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Like I said before, I am not making a positive claim Lind is not anti-Semitic to some extent. Indeed, I wouldn\\\'t be surprised if he turned out to be, and the way he phrased himself about Adorno et al (\\\"These guys were all Jewish\\\") could be taken that way. Then again, it doesn\\\'t \\\'\\\'necessarily\\\'\\\' have to be -- the SPLC itself in fact uses almost exactly the same turn of phrase itself when discussing them in your own article: \\\'\\\'Theodor Adorno, Max Horkheimer, and Herbert Marcuse, \\\'\\\'\\\'all Jews\\\'\\\'\\\' who fled Germany and went to Columbia University in the 1930s.\\\'\\\' Surely the SPLC are not being anti-Semitic in so doing, although I can see ways one could perhaps spin the line that way in isolation. Of course, with Lind the context appears different, but we don\\\'t really \\\'\\\'know\\\'\\\' the exact context in which he said his bit, since they only quote that one line. Therefore, I try my best to assume good faith on his part. I usually do, when there is reasonable doubt about whether someone has simply phrased himself poorly.

However that may be, any reasonable estimate will recognize it is still a very long way to go from knee-jerk anti-Semitism and grumbling to \\\'\\\'\\\'advocating genocide of Jews, or holocaust denialism, or claiming that the Jews deserved the holocaust that did happen to them\\\'\\\'\\\' like you falsely and maliciously claimed as fact that Lind did and does, in and outside of his novel \\\'\\\'Victoria\\\'\\\'.

As for your explanation--fair enough. I could say I have good reason not to believe you, given your habit of not-so-subtly calling me a fascist who secretly sympathizes with \\\"ole\\\' Hitler\\\" in these snide little remarks you shove in throughout the rests of your posts, but I choose to assume good faith on your part this time. Just as I do with Lind, and as you very demonstratively refuse to do with either him or me.

And as for your efforts to delete or censor one of our pages -- about a book you haven\\\'t read -- out of motives based only on lies, defamations and your very obvious and freely confessed political agenda, in contravention of our site\\\'s rules as they stand... well, as you say, we shall see.

Like I said before, I am not making a positive claim Lind is not anti-Semitic to some extent. Indeed, I wouldn\\\'t be surprised if he turned out to be, and the way he phrased himself about Adorno et al (\\\"These guys were all Jewish\\\") could be taken that way. Then again, it doesn\\\'t \\\'\\\'necessarily\\\'\\\' have to be -- the SPLC itself in fact uses almost exactly the same turn of phrase itself when discussing them in your own article: \\\'\\\'Theodor Adorno, Max Horkheimer, and Herbert Marcuse, \\\'\\\'\\\'all Jews\\\'\\\'\\\' who fled Germany and went to Columbia University in the 1930s.\\\'\\\' Surely the SPLC are not being anti-Semitic in so doing, although I can see ways one could perhaps spin the line that way in isolation. Of course, with Lind the context appears different, but we don\\\'t really \\\'\\\'know\\\'\\\' the exact context in which he said his bit, since they only quote that one line. Therefore, I try my best to assume good faith on his part. I usually do, when there is reasonable doubt about whether someone has simply phrased himself poorly.

However that may be, any reasonable estimate will recognize it is still a very long way to go from knee-jerk anti-Semitism and grumbling to \\\'\\\'\\\'advocating genocide of Jews, or holocaust denialism, or claiming that the Jews deserved the holocaust that did happen to them\\\'\\\'\\\' like you falsely and maliciously claimed as fact that Lind did and does, in and outside of his novel \\\'\\\'Victoria\\\'\\\'.

As for your explanation--fair enough. I could say I have good reason not to believe you, given your habit of not-so-subtly calling me a fascist who secretly sympathizes with \\\"ole\\\' Hitler\\\" in these snide little remarks you shove in throughout the rests of your posts, but I choose to assume good faith on your part this time. Just as I do with Lind, and as you very demonstratively refuse to do with either him or me.

And as for your efforts to delete or censor one of our pages -- about a book you haven\\\'t read -- out of motives based only on lies, defamations and your very obvious and freely confessed political agenda, in contravention of our site\\\'s rules as they stand... well, as you say, we shall see.

