathetic mass murderers in this show. And don\\\'t tell me they are \\\"punished with the grief of losing a loved one\\\": You can\\\'t punish someone guilty by hurting someone innocent that they happen to care about, not even as a writer.]] I hope I won\\\'t have to explain why.\\\\\\\\
People are \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' rewarded for not killing others, [[spoiler:just ask Shirley.]]\\\\\\\\
Are people punished for not realising the consequences of killing others (as Gamer2002 suggested Lelouch\\\'s doctrine was about)? None of the main cast are stupid enough to think it\\\'s perfectly okay to kill even for a good cause. [[spoiler:Kallen and Lelouch can hardly be faulted for feeling terrible with having killed the father of someone close to them, and yet they still both decide to fight on and kill more fathers.]]\\\\\\\\
QED.

I\\\'ll tell you why \\\"only those should kill who are prepared to be killed\\\" (henceforth referred to as Lelouch\\\'s doctrine) isn\\\'t an aesop: Because it doesn\\\'t act like an aesop. It demonstrates only that Lelouch is an {{Ubermench}} [[spoiler:and that he will die in the end]]:\\\\\\\\
People are not \\\"punished\\\" for not having made their peace with death when they lie dying in their blood - it\\\'s a little late for that.\\\\\\\\
People are \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' punished for killing others, they are punished for being too weak or unlucky, much like in real war. [[spoiler:Cornelia certainly isn\\\'t the only KarmaHoudini here - Kallen springs to mind as just one of many sympathetic mass murderers in this show. And don\\\'t tell me they are \\\"punished with the grief of losing a loved one\\\": You can\\\'t punish someone guilty by hurting someone innocent that they happen to care about, not even as a writer.]] I hope I won\\\'t have to explain why.\\\\\\\\
People are \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' rewarded for not killing others, [[spoiler:just ask Shirley.]]\\\\\\\\
Are people punished for not realising the consequences of killing others (as Gamer2002 suggested Lelouch\\\'s doctrine was about)? None of the main cast are stupid enough to think it\\\'s perfectly okay to kill even for a good cause. [[spoiler:Kallen and Lelouch can hardly be faulted for feeling terrible with having killed the father of someone close to them, and yet they still both decide to fight on and kill more fathers.]]\\\\\\\\
QED

That\\\'s KarmaHoudini. No aesop here, just Lelouch\\\'s code of honor. Since when did the anti-heroes/protagonist villains deliver aesops? [[WellIntentionedExtremist Well Intentioned]] however he may be, the show\\\'s creators have made it clear that \\\'\\\'they\\\'\\\' certainly don\\\'t consider Lelouch someone we should take lessons in ethics from.\\\\\\\\
Is that an Ad hominem argument? I don\\\'t know.\\\\\\\\
I\\\'ll tell you why \\\"only those should kill who are prepared to be killed\\\" (henceforth referred to as Lelouch\\\'s doctrine) isn\\\'t an aesop: Because it doesn\\\'t act like an aesop. It demonstrates only that Lelouch is an {{Ubermench}} [[spoiler:and that he will die in the end]]:\\\\\\\\
People are not \\\"punished\\\" for not having made their peace with death when they lie dying in their blood - it\\\'s a little late for that.\\\\\\\\
People are \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' punished for killing others, they are punished for being too weak or unlucky, much like in real war. [[spoiler:Cornelia certainly isn\\\'t the only KarmaHoudini here - Kallen springs to mind as just one of many sympathetic mass murderers in this show. And don\\\'t tell me they are \\\"punished with the grief of losing a loved one\\\": You can\\\'t punish someone guilty by hurting someone innocent that they happen to care about, not even as a writer.]] I hope I won\\\'t have to explain why.\\\\\\\\
People are \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' rewarded for not killing others, [[spoiler:just ask Shirley.]]\\\\\\\\
Are people punished for not realising the consequences of killing others (as Gamer2002 suggested Lelouch\\\'s doctrine was about)? None of the main cast are stupid enough to think it\\\'s perfectly okay to kill even for a good cause. [[spoiler:Kallen and Lelouch can hardly be faulted for feeling terrible with having killed the father of someone close to them, and yet they still both decide to fight on and kill more fathers.]]

That\\\'s KarmaHoudini. No aesop here, just Lelouch\\\'s code of honor. Since when did the anti-heroes/protagonist villains deliver aesops? [[WellIntentionedExtremist Well Intentioned]] however he may be, the show\\\'s creators have made it clear that \\\'\\\'they\\\'\\\' certainly don\\\'t consider Lelouch someone we should take lessons in ethics from.