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Just to round things out, I find the other part of the statement UltraSonic007 quoted to be logically problematic. I find the notion that God (or anything transcendent for that matter, to be more general) conflicting with the law of identity is something that exists as a natural corollary of any/all of the three essential axioms you listed untenable. The three axioms, together or apart, nowhere necessitate that a thing that is definite cannot have multiple attributes and/or shared attributes. The logic inherent in A = A (ex. banana) is not violated by being recast as Ag = Ag (both distinct, physical banana and willed creation of God), or as Au = Au (both distinct, physical banana and thing consisting of some shared fabric/structure/essence of the universe), or anything of the kind.
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Just to round things out, I find the other part of the statement UltraSonic007 quoted to be logically problematic. I find the notion that God (or anything transcendent for that matter, to be more general), conflicting with the law of identity, is something that exists as a natural corollary of any/all of the three essential axioms you listed untenable. The three axioms, together or apart, nowhere necessitate that a thing that is definite cannot have multiple attributes and/or shared attributes. The logic inherent in A = A (A, for example, being a banana) is not violated by being recast as Ag = Ag (both distinct, physical banana and willed creation of God), or as Au = Au (both distinct, physical banana and thing consisting of some shared fabric/structure/essence of the universe), or anything of the kind.
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By extension, I find it odd that the rationality of Objectivism could be said to embrace atheism. It really doesn\'t seem to make a theological suggestion one way or the other, based on the primary tenets presented. (Perhaps the school of thought has more involved foundations than you were able to present in this wiki. I admit to being rather poorly informed on the subject myself.) Even the assertion that the three axioms (or some sequence of corollaries thereof) exclude the possibility of reality\'s dependence and/or interrelation with \
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By extension, I find it odd that the rationality of Objectivism could be said to embrace atheism. It really doesn\\\'t seem to make a theological suggestion one way or the other, based on the primary tenets presented. (Perhaps the school of thought has more involved foundations than you were able to present in this wiki. I admit to being rather poorly informed on the subject myself.) Even the assertion that the three axioms (or some sequence of corollaries thereof) exclude the possibility of reality\\\'s dependence and/or interrelation with \\\"any consciousness\\\" seems flawed. I agree that the axioms, along with a fair bit of empirical evidence, strongly support the conclusion that reality is independent from my own consciousness (beyond my own physical agency), but they don\\\'t seem to preclude the possibility that reality could be encompassed by some transcendent consciousness. They also don\\\'t seem to preclude the possibility that reality (even being distinct/discrete in its present state) could be descended from such a consciousness. (To give a crude analogy for the last point, the saliva in my mouth was produced by my body and is arguably part of my body while there. Should I spit it out onto the ground, however, it very arguably would become something distinct and separate from my body; it would inherit a state of separateness that would nevertheless have no bearing on my existence as its progenitor or on its own origin.)

Anyway, my own stumbling about the matter aside, I just wanted to make the probing observation that several Non Sequitur fallacies seem to be afoot in some of the corollaries and ascriptions that you have presented under the Objectivism mantle.
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