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Body language is not unambiguous, no, but I think it\'s clear in this case that Zed is disbelieving Jay\'s answer. Jay\'s immediate response, \
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Body language is not unambiguous, no, but I think it\\\'s clear in this case that Zed is disbelieving Jay\\\'s answer. Jay\\\'s immediate response, \\\"Or do I owe her an apology?\\\" and \\\"It was a good shot though, right?\\\" indicate that even \\\'\\\'he\\\'\\\' doesn\\\'t really believe his explanation, especially taken with his own body language.
There\\\'s nothing in the scene that indicates Zed approves of Jay\\\'s behavior or his response to the test. If it was really a HiddenPurposeTest, I maintain that he would have shown some small bit of approval. He brings Jay in on the strength of Kay\\\'s testimony.
The other five didn\\\'t get the job because Zed says right at the beginning that they\\\'re only going to take one of them. If you\\\'re only looking for one, and you decide on one, then you just hire that one. So even if all six of them passed with flying colors (and if you\\\'ve got the \\\"best of the best of the best, sir!\\\" you\\\'re going to assume at least a few of them will pass), you\\\'re not going to take five of them.
Tiffany was just the only innocent target we \\\'\\\'saw\\\'\\\', because she was the only one Jay shot in the forehead. LawOfConservationOfDetail: We don\\\'t see the others because they\\\'re not important to the scene.
Scene transitions are not on the same narrative level as hidden motivations for character actions. Things like that \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' typically spelled out eventually, either in the script or through WordOfGod. Remember, this is a movie where, originally, the bugs were going to be starting a war between two \\\'\\\'different\\\'\\\' alien species, but the [[ExecutiveMeddling producers]] felt that [[ViewersAreMorons audiences would be confused]], so why would they leave something like this so ambiguous?
Asking me to show WordOfGod saying that wasn\\\'t the intent is pointless. There wouldn\\\'t be word of god saying something wasn\\\'t their intention, because if they never intended it, it wouldn\\\'t have occurred to them to point it out in the first place; it\\\'s not \\\'\\\'that\\\'\\\' ubiquitous of a trope that its absense is worth noting. However, the \\\'\\\'existance\\\'\\\' of such a trope is the sort of thing that would be pointed out in commentary somewhere, and its lack of evidence in this regard is more telling. Without someone involved with the movie pointing out it \\\'\\\'was\\\'\\\' their intention, \\\'\\\'I\\\'\\\' must conclude your arguments don\\\'t stand up.
As for the compromise, I\\\'ll allow that Jay claimed that, but I\\\'d add that Zed\\\'s response and body language indicate that isn\\\'t the case.
There\\\'s nothing in the scene that indicates Zed approves of Jay\\\'s behavior or his response to the test. If it was really a HiddenPurposeTest, I maintain that he would have shown some small bit of approval. He brings Jay in on the strength of Kay\\\'s testimony.
The other five didn\\\'t get the job because Zed says right at the beginning that they\\\'re only going to take one of them. If you\\\'re only looking for one, and you decide on one, then you just hire that one. So even if all six of them passed with flying colors (and if you\\\'ve got the \\\"best of the best of the best, sir!\\\" you\\\'re going to assume at least a few of them will pass), you\\\'re not going to take five of them.
Tiffany was just the only innocent target we \\\'\\\'saw\\\'\\\', because she was the only one Jay shot in the forehead. LawOfConservationOfDetail: We don\\\'t see the others because they\\\'re not important to the scene.
Scene transitions are not on the same narrative level as hidden motivations for character actions. Things like that \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' typically spelled out eventually, either in the script or through WordOfGod. Remember, this is a movie where, originally, the bugs were going to be starting a war between two \\\'\\\'different\\\'\\\' alien species, but the [[ExecutiveMeddling producers]] felt that [[ViewersAreMorons audiences would be confused]], so why would they leave something like this so ambiguous?
Asking me to show WordOfGod saying that wasn\\\'t the intent is pointless. There wouldn\\\'t be word of god saying something wasn\\\'t their intention, because if they never intended it, it wouldn\\\'t have occurred to them to point it out in the first place; it\\\'s not \\\'\\\'that\\\'\\\' ubiquitous of a trope that its absense is worth noting. However, the \\\'\\\'existance\\\'\\\' of such a trope is the sort of thing that would be pointed out in commentary somewhere, and its lack of evidence in this regard is more telling. Without someone involved with the movie pointing out it \\\'\\\'was\\\'\\\' their intention, \\\'\\\'I\\\'\\\' must conclude your arguments don\\\'t stand up.
As for the compromise, I\\\'ll allow that Jay claimed that, but I\\\'d add that Zed\\\'s response and body language indicate that isn\\\'t the case.
