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Crazysamaritan, I get the impression that I'm not explaining myself as clearly as I want to be. I'm simply regarding Belle from a narrative standpoint, not disputing that a person has the freedom of association with whomever they wish or not wish to associate.
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Crazysamaritan, I get the impression that I\'m not explaining myself as clearly as I want to be. I\'m simply regarding Belle from a narrative standpoint, not disputing that a person has the freedom of association with whomever they may wish or not wish to associate.
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Perhaps contrasting her two interactions with Gaston in the opening of the movie would demonstrate the point I'm trying to get across here. When he offers her flowers and asks to have dinner with her, she simply refuses him, which does not contrast with the narrative. When he approaches her again, and she rejects him again, it is her reaction afterward (the musical number, Belle reprised) that does not seem to flow from the narrative (though, again, her rejection itself sounds perfectly normal and fits very well with the tone set so far between the two characters). Her voice is dripping with venom and her lines have not been changed from the animated version. In that version, she says
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Perhaps contrasting her two interactions with Gaston in the opening of the movie would demonstrate the point I\'m trying to get across here. When he offers her flowers and asks to have dinner with her, she simply refuses him, which does not contrast with the narrative. When he approaches her again, and she rejects him again, it is her reaction afterward (the musical number, Belle reprised) that does not seem to flow from the narrative (though, again, her rejection itself sounds perfectly normal and fits very well with the tone set so far between the two characters). Her voice is dripping with venom and her lines have not been changed from the animated version. In that version, she says \"\'Madame Gaston!\' His \'little wife\'
No sir! Not me!\" which is a response to his line \"My little wife, massaging my feet.\" Here, he\'s never said anything like that, so the line, and the attitude simply feels out of place. In the animated version, she sounds (to my ears) to be more exasperated with him than disgusted. If you swapped them around (animated Belle being disgusted and the new Belle being exasperated), I think it would fit the narrative better.
To the general point of Gaston\'s characterization, I\'ve found reviewers for various publications that seem to agree with the perspective I\'ve been trying to offer:
http://www.thisisinsider.com/beauty-and-the-beast-live-action-movie-vs-animated-2017-3
http://observer.com/2017/03/beauty-and-the-beast-changes-dan-stevens-emma-watson/
The piece from Observer, I think, aligns most closely with my perspective and covers almost all the points I\'ve been trying to make (I thought of quoting choice bits, but I can\'t bear to cut out any of the bits from the Gaston section):
- Gaston starts off feeling like a lead from a Rom-Com, not an overbearing brute.
- Belle insisting Gaston can\'t change undercuts the theme of the movie, even though she has every right to do so.
- Belle and Maurice are antagonistic to Gaston before he\'s done anything antagonistic to them.
- The movie overcompensates for the earlier \'normalization\' of his character by adding the \'leave Maurice to die in the woods\' scene.
If anyone has any particular suggestions for best tropes to use to describe this overall characterization, I am absolutely all ears.
No sir! Not me!\" which is a response to his line \"My little wife, massaging my feet.\" Here, he\'s never said anything like that, so the line, and the attitude simply feels out of place. In the animated version, she sounds (to my ears) to be more exasperated with him than disgusted. If you swapped them around (animated Belle being disgusted and the new Belle being exasperated), I think it would fit the narrative better.
To the general point of Gaston\'s characterization, I\'ve found reviewers for various publications that seem to agree with the perspective I\'ve been trying to offer:
http://www.thisisinsider.com/beauty-and-the-beast-live-action-movie-vs-animated-2017-3
http://observer.com/2017/03/beauty-and-the-beast-changes-dan-stevens-emma-watson/
The piece from Observer, I think, aligns most closely with my perspective and covers almost all the points I\'ve been trying to make (I thought of quoting choice bits, but I can\'t bear to cut out any of the bits from the Gaston section):
- Gaston starts off feeling like a lead from a Rom-Com, not an overbearing brute.
- Belle insisting Gaston can\'t change undercuts the theme of the movie, even though she has every right to do so.
- Belle and Maurice are antagonistic to Gaston before he\'s done anything antagonistic to them.
- The movie overcompensates for the earlier \'normalization\' of his character by adding the \'leave Maurice to die in the woods\' scene.
If anyone has any particular suggestions for best tropes to use to describe this overall characterization, I am absolutely all ears.
