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As may be, but that still doesn't refute my argument, that his supposedly *more* heroic actions are still an act as they don't stem from (*more*) heroic motives but pure selfishness (which may not be villainous but still not '''more''' heroic) and that Gaston still remains a psychopath.
What you call more sympathetic is what I'd call more realistically drawn and what I initially meant with fleshed out. He may not have started out as a villain but neither has his animated counterpart. The animated Gaston was more unilkable perhaps, more obviously mysoginistic, but not a villain (though doubtless not a good guy either). But since his motives stem from pure self-interest even in the first half of the movie that's still not enough for it to be AdaptationalHeroism.
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As may be, but that still doesn\'t refute my argument, that his supposedly *more* heroic actions are still an act as they don\'t stem from (*more*) heroic motives but pure selfishness (which may not be villainous but still not \'\'\'more\'\'\' heroic) and that Gaston still remains a psychopath.
What you call more sympathetic is what I\'d call more realistically drawn and what I initially meant with fleshed out. He may not have started out as a villain but neither has his animated counterpart. The animated Gaston was more unlikeable perhaps, more obviously mysoginistic, but not a villain (though doubtless not a good guy either). But since his motives stem from pure self-interest even in the first half of the movie that\'s still not enough for it to be AdaptationalHeroism.
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Exactly how is that better? Yes, he wouldn't have had Maurice killed had he given him his blessings, but that's something hard to compare to the original, as Maurice never was a character whose blessings (had he given them) would have had much value to anyone. And Gaston in the original never acutally plotted to have him killed. He wanted to have him committed to blackmail Belle into marrying him, and probably would have released him had she said yes.
Luke Evans Gaston knocked Maurice out cold (clearly showing how much he cared for what he thought would be his father-in-law), tied him to a tree to freeze to death or be eaten by wolves, and initially wanted him to die in an asylum so he could be the only person left caring for Belle (though admittedly he left him the loophole his animated counterpart left Belle), showing once again how well he knew his supposedly loved one, as Belle would rather go on the streets begging than be his wife. And while his initial plan didn't involve having Maurice killed (or thrown out into the cold) him doing so without batting an eye (or listening to Lefou, his oldest friend) doesn't really speak in his favor and betraying his best friend even less.
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Exactly how is that better? Yes, he wouldn\'t have had Maurice killed had he given him his blessings, but that\'s something hard to compare to the original, as Maurice never was a character whose blessings (had he given them) would have had much value to anyone. And Gaston in the original never acutally plotted to have him killed. He wanted to have him committed to blackmail Belle into marrying him, and probably would have released him had she said yes.
Luke Evans Gaston knocked Maurice out cold (clearly showing how much he cared for what he thought would be his father-in-law), tied him to a tree to freeze to death or be eaten by wolves, and initially wanted him to die in an asylum so he could be the only person left caring for Belle (though admittedly he left him the loophole his animated counterpart left Belle), showing once again how well he knew his supposedly loved one, as Belle would rather go on the streets begging than be his wife. And while his initial plan didn\'t involve having Maurice killed (or thrown out into the cold) him doing so without batting an eye (or listening to Lefou, his oldest friend) doesn\'t really speak in his favor and betraying his best friend even less.
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Well no, actually at the start of the movie the prince as a beast was still a good deal more proud than he should have been, initially viewing Belle as beneath him. Certainly did the curse humble him a bit, but it was mainly his interaction with Belle that brought out his better side. And Gaston being the psychopath that he is, there's really no telling that he would have followed in Beast's shoes had he been cursed.
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Well no, actually at the start of the movie the prince as a beast was still a good deal more proud than he should have been, initially viewing Belle as beneath him. Certainly did the curse humble him a bit, but it was mainly his interaction with Belle that brought out his better side. And Gaston being the psychopath that he is, there\'s really no telling that he would have followed in Beast\'s shoes had he been cursed.
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As may be, but that still doesn't refute my argument, that his supposedly *more* heroic actions are still an act as they don't from (*more*) heroic motives but pure selfishness (which may not be villainous but still not '''more''' heroic) and that Gaston still remains a psychopath.
What you call more sympathetic is what I'd call more realistically drawn and what I initially meant with fleshed out. He may not have started out as a villain but neither has his animated counterpart. The animated Gaston was more unilkable perhaps, more obviously mysoginistic, but not a villain (though doubtless not a good guy either). But since his motives stem from pure self-interest even in the first half of the movie that's still not enough for it to be AdaptationalHeroism.
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As may be, but that still doesn\'t refute my argument, that his supposedly *more* heroic actions are still an act as they don\'t stem from (*more*) heroic motives but pure selfishness (which may not be villainous but still not \'\'\'more\'\'\' heroic) and that Gaston still remains a psychopath.
What you call more sympathetic is what I\'d call more realistically drawn and what I initially meant with fleshed out. He may not have started out as a villain but neither has his animated counterpart. The animated Gaston was more unilkable perhaps, more obviously mysoginistic, but not a villain (though doubtless not a good guy either). But since his motives stem from pure self-interest even in the first half of the movie that\'s still not enough for it to be AdaptationalHeroism.
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Exactly how is that better? Yes, he wouldn't have Maurice killed had he given him his blessings, but that's something hard to compare to the original, as Maurice never was a character whose blessings (had he given them) would have much value to anyone. And Gaston in the original never acutally plotted to have him killed. He wanted to have him committed to blackmail Belle into marrying him, and probably would have released him had she said yes.