Like I said before, I am not making a positive claim Lind is not anti-Semitic to some extent. Indeed, I wouldn\\\'t be surprised if he turned out to be, and the way he phrased himself about Adorno et al (\\\"These guys were all Jewish\\\") could be taken that way. Then again, it doesn\\\'t \\\'\\\'necessarily\\\'\\\' have to be -- the SPLC itself in fact uses almost exactly the same turn of phrase itself when discussing them in your own article: \\\'\\\'Theodor Adorno, Max Horkheimer, and Herbert Marcuse, \\\'\\\'\\\'all Jews\\\'\\\'\\\' who fled Germany and went to Columbia University in the 1930s.\\\'\\\' Surely the SPLC are not being anti-Semitic in so doing, although I can see ways one could perhaps spin the line that way in isolation. Of course, with Lind the context appears different, but we don\\\'t really \\\'\\\'know\\\'\\\' the exact context in which he said his bit, since they only quote that one line. Therefore, I try my best to assume good faith on his part. I usually do, when there is reasonable doubt about whether someone has simply phrased himself poorly.

However that may be, any reasonable estimate will recognize it is still a very long way to go from knee-jerk anti-Semitism and grumbling to \\\'\\\'\\\'advocating genocide of Jews, or holocaust denialism, or claiming that the Jews deserved the holocaust that did happen to them\\\'\\\'\\\' like you falsely and maliciously claimed as fact that Lind did and does, in and outside of his novel \\\'\\\'Victoria\\\'\\\'.

As for your explanation--fair enough. I could say I have good reason not to believe you, given your habit of not-so-subtly calling me a fascist who secretly sympathizes with \\\"ole\\\' Hitler\\\" in these snide little remarks you shove in throughout the rests of your posts, but I choose to assume good faith on your part this time. Just as I do with Lind, and as you very demonstratively refuse to do with either him or me.

And as for your efforts to delete or censor one of our pages, about a book you haven\\\'t read, out of motives based only on lies, defamations and your very obvious and freely confessed political agenda, in contravention of our site\\\'s rules as they stand... well, as you say, we shall see.

Like I said before, I am not making a positive claim Lind is not anti-Semitic to some extent. Indeed, I wouldn\\\'t be surprised if he turned out to be, and the way he phrased himself about Adorno et al (\\\"These guys were all Jewish\\\") could be taken that way. Then again, it doesn\\\'t \\\'\\\'necessarily\\\'\\\' have to be -- the SPLC itself in fact uses almost exactly the same turn of phrase itself when discussing them in your own article: \\\'\\\'Theodor Adorno, Max Horkheimer, and Herbert Marcuse, \\\'\\\'\\\'all Jews\\\'\\\'\\\' who fled Germany and went to Columbia University in the 1930s.\\\'\\\' Surely the SPLC are not being anti-Semitic in so doing, although I can see ways one could perhaps spin the line that way in isolation. Of course, with Lind the context appears different, but we don\\\'t really \\\'\\\'know\\\'\\\' the exact context in which he said his bit, since they only quote that one line. Therefore, I try my best to assume good faith on his part. I usually do, when there is reasonable doubt about whether someone has simply phrased himself poorly.

However that may be, any reasonable estimate will recognize it is still a very long way to go from knee-jerk anti-Semitism and grumbling to \\\'\\\'\\\'advocating genocide of Jews, or holocaust denialism, or claiming that the Jews deserved the holocaust that did happen to them\\\'\\\'\\\' like you falsely and maliciously claimed as fact that Lind did and does, in and outside of his novel \\\'\\\'Victoria\\\'\\\'.

As for your explanation--fair enough. I could say I have good reason not to believe you, given your habit of not-so-subtly calling me a fascist who secretly sympathizes with \\\"ole\\\' Hitler\\\" in these snide little remarks you shove in throughout the rests of your posts, but I choose to assume good faith on your part this time. Just as I do with Lind, and as you very demonstratively refuse to do with either him or me.

