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Oogie threatens to cook and eat Santa. No torture. \
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Oogie threatens to cook and eat Santa. No torture. \\\"Worse than the others\\\"? Ok, a bit. Horrendous? No. Also note that he doesn\\\'t \\\'\\\'do it\\\'\\\', so he could have been threatening sexual assault, it doesn\\\'t matter.

2. The character\\\'s horribleness is played straight at all times. Evokes fear, revulsion, and hatred.

No. He is obviously silly. He has a song and dance number. \\\"Fear\\\", \\\"revulsion\\\", and \\\"hatred\\\" are pretty strong words. The other residents dislike and mistrust him.

3. No Freudian excuse.

Okay.

4. No remorse.

Okay.

5. No chance of redemption.

Nonsense! The movie could have easily ended without killing Oogie (in a deleted scene/alternate ending, this is even true), and he could believably pull a HeelFaceTurn. Actually, he sort of appears to when Jack shows up, but it turned out not: \\\"Jack, I thought you were dead! You must be \\\'\\\'double dead\\\'\\\'.\\\"

...a complete monster is supposed to fulfill all five. Oogie fails over half. He didn\\\'t go anywhere near any moral event horizons. Being a bit evil, or even a lot evil, is not enough; a complete monster is an epitome of evil.
Changed line(s) 5 from:
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Oogie threatens to cook and eat Santa. No torture. \
to:
Oogie threatens to cook and eat Santa. No torture. \\\"Worse than the others\\\"? Ok, a bit. Horrendous? No. Also note that he doesn\\\'t \\\'\\\'do it\\\'\\\', so he could have been threatening sexual assault, it doesn\\\'t matter.

2. The character\\\'s horribleness is played straight at all times. Evokes fear, revulsion, and hatred.

No. He is obviously silly. He has a song and dance number. \\\"Fear\\\", \\\"revulsion\\\", and \\\"hatred\\\" are pretty strong words. The other residents dislike and mistrust him.

3. No Freudian excuse.

Okay.

4. No remorse.

Okay.

5. No chance of redemption.

Nonsense! The movie could have easily ended without killing Oogie (in a deleted scene/alternate ending, this is even true), and he could believably pull a HeelFaceTurn. Actually, he sort of appears to when Jack shows up, but it turned out not (HeelFaceDoorSlam): \\\"Jack, I thought you were dead! You must be \\\'\\\'double dead\\\'\\\'.\\\"

...a complete monster is supposed to fulfill all five. Oogie fails over half. He didn\\\'t go anywhere near any moral event horizons. Being a bit evil, or even a lot evil, is not enough; a complete monster is an epitome of evil.
Changed line(s) 5 from:
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Oogie threatens to cook and eat Santa. No torture. \
to:
Oogie threatens to cook and eat Santa. No torture. \\\"Worse than the others\\\"? Ok, a bit. Horrendous? No. Also note that he doesn\\\'t \\\'\\\'do it\\\'\\\', so he could have been threatening sexual assault, it doesn\\\'t matter.

2. The character\\\'s horribleness is played straight at all times. Evokes fear, revulsion, and hatred.

No. He is obviously silly. He has a song and dance number. \\\"Fear\\\", \\\"revulsion\\\", and \\\"hatred\\\" are pretty strong words. The other residents dislike and mistrust him.

3. No Freudian excuse.

Okay.

4. No remorse.

Okay.

5. No chance of redemption.

Nonsense! The movie could have easily ended without killing Oogie (in a deleted scene/alternate ending, this is even true), and he could believably pull a HeelFaceTurn. Actually, he sort of appears to when Jack shows up, but it turned out not: \\\"Jack, I thought you were dead! You must be \\\'\\\'double dead\\\'\\\'.\\\"

...a complete monster is supposed to fulfill all five. Oogie fails over half. He didn\\\'t go anywhere near any moral event horizons. Being a bit evil, or even a lot evil, is not enough; a complete monster is an epitome of evil.
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Oogie Boogie is not a complete monster. He is different: the other Halloween Town residents are DarkIsNotEvil, Oogie is actually evil.
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Oogie Boogie is not a complete monster. He is different than the other Halloween Town residents, who are DarkIsNotEvil, whereas Oogie is actually evil.
Changed line(s) 5 from:
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Oogie threatens to cook and eat Santa. No torture. \
to:
Oogie threatens to cook and eat Santa. No torture. \\\"Worse than the others\\\"? Ok, a bit. Horrendous? No.

