Discussion History YMMV / StrangerThings

So, a discussion about this entry for Godfrey, also extending to the YMMV page, which has a similar entry under DracoInLeatherPants. I wrote this entry a few days back and Fudget Muppet repeatedly removed it today, stating it\\\'s \\\"LOL fan fiction\\\" or that you \\\"can\\\'t apply morality to a mythological character\\\" (which Godfrey isn\\\'t, he\\\'s a video game character created in 2022).

* AntiVillain: Godfrey was the founder of the current regime alongside Marika, responsible for the extermination of the Fire Giants, the bloody conquest of the Storm Lord\\\'s domain (even personally slaying \\\"the lone hero fighting for vengeance\\\" at the Siege of Castle Morne), and likely the subjugation and enslavement of the nonhumans in their lands like the Misbegotten, Demi-Humans, and Trolls. However he is also very honorable and even courteous in his interactions with the player Tarnished, being one of the \\\'\\\'very\\\'\\\' few foes who treats them as an equal and fellow warrior. Furthermore, he allowed his much-neglected son, Morgott, to be raised in a sewer, yet apparently ensured he got a decent education (judging by his mastery of martial arts, magic, and statecraft) and in their only on-screen interaction treats him with immense tenderness. From the player\\\'s perspective his only antagonistic trait is his goal: reclaim his throne as the First Elden Lord, which runs in opposite of the Tarnished\\\'s. Even then should he be defeated, Godfrey takes his defeat with grace and merriment at the Tarnished\\\'s success.

I can cite exact lines of text if needed but none of the negative acts attributed to Godfrey here are fan fiction. He was the King-Consort of Marika, he genocided the Fire Giants, he led the conquest of the Storm Lord\\\'s realm, he slew a \\\"hero\\\" who apparently had motivation for vengeance against him, his kingdom enslaved and oppressed various races including their own allies, and his sons were raised in a sewer. We\\\'re not sure if he, particularly, is the one that decided all those policies as opposed to Marika, but the entry didn\\\'t even say that he did, just that these were the results of his actions and that he has some culpability. As the king and chief general of the realm it\\\'s pretty ridiculous to suggest he bares no responsibility for them, and the fact that he still loves Marika and she still loves him would definitely point to him being onboard, or at least not having a big problem with them.

So, a discussion about this entry for Godfrey, also extending to the YMMV page, which has a similar entry under DracoInLeatherPants. I wrote this entry a few days back and Fudget Muppet repeatedly removed it today, stating it\\\'s \\\"LOL fan fiction.\\\"

* AntiVillain: Godfrey was the founder of the current regime alongside Marika, responsible for the extermination of the Fire Giants, the bloody conquest of the Storm Lord\\\'s domain (even personally slaying \\\"the lone hero fighting for vengeance\\\" at the Siege of Castle Morne), and likely the subjugation and enslavement of the nonhumans in their lands like the Misbegotten, Demi-Humans, and Trolls. However he is also very honorable and even courteous in his interactions with the player Tarnished, being one of the \\\'\\\'very\\\'\\\' few foes who treats them as an equal and fellow warrior. Furthermore, he allowed his much-neglected son, Morgott, to be raised in a sewer, yet apparently ensured he got a decent education (judging by his mastery of martial arts, magic, and statecraft) and in their only on-screen interaction treats him with immense tenderness. From the player\\\'s perspective his only antagonistic trait is his goal: reclaim his throne as the First Elden Lord, which runs in opposite of the Tarnished\\\'s. Even then should he be defeated, Godfrey takes his defeat with grace and merriment at the Tarnished\\\'s success.

I can cite exact lines of text if needed but none of the negative acts attributed to Godfrey here are fan fiction. He was the King-Consort of Marika, he genocided the Fire Giants, he led the conquest of the Storm Lord\\\'s realm, he slew a \\\"hero\\\" who apparently had motivation for vengeance against him, his kingdom enslaved and oppressed various races including their own allies, and his sons were raised in a sewer. We\\\'re not sure if he, particularly, is the one that decided all those policies as opposed to Marika, but the entry didn\\\'t even say that he did, just that these were the results of his actions and that he has some culpability. As the king and chief general of the realm it\\\'s pretty ridiculous to suggest he bares no responsibility for them, and the fact that he still loves Marika and she still loves him would definitely point to him being onboard, or at least not having a big problem with them.