And as for your efforts to delete or censor one of our pages out of motives based only on lies, defamations and your very obvious and freely confessed political agenda, in contravention of our site\\\'s rules as they stand... well, as you say, we shall see.

Like I said before, I am not making a positive claim Lind is not anti-Semitic to some extent. Indeed, I wouldn\\\'t be surprised if he turned out to be, and the way he phrased himself about Adorno et al (\\\"These guys were all Jewish\\\") could be taken that way. Then again, it doesn\\\'t \\\'\\\'necessarily\\\'\\\' have to be -- the SPLC itself in fact uses almost exactly the same turn of phrase itself when discussing them in your own article: \\\'\\\'Theodor Adorno, Max Horkheimer, and Herbert Marcuse, \\\'\\\'\\\'all Jews\\\'\\\'\\\' who fled Germany and went to Columbia University in the 1930s.\\\'\\\' Surely the SPLC are not being anti-Semitic in so doing, although I can see ways one could perhaps spin the line that way in isolation. Of course, with Lind the context appears different, but we don\\\'t really \\\'\\\'know\\\'\\\' the exact context in which he said his bit, since they only quote that one line. Therefore, I try my best to assume good faith on his part. I usually do, when there is reasonable doubt about whether someone has simply phrased himself poorly.

However that may be, any reasonable estimate will recognize it is still a very long way to go from knee-jerk anti-Semitism and grumbling to \\\'\\\'\\\'advocating genocide of Jews, or holocaust denialism, or claiming that the Jews deserved the holocaust that did happen to them\\\'\\\'\\\' like you falsely and maliciously claimed as fact that Lind did and does, in and outside of his novel \\\'\\\'Victoria\\\'\\\'.

As for your explanation--fair enough. I could say I have good reason not to believe you, given your habit of not-so-subtly calling me a fascist who secretly sympathizes with \\\"ole\\\' Hitler\\\" in these snide little remarks you shove in throughout the rests of your posts, but I choose to assume good faith on your part this time. Just as I do with Lind, and as you very demonstratively refuse to do with either him or me.

And as for your efforts to delete or censor a page out of motives based only on lies, defamation and your very obvious and freely confessed political agenda, in contravention of our site\\\'s rules as they stand... well, as you say, we shall see.

Like I said before, I am not making a positive claim Lind is not anti-Semitic to some extent. Indeed, I wouldn\\\'t be surprised if he turned out to be, and the way he phrased himself about Adorno et al (\\\"These guys were all Jewish\\\") could be taken that way. Then again, it doesn\\\'t \\\'\\\'necessarily\\\'\\\' have to be -- the SPLC itself in fact uses almost exactly the same turn of phrase itself when discussing them in your own article: \\\'\\\'Theodor Adorno, Max Horkheimer, and Herbert Marcuse, \\\'\\\'\\\'all Jews\\\'\\\'\\\' who fled Germany and went to Columbia University in the 1930s.\\\'\\\' Surely the SPLC are not being anti-Semitic in so doing, although I can see ways one could perhaps spin the line that way in isolation. Of course, with Lind the context appears different, but we don\\\'t really \\\'\\\'know\\\'\\\' the exact context in which he said his bit, since they only quote that one line. Therefore, I try my best to assume good faith on his part. I usually do, when there is reasonable doubt about whether someone has simply phrased himself poorly.

However that may be, any reasonable estimate will recognize it is still a very long way to go from knee-jerk anti-Semitism and grumbling to \\\'\\\'\\\'advocating genocide of Jews, or holocaust denialism, or claiming that the Jews deserved the holocaust that did happen to them\\\'\\\'\\\' like you falsely and maliciously claimed as fact that Lind did and does, in and outside of his novel \\\'\\\'Victoria\\\'\\\'.

As for your explanation--fair enough. I could say I have good reason not to believe you, given your habit of not-so-subtly calling me a fascist who secretly sympathizes with \\\"ole\\\' Hitler\\\" in these snide little remarks you shove in throughout the rests of your posts, but I choose to assume good faith on your part this time. Just as I do with Lind, and as you very demonstratively refuse to do with either him or me.

And as for your efforts to delete or censor a page based only on lies, defamation and your very obvious and freely confessed political agenda, in contravention of our site\\\'s rules as they stand... well, as you say, we shall see.

