Discussion History HoistByHisOwnPetard / RealLife

Even still, there is always the chance that using recent examples on this page will run into what I\\\'m going to call the \\\"Justin Roiland trap.\\\" I remember when the news of Roiland facing charges of domestic abuse and false imprisonment against an unidentified ex girlfriend was made public, there was several internet denizens predicting that he would face a pretty hefty prison sentence. It didn\\\'t help that there was a lot of grown women and young girls alike that came out of the shed claiming that he sexually harassed or groomed them.

However, against all of those outsider expectations, the courts completely dismissed the charges on the grounds of \\\"lack of sufficient evidence.\\\" Like with the Roiland case, there are just so many unknowns behind the scenes or unexpected turns that could completely change events beyond what was previously forecasted. There just needs to be a balance against editors getting too carried away with their expectations here.

I still see your point with incidents like Stockten Rush and his Oceangate sub where the writing is very quickly on the wall. I would also love to hear any input of the mods, and it should entirely up to them to make such calls. I\\\'m overstepping with my backseat modding of this page.

Even still, there is always the chance that using recent examples on this page will run into what I\\\'m going to call the \\\"Justin Roiland trap.\\\" I remember when the news of Roiland facing charges of domestic abuse and false imprisonment against an unidentified ex girlfriend was made public, there was several internet denizens predicting that he would face a pretty hefty prison sentence. It didn\\\'t help that there was a lot of grown women and young girls alike that came out of the shed claiming that he sexually harassed or groomed them.

However, against all of those outsider expectations, the courts completely dismissed the charges on the grounds of \\\"lack of sufficient evidence.\\\" Like with the Roiland case, there are just so many unknowns behind the scenes or unexpected turns that could completely change events beyond what was previously forecasted. There just needs to be a balance against editors getting too carried away with their expectations here.

I still see your point with incidents like Stockten Rush and his Oceangate sub being quite an apparent example of this trope in motion. I would also love to hear any input of the mods, and it should entirely up to them to make such calls. I\\\'m overstepping with my backseat modding of this page.

We enter the story with the dysfunctional family presenting in different ways. Isabela is the most like StepfordSmiler as she tries to conform to the \\\"perfect golden child\\\" label. However, Luisa is more dour and stoic as she feels she always has to say \\\"yes\\\" to any chore handed to her even when she\\\'s exhausted or doesn\\\'t feel like she\\\'s strong enough to handle it.

Pepa with her volatile moods certainly isn\\\'t a smiler and seems to work full time just trying to keep her weather focused on \\\"clear skies\\\". Dolores doesn\\\'t have too much of her personality defined but one would think that she would have run straight to Alma with her Mirabel gossip. Camilo comes across as a typical 15-year with the usual snark and attitude. Felix and Agustin don\\\'t really show much as smilers.

Essentially it feels like we have a real, diverse but dysfunctional family buckling under the weight of Alma\\\'s expectations. But they aren\\\'t all bright, chipper, and pleasant under all circumstances as the StepfordSmiler requires.

I would like to remove the StepfordSmiler examples from the character page as they are tending to shoe-horn characters into that trope.

EDIT: After many days of no response, even after sending some [=PMs=] to invite feedback, I\\\'m moving forward with removing the stepford smiler implications in the character section. Will list this discussion in the edit reason.

We enter the story with the dysfunctional family presenting in different ways. Isabela is the most like StepfordSmiler as she tries to conform to the \\\"perfect golden child\\\" label. However, Luisa is more dour and stoic as she feels she always has to say \\\"yes\\\" to any chore handed to her even when she\\\'s exhausted or doesn\\\'t feel like she\\\'s strong enough to handle it.

Pepa with her volatile moods certainly isn\\\'t a smiler and seems to work full time just trying to keep her weather focused on \\\"clear skies\\\". Dolores doesn\\\'t have too much of her personality defined but one would think that she would have run straight to Alma with her Mirabel gossip. Camilo comes across as a typical 15-year with the usual snark and attitude. Felix and Agustin don\\\'t really show much as smilers.

Essentially it feels like we have a real, diverse but dysfunctional family buckling under the weight of Alma\\\'s expectations. But they aren\\\'t all bright, chipper, and pleasant under all circumstances as the StepfordSmiler requires.

I would like to remove the StepfordSmiler examples from the character page as they are tending to shoe-horn characters into that trope.

EDIT: After many days of no response, even after sending some PMs to invite feedback, I\\\'m moving forward with removing the stepford smiler implications in the character section. Will list this discussion in the edit reason.

The character section has a thread of StepfordSmiler running through it that I don\\\'t think is appropriate.