So, a discussion about this entry for Godfrey, also extending to the YMMV page, which has a similar entry under DracoInLeatherPants. I wrote this entry a few days back and Fudget Muppet repeatedly removed it today, stating it\\\'s \\\"LOL fan fiction.\\\"

* AntiVillain: Godfrey was the founder of the current regime alongside Marika, responsible for the extermination of the Fire Giants, the bloody conquest of the Storm Lord\\\'s domain (even personally slaying \\\"the lone hero fighting for vengeance\\\" at the Siege of Castle Morne), and likely the subjugation and enslavement of the nonhumans in their lands like the Misbegotten, Demi-Humans, and Trolls. However he is also very honorable and even courteous in his interactions with the player Tarnished, being one of the \\\'\\\'very\\\'\\\' few foes who treats them as an equal and fellow warrior. Furthermore, he allowed his much-neglected son, Morgott, to be raised in a sewer, yet apparently ensured he got a decent education (judging by his mastery of martial arts, magic, and statecraft) and in their only on-screen interaction treats him with immense tenderness. From the player\\\'s perspective his only antagonistic trait is his goal: reclaim his throne as the First Elden Lord, which runs in opposite of the Tarnished\\\'s. Even then should he be defeated, Godfrey takes his defeat with grace and merriment at the Tarnished\\\'s success.

I can cite exact lines of text if needed but none of the negative acts attributed to Godfrey here are fan fiction. He was the King-Consort of Marika, he genocided the Fire Giants, he led the conquest of the Storm Lord\\\'s realm, he slew a \\\"hero\\\" who apparently had motivation for vengeance against him, his kingdom enslaved and oppressed various races including their own allies, and his sons were raised in a sewer. We\\\'re not sure if he, particularly, is the one that decided all those policies as opposed to Marika, but the entry didn\\\'t even say that he did, just that these were the results of his actions and that he has some culpability. As the king and chief general of the realm it\\\'s pretty ridiculous to suggest he bares no responsibility for them, and the fact that he still loves Marika and she still loves him would definitely point to him being onboard with her policies.

So, a discussion about this entry for Godfrey, also extending to the YMMV page, which has a similar entry under DracoInLeatherPants. I wrote this entry a few days back and Fudget Muppet repeatedly removed it today, stating it\\\'s \\\"LOL fan fiction.\\\"

* AntiVillain: Godfrey was the founder of the current regime alongside Marika, responsible for the extermination of the Fire Giants, the bloody conquest of the Storm Lord\\\'s domain (even personally slaying \\\"the lone hero fighting for vengeance\\\" at the Siege of Castle Morne), and likely the subjugation and enslavement of the nonhumans in their lands like the Misbegotten, Demi-Humans, and Trolls. However he is also very honorable and even courteous in his interactions with the player Tarnished, being one of the \\\'\\\'very\\\'\\\' few foes who treats them as an equal and fellow warrior. Furthermore, he allowed his much-neglected son, Morgott, to be raised in a sewer, yet apparently ensured he got a decent education (judging by his mastery of martial arts, magic, and statecraft) and in their only on-screen interaction treats him with immense tenderness. From the player\\\'s perspective his only antagonistic trait is his goal: reclaim his throne as the First Elden Lord, which runs in opposite of the Tarnished\\\'s. Even then should he be defeated, Godfrey takes his defeat with grace and merriment at the Tarnished\\\'s success.

I can cite exact lines of text if needed but none of the negative acts attributed to Godfrey here are fan fiction. He was the King-Consort of Marika, he genocided the Fire Giants, he led the conquest of the Storm Lord\\\'s realm, he slew a \\\"hero\\\" who apparently had motivation for vengeance against him, his kingdom enslaved and oppressed various races including their own allies, and his sons were raised in a sewer. We\\\'re not sure if he, particularly, is the one that decided all those policies as opposed to Marika, but the entry didn\\\'t even say that he did, just that these were the results of his actions and that he has some culpability. As the king and chief general of the realm it\\\'s pretty ridiculous to suggest he bares no culpability whatsoever for them, and the fact that he still loves Marika and she still loves him would definitely point to him being onboard with her policies.