Like I said before, I am not making a positive claim Lind is not anti-Semitic to some extent. Indeed, I wouldn\\\'t be surprised if he turned out to be, and the way he phrased himself about Adorno et al (\\\"These guys were all Jewish\\\") could be taken that way. Then again, it doesn\\\'t \\\'\\\'necessarily\\\'\\\' have to be -- the SPLC itself in fact uses almost exactly the same turn of phrase itself when discussing them in your own article: \\\'\\\'Theodor Adorno, Max Horkheimer, and Herbert Marcuse, \\\'\\\'\\\'all Jews\\\'\\\'\\\' who fled Germany and went to Columbia University in the 1930s.\\\'\\\' Surely the SPLC are not being anti-Semitic in so doing, although I can see ways one could perhaps spin it that way. Of course, with Lind the context appears different, but we don\\\'t really \\\'\\\'know\\\'\\\' the exact context in which he said his bit, since they only quote that one line. Therefore, I try my best to assume good faith on his part. I usually do, when there is reasonable doubt about whether someone has simply phrased himself poorly.

However that may be, any reasonable estimate will recognize it is still a very long way to go from knee-jerk anti-Semitism and grumbling to \\\'\\\'\\\'advocating genocide of Jews, or holocaust denialism, or claiming that the Jews deserved the holocaust that did happen to them\\\'\\\'\\\' like you falsely and maliciously claimed as fact that Lind did and does, in and outside of his novel \\\'\\\'Victoria\\\'\\\'.

As for your explanation--fair enough. I could say I have good reason not to believe you, given your habit of not-so-subtly calling me a fascist who secretly sympathizes with \\\"ole\\\' Hitler\\\" in these snide little remarks you shove in throughout the rests of your posts, but I choose to assume good faith on your part this time. Just as I do with Lind, and as you very demonstratively refuse to do with either him or me.

And as for your efforts to delete or censor a page based only on lies, defamation and your very obvious and freely confessed political agenda, in contravention of our site\\\'s rules as they stand... well, as you say, we shall see.

Like I said before, I am not making a positive claim Lind is not anti-Semitic to some extent. Indeed, I wouldn\\\'t be surprised if he turned out to be, and the way he phrased himself about Adorno et al (\\\"These guys were all Jewish\\\") could be taken that way. Then again, it doesn\\\'t \\\'\\\'necessarily\\\'\\\' have to be -- the SPLC itself in fact uses almost exactly the same turn of phrase itself when discussing them in your own article: \\\'\\\'Theodor Adorno, Max Horkheimer, and Herbert Marcuse, \\\'\\\'\\\'all Jews\\\'\\\'\\\' who fled Germany and went to Columbia University in the 1930s.\\\'\\\' Surely the SPLC are not being anti-Semitic in so doing, although I can see ways one could perhaps spin it that way. Of course, with Lind the context appears different, but we don\\\'t really \\\'\\\'know\\\'\\\' the exact context in which he said his bit, since they only quote that one line. Therefore, I try my best to assume good faith on his part. I usually do, when there is reasonable doubt about whether someone has simply phrased himself poorly.

However that may be, any reasonable estimate will recognize it is still a very long way to go from knee-jerk anti-Semitism and grumbling to \\\'\\\'\\\'advocating genocide of Jews, or holocaust denialism, or claiming that the Jews deserved the holocaust that did happen to them\\\'\\\'\\\' like you falsely and maliciously claimed as fact that Lind did and does, in and outside of his novel \\\'\\\'Victoria\\\'\\\'.

As for your explanation--fair enough. I could say I have good reason not to believe you, given your habit of not-so-subtly calling me a fascist who secretly sympathizes with \\\"ole\\\' Hitler\\\" in these snide little remarks you shove in throughout the rests of your posts, but I choose to assume good faith on your part this time. Just as I do with Lind, and as you very demonstratively refuse to do with either him or me.

And as for your efforts to delete or censor a page based only on lies and your very obvious and freely confessed political agenda, in contravention of our site\\\'s rules as they stand... well, as you say, we shall see.