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Body language is not unambiguous, no, but I think it\'s clear in this case that Zed is disbelieving Jay\'s answer. Jay\'s immediate response, \
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Body language is not unambiguous, no, but I think it\\\'s clear in this case that Zed is disbelieving Jay\\\'s answer. Jay\\\'s immediate response, \\\"Or do I owe her an apology?\\\" and \\\"It was a good shot though, right?\\\" indicate that even \\\'\\\'he\\\'\\\' doesn\\\'t really believe his explanation, especially taken with his own body language.
There\\\'s nothing in the scene that indicates Zed approves of Jay\\\'s behavior or his response to the test. If it was really a HiddenPurposeTest, I maintain that he would have shown some small bit of approval. He brings Jay in on the strength of Kay\\\'s testimony.
The other five didn\\\'t get the job because Zed says right at the beginning that they\\\'re only going to take one of them. If you\\\'re only looking for one, and you decide on one, then you just hire that one. So even if all six of them passed with flying colors (and if you\\\'ve got the \\\"best of the best of the best, sir!\\\" you\\\'re going to assume at least a few of them will pass), you\\\'re not going to take five of them.
Tiffany was just the only innocent target we \\\'\\\'saw\\\'\\\', because she was the only one Jay shot in the forehead. LawOfConservationOfDetail: We don\\\'t see the others because they\\\'re not important to the scene.
Scene transitions are not on the same narrative level as hidden motivations for character actions. Things like that \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' typically spelled out eventually, either in the script or through WordOfGod. Remember, this is a movie where, originally, the bugs were going to be starting a war between two \\\'\\\'different\\\'\\\' alien species, but the [[ExecutiveMeddling producers]] felt that [[ViewersAreMorons audiences would be confused]], so why would they leave something like this so ambiguous?
Asking me to show WordOfGod saying that wasn\\\'t the intent is pointless. There wouldn\\\'t be word of god saying something wasn\\\'t their intention, because if they never intended it, it wouldn\\\'t have occurred to them to point it out in the first place; it\\\'s not \\\'\\\'that\\\'\\\' ubiquitous of a trope that its absense is worth noting. However, the \\\'\\\'existance\\\'\\\' of such a trope is the sort of thing that would be pointed out in commentary somewhere, and its lack of evidence in this regard is more telling. Without someone involved with the movie pointing out it \\\'\\\'was\\\'\\\' their intention, \\\'\\\'I\\\'\\\' must conclude your arguments don\\\'t stand up.
As for the compromise, I\\\'ll allow that Jay claimed that, but I\\\'d add that Zed\\\'s body language indicates that isn\\\'t the case.
There\\\'s nothing in the scene that indicates Zed approves of Jay\\\'s behavior or his response to the test. If it was really a HiddenPurposeTest, I maintain that he would have shown some small bit of approval. He brings Jay in on the strength of Kay\\\'s testimony.
The other five didn\\\'t get the job because Zed says right at the beginning that they\\\'re only going to take one of them. If you\\\'re only looking for one, and you decide on one, then you just hire that one. So even if all six of them passed with flying colors (and if you\\\'ve got the \\\"best of the best of the best, sir!\\\" you\\\'re going to assume at least a few of them will pass), you\\\'re not going to take five of them.
Tiffany was just the only innocent target we \\\'\\\'saw\\\'\\\', because she was the only one Jay shot in the forehead. LawOfConservationOfDetail: We don\\\'t see the others because they\\\'re not important to the scene.
Scene transitions are not on the same narrative level as hidden motivations for character actions. Things like that \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' typically spelled out eventually, either in the script or through WordOfGod. Remember, this is a movie where, originally, the bugs were going to be starting a war between two \\\'\\\'different\\\'\\\' alien species, but the [[ExecutiveMeddling producers]] felt that [[ViewersAreMorons audiences would be confused]], so why would they leave something like this so ambiguous?
Asking me to show WordOfGod saying that wasn\\\'t the intent is pointless. There wouldn\\\'t be word of god saying something wasn\\\'t their intention, because if they never intended it, it wouldn\\\'t have occurred to them to point it out in the first place; it\\\'s not \\\'\\\'that\\\'\\\' ubiquitous of a trope that its absense is worth noting. However, the \\\'\\\'existance\\\'\\\' of such a trope is the sort of thing that would be pointed out in commentary somewhere, and its lack of evidence in this regard is more telling. Without someone involved with the movie pointing out it \\\'\\\'was\\\'\\\' their intention, \\\'\\\'I\\\'\\\' must conclude your arguments don\\\'t stand up.
As for the compromise, I\\\'ll allow that Jay claimed that, but I\\\'d add that Zed\\\'s body language indicates that isn\\\'t the case.