2. The character\\\'s horribleness is played straight at all times. Evokes fear, revulsion, and hatred.

No. He is obviously silly. He has a song and dance number. \\\"Fear\\\", \\\"revulsion\\\", and \\\"hatred\\\" are pretty strong words. The other residents dislike and mistrust him.

3. No Freudian excuse.

Okay.

4. No remorse.

Okay.

5. No chance of redemption.

Nonsense! The movie could have easily ended without killing Oogie (in a deleted scene/alternate ending, this is even true), and he could believably pull a HeelFaceTurn. Actually, he sort of appears to when Jack shows up, but it turned out not: \\\"Jack, I thought you were dead! You must be \\\'\\\'double dead\\\'\\\'.\\\"

...a complete monster is supposed to fulfill all five. Oogie fails over half. He didn\\\'t go anywhere near any moral event horizons. Being a bit evil, or even a lot evil, is not enough; a complete monster is an epitome of evil.
Changed line(s) 5 from:
n
Oogie threatens to cook and eat Santa. No torture. \
to:
Oogie threatens to cook and eat Santa. No torture. \\\"Worse than the others\\\"? Ok, a bit. Horrendous? No.

2. The character\\\'s horribleness is played straight at all times. Evokes fear, revulsion, and hatred.

No. He is obviously silly. He has a song and dance number. \\\"Fear\\\", \\\"revulsion\\\", and \\\"hatred\\\" are pretty strong words. The other residents dislike and mistrust him.

3. No Freudian excuse.

Okay.

4. No remorse.

Okay.

5. No chance of redemption.

Nonsense! The movie could have easily ended without killing Oogie (in a deleted scene/alternate ending, this is even true), and he could believably pull a HeelFaceTurn. Actually, he sort of appears to when Jack shows up, but it turned out not: \\\"Jack, I thought you were dead! You must be \\\'\\\'double dead\\\'\\\'.\\\"

...a complete monster is supposed to fulfill all five. Oogie fails over half. He didn\\\'t go anywhere near any moral event horizons. Being a bit evil, or even a lot evil, is not enough; a complete monster is an epitome of evil.
Changed line(s) 5 from:
n
Oogie threatens to cook and eat Santa. No torture. \
to:
Oogie threatens to cook and eat Santa. No torture. \\\"Worse than the others\\\"? Ok, a bit. Horrendous? No.

2. The character\\\'s horribleness is played straight at all times. Evokes fear, revulsion, and hatred.

No. He is obviously silly. He has a song and dance number. \\\"fear\\\", \\\"revulsion\\\", and \\\"hatred\\\" are pretty strong words. The other residents dislike and mistrust him.

3. No Freudian excuse.

Okay.

4. No remorse.

Okay.

5. No chance of redemption.

Nonsense! The movie could have easily ended without killing Oogie (in a deleted scene/alternate ending, this is even true), and he could believably pull a HeelFaceTurn. Actually, he sort of appears to when Jack shows up, but it turned out not: \\\"Jack, I thought you were dead! You must be \\\'\\\'double dead\\\'\\\'.\\\"

...a complete monster is supposed to fulfill all five. Oogie fails over half. He didn\\\'t go anywhere near any moral event horizons. Being a bit evil, or even a lot evil, is not enough; a complete monster is an epitome of evil.
Changed line(s) 5 from:
n
Oogie threatens to cook and eat Santa. No torture. \
to:
Oogie threatens to cook and eat Santa. No torture. \\\"Worse than the others\\\"? Ok, a bit. Horrendous? No.

2. The character\\\'s horribleness is played straight at all times. Evokes fear, revulsion, and hatred.

No. He is obviously silly. He has a song and dance number. \\\"fear\\\", \\\"revulsion\\\", and \\\"hatred\\\" are pretty strong words. The other residents dislike and mistrust him.

3. No Freudian excuse.

Okay.

4. No remorse.

Okay.

5. No chance of redemption.

Nonsense! The movie could have easily ended without killing Oogie (in a deleted scene/alternate ending, this is even true), and he could believably pull a HeelFaceTurn.

...a complete monster is supposed to fulfill all five. Oogie fails over half. He hasn\\\'t gone anywhere near any moral event horizons. Being a bit evil, or even a lot evil, is not enough; a complete monster is an epitome of evil.
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