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Is this, or is it not, \\\"Gushing about Characters the Fandom Hates but You Like\\\"?
Because if it is not, then I see no reason that about half or more of these people should be here. If we\\\'re basing these characters on the actual \\\'\\\'definition\\\'\\\' of badass, there are several who simply do not apply. Period. If this is a page where people can talk up some character they live for but everyone else things is an asshole (I\\\'m looking at you Raiden fans) then please can we rename it? Or remove the entries which don\\\'t fit that description?
Because simply editing out any opposing opinion as \\\"natter\\\" (PROTIP: it\\\'s not, and even if it were, the fact you\\\'re argument is so weak even \\\'\\\'general conversation\\\'\\\' dismantles it is not encouraging) only goes to show how inately weak the position of these people on the list are.
If you have an argument whereby these people should count as badass despite some doing \\\'\\\'nothing\\\'\\\' to fit the criteria, please put it forth. But simply putting \\\"Oh Alan Moore liked Nite-Owl and not Rorschach!!!!\\\" up there is not an argument, that\\\'s an Appeal to Authority (A bad one at that since Alan Moore isn\\\'t exactly an expert or authority on...like, \\\'\\\'anything\\\'\\\'. At all) and it\\\'s invalid in any logical debate.
So is there any criteria we\\\'re going by here, or is this just a page to blow unlikeable douche characters for our own personal OTPs, because so far that\\\'s basically what it is and I reckon has been since the get-go.
At the very least can we agree that the [[NeonGenesisEvangelion whiny, egotistical clod who sexually assaults unconscious girls]] is \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' badass? Or is that asking too much of Evangelion fans? Can we at least downgrade him to being less badass than Raiden who, for all his faults, never \\\'\\\'\\\'masturbated onto an unconscious girl\\\'s chest\\\'\\\'\\\'? Because if that\\\'s badass I officially declare every rapist ever badass, or at least as badass as Shinji Ikari.
(Hint: they\\\'re not, and neither is he.)
Because if it is not, then I see no reason that about half or more of these people should be here. If we\\\'re basing these characters on the actual \\\'\\\'definition\\\'\\\' of badass, there are several who simply do not apply. Period. If this is a page where people can talk up some character they live for but everyone else things is an asshole (I\\\'m looking at you Raiden fans) then please can we rename it? Or remove the entries which don\\\'t fit that description?
Because simply editing out any opposing opinion as \\\"natter\\\" (PROTIP: it\\\'s not, and even if it were, the fact you\\\'re argument is so weak even \\\'\\\'general conversation\\\'\\\' dismantles it is not encouraging) only goes to show how inately weak the position of these people on the list are.
If you have an argument whereby these people should count as badass despite some doing \\\'\\\'nothing\\\'\\\' to fit the criteria, please put it forth. But simply putting \\\"Oh Alan Moore liked Nite-Owl and not Rorschach!!!!\\\" up there is not an argument, that\\\'s an Appeal to Authority (A bad one at that since Alan Moore isn\\\'t exactly an expert or authority on...like, \\\'\\\'anything\\\'\\\'. At all) and it\\\'s invalid in any logical debate.
So is there any criteria we\\\'re going by here, or is this just a page to blow unlikeable douche characters for our own personal OTPs, because so far that\\\'s basically what it is and I reckon has been since the get-go.
At the very least can we agree that the [[NeonGenesisEvangelion whiny, egotistical clod who sexually assaults unconscious girls]] is \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' badass? Or is that asking too much of Evangelion fans? Can we at least downgrade him to being less badass than Raiden who, for all his faults, never \\\'\\\'\\\'masturbated onto an unconscious girl\\\'s chest\\\'\\\'\\\'? Because if that\\\'s badass I officially declare every rapist ever badass, or at least as badass as Shinji Ikari.
(Hint: they\\\'re not, and neither is he.)
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...Yet have a lot of characters in the two other chaotic alignments capable of obey orders in the other chaotic alignments. They must be removed? I am tired of people putting examples that were NeutralEvil in ChaoticGood or ChaoticNeutral simply because they [[HeelFaceTurn are not more evil]] despite their attitudes in the \
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...Yet have a lot of characters in the two other chaotic alignments capable of obey orders in the other chaotic alignments. They must be removed? I am tired of people putting examples that were NeutralEvil in ChaoticGood or ChaoticNeutral simply because they [[HeelFaceTurn are not more evil]] despite their attitudes in the \\\"ethical\\\" axis being the same. Is logical that the three alignments of each intance of the \\\"ethical\\\" axis are consistent between themselves. Many persons guess that ChaoticNeutral have more in commom with NeutralEvil that with ChaoticEvil...is this the problem... (I was not rude, was?)
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...Yet have a lot of characters in the two other chaotic alignments capable of obey orders in the other chaotic alignments. They must be removed? I am tired of people putting examples that were NeutralEvil in ChaoticGood or ChaoticNeutral simply because they [[HeelFaceTurn are not more evil]] despite their attitudes in the \
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...Yet have a lot of characters in the two other chaotic alignments capable of obey orders in the other chaotic alignments. They must be removed? I am tired of people putting examples that were NeutralEvil in ChaoticGood or ChaoticNeutral simply because they [[HeelFaceTurn are not more evil]] despite their attitudes in the \\\"ethical\\\" axis being the same. I want that the three alignments of each intance of the \\\"ethical\\\" axis to be consistent between themselves. Many persons guess that ChaoticNeutral have more in commom with NeutralEvil that with ChaoticEvil...is this the problem... I was not rude, was?
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...Yet have a lot of characters in the two other chaotic alignments capable of obey orders in the other chaotic alignments. They must be removed? I am tired of people putting examples that were NeutralEvil in ChaoticNeutral simply because they [[HeelFaceTurn are not more evil]] despite their attitudes in the \
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...Yet have a lot of characters in the two other chaotic alignments capable of obey orders in the other chaotic alignments. They must be removed? I am tired of people putting examples that were NeutralEvil in ChaoticGood or ChaoticNeutral simply because they [[HeelFaceTurn are not more evil]] despite their attitudes in the \\\"ethical\\\" axis being the same.
