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Where we differ is that I\'m not seeing Namaari\'s statement as \
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Where we differ is that I\\\'m not seeing Namaari\\\'s statement as \\\"Villain Has a Point\\\" but rather \\\"Villain Makes Accusations\\\".

In re-reading the definition and examples for VillainHasAPoint it really seems that in order for the trope to to be valid, the point or points the villain makes have to resonate as \\\"true\\\" to some degree with the audience or the hero. Otherwise it\\\'s just the villain blame-casting.

This is a issue that\\\'s been picked up by others. For example, Cellspex, a noted animation critic, doesn\\\'t agree with Namaari\\\'s \\\"as much to blame\\\" accusation [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1tS3K144QE in her review of the movie]].

Hell, even \\\'\\\'Honest Trailers\\\'\\\' [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cbw4RKmR44 goes out of its way]] to call bullshit on Namaari in the scene where she blames Raya for Sisu\\\'s death.

I\\\'m going to be AFK until Friday, so I\\\'ll give this further thought in the meantime, but as it stands I\\\'m really not sure a VillainHasAPoint entry is justified.

You mention \\\'\\\'\\\"guidelines on contentious bits\\\"\\\'\\\' could you please direct me to where those guidelines are as I\\\'d like to review them?
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Where we differ is that I\'m not seeing Namaari\'s statement as \
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Where we differ is that I\\\'m not seeing Namaari\\\'s statement as \\\"Villain Has a Point\\\" but rather \\\"Villain Makes Accusations\\\".

In re-reading the definition for VillainHasAPoint it really seems that in order for the trope to to be valid, the point or points the villain makes have to resonate as \\\"true\\\" to some degree with the audience. Otherwise it\\\'s just the villain blame-casting.

This is a issue that\\\'s been picked up by others. For example, Cellspex, a noted animation critic, doesn\\\'t agree with Namaari\\\'s \\\"as much to blame\\\" accusation [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1tS3K144QE in her review of the movie]].

Hell, even \\\'\\\'Honest Trailers\\\'\\\' [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cbw4RKmR44 goes out of its way]] to call bullshit on Namaari in the scene where she blames Raya for Sisu\\\'s death.

I\\\'m going to be AFK until Friday, so I\\\'ll give this further thought in the meantime, but as it stands I\\\'m really not sure a VillainHasAPoint entry is justified.

You mention \\\'\\\'\\\"guidelines on contentious bits\\\"\\\'\\\' could you please direct me to where those guidelines are as I\\\'d like to review them?
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Where we differ is that I\'m not seeing Namaari\'s statement as \
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Where we differ is that I\\\'m not seeing Namaari\\\'s statement as \\\"Villain Has a Point\\\" but rather \\\"Villain Makes Accusations\\\".

In re-reading the definition for VillainHasAPoint it really seems that in order for the trope to to be valid, the point or points the villain makes have to resonate as \\\"true\\\" to some degree with the audience. Otherwise it\\\'s just the villain blame-casting.

This is a issue that\\\'s been picked up by others. For example, Cellspex, a noted animation critic, doesn\\\'t agree with Namaari\\\'s \\\"as much to blame\\\" accusation [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1tS3K144QE in her review of the movie]].

Hell, even \\\'\\\'Honest Trailers\\\'\\\' [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cbw4RKmR44 goes out of its way]] to call bullshit on Namaari in the scene where she blames Raya for Sisu\\\'s death.

I\\\'m going to be AFK until Friday, so I\\\'ll give this further thought in the meantime, but as it stands I\\\'m really not sure a VillainHasAPoint entry is justified.

You mention \\\'\\\'\\\"guidelines on contentious bits\\\"\\\'\\\' could you please direct me to those guidelines as I\\\'d like to review them?
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Where we differ is that I\'m not seeing Namaari\'s statement as \
to:
Where we differ is that I\\\'m not seeing Namaari\\\'s statement as \\\"Villain Has a Point\\\" but rather \\\"Villain Makes Accusations\\\".

In re-reading the definition for VillainHasAPoint it really seems that in order for the trope to to be valid, the point or points the villain makes have to resonate as \\\"true\\\" to some degree with the audience. Otherwise it\\\'s just the villain blame-casting.

This is a issue that\\\'s been picked up by others. For example, Cellspex, a noted animation critic, doesn\\\'t agree with Namaari\\\'s \\\"as much to blame\\\" accusation [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1tS3K144QE in her review of the movie]].

Hell, even \\\'\\\'Honest Trailers\\\'\\\' [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cbw4RKmR44 goes out of its way]] to call bullshit on Namaari in the scene where she blames Raya for Sisu\\\'s death.

I\\\'m going to be AFK until Friday, so I\\\'ll give this further thought in the meantime, but as it stands I\\\'m really not sure a VillainHasAPoint entry is justified.

You mention \\\"guidelines on contentious bits\\\" could you please direct me to those guidelines as I\\\'d like to review them?
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