Luke Evans Gaston knocked Maurice out cold (clearly showing how much he cared for what he thought would be his father-in-law), tied him to a tree to freeze to death or being eaten by wolves, and initially wanted him to die in an asylum so he could be the only person left caring for Belle (though admittedly he left him the loophole his animated counterpart left Belle), showing once again how well he knew his supposedly loved one, as Belle would rather go on the streets begging than be his wife. And while his initial plan didn't involve having Maurice killed (or thrown out into the cold) him doing so without batting an eye (or listening to Lefou, his oldest friend) doesn't really speak in his favor and betraying his best friend even less.
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Exactly how is that better? Yes, he wouldn\'t have had Maurice killed had he given him his blessings, but that\'s something hard to compare to the original, as Maurice never was a character whose blessings (had he given them) would have had much value to anyone. And Gaston in the original never acutally plotted to have him killed. He wanted to have him committed to blackmail Belle into marrying him, and probably would have released him had she said yes.
Luke Evans Gaston knocked Maurice out cold (clearly showing how much he cared for what he thought would be his father-in-law), tied him to a tree to freeze to death or be eaten by wolves, and initially wanted him to die in an asylum so he could be the only person left caring for Belle (though admittedly he left him the loophole his animated counterpart left Belle), showing once again how well he knew his supposedly loved one, as Belle would rather go on the streets begging than be his wife. And while his initial plan didn\'t involve having Maurice killed (or thrown out into the cold) him doing so without batting an eye (or listening to Lefou, his oldest friend) doesn\'t really speak in his favor and betraying his best friend even less.
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Well no, actually at the start of the movie the prince as a beast was still a good deal more proud than he should have been, initially viewing Belle as beneath him. Surely the curse did humble him a bit, but it was mainly his interaction with Belle that brought out his better side. And Gaston being the psychopath that he is, there's really no telling that he would have followed in Beast's shoes had he been cursed.
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Well no, actually at the start of the movie the prince as a beast was still a good deal more proud than he should have been, initially viewing Belle as beneath him. Certainly did the curse humble him a bit, but it was mainly his interaction with Belle that brought out his better side. And Gaston being the psychopath that he is, there\'s really no telling that he would have followed in Beast\'s shoes had he been cursed.
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As may be, but that still doesn't refute my argument, that his supposedly *more* heroic actions are still an act as they don't stem out of (*more*) heroic motives but pure selfishness (which may not be villainous but still not '''more''' heroic) and that Gaston still remains a psychopath.
What you call more sympathetic is what I'd call more realistically drawn and what I initially meant with fleshed out. He may not have started out as a villain but neither has his animated counterpart. The animated Gaston was more unilkable perhaps, more obviously mysoginistic, but not a villain (though doubtless not a good guy either). But since his motives stem from pure self-interest even in the first half of the movie that's still not enough for it to be AdaptationalHeroism.
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As may be, but that still doesn\'t refute my argument, that his supposedly *more* heroic actions are still an act as they don\'t from (*more*) heroic motives but pure selfishness (which may not be villainous but still not \'\'\'more\'\'\' heroic) and that Gaston still remains a psychopath.
What you call more sympathetic is what I\'d call more realistically drawn and what I initially meant with fleshed out. He may not have started out as a villain but neither has his animated counterpart. The animated Gaston was more unilkable perhaps, more obviously mysoginistic, but not a villain (though doubtless not a good guy either). But since his motives stem from pure self-interest even in the first half of the movie that\'s still not enough for it to be AdaptationalHeroism.
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Exactly how is that better? Yes, he wouldn't have Maurice killed had he given him his blessings, but that's something hard to compare to the original, as Maurice never was a character whose blessings (had he given them) would have much value to anyone. And Gaston in the original never acutally plotted to have him killed. He wanted to have him committed to blackmail Belle into marrying him, and probably would have released him had she said yes.
Luke Evans Gaston knocked Maurice out cold (clearly showing how much he cared for what he thought would be his father-in-law), tied him to a tree to freeze to death or being eaten by wolves, and initially wanted him to die in an asylum so he could be the only person left caring for Belle (though admittedly he left him the loophole his animated counterpart left Belle), showing once again how well he knew his supposedly loved one, as Belle would rather go on the streets begging than be his wife. And while his initial plan didn't involve having Maurice killed (or thrown out into the cold) him doing so without batting an eye (or listening to Lefou, his oldest friend) doesn't really speak in his favor and betraying his best friend even less.
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Exactly how is that better? Yes, he wouldn\'t have Maurice killed had he given him his blessings, but that\'s something hard to compare to the original, as Maurice never was a character whose blessings (had he given them) would have much value to anyone. And Gaston in the original never acutally plotted to have him killed. He wanted to have him committed to blackmail Belle into marrying him, and probably would have released him had she said yes.
Luke Evans Gaston knocked Maurice out cold (clearly showing how much he cared for what he thought would be his father-in-law), tied him to a tree to freeze to death or being eaten by wolves, and initially wanted him to die in an asylum so he could be the only person left caring for Belle (though admittedly he left him the loophole his animated counterpart left Belle), showing once again how well he knew his supposedly loved one, as Belle would rather go on the streets begging than be his wife. And while his initial plan didn\'t involve having Maurice killed (or thrown out into the cold) him doing so without batting an eye (or listening to Lefou, his oldest friend) doesn\'t really speak in his favor and betraying his best friend even less.
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Well no, actually at the start of the movie the prince as a beast was still a good deal more proud than he should have been, initially viewing Belle as beneath him. Surely the curse did humble him a bit, but it was mainly his interaction with Belle that brought out his better side. And Gaston being the psychopath that he is, there's really no telling that he would have followed in Beast's shoes had he been cursed.
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Well no, actually at the start of the movie the prince as a beast was still a good deal more proud than he should have been, initially viewing Belle as beneath him. Surely the curse did humble him a bit, but it was mainly his interaction with Belle that brought out his better side. And Gaston being the psychopath that he is, there\'s really no telling that he would have followed in Beast\'s shoes had he been cursed.
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