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\"The Kushina=Kishi\'s wife was made during the Road to Ninja interview. Let me know if you can\'t find it and i\'ll post a link \"
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFallacies logical fallacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"), your Batman example is confounding the whole definition of it and has nothing to do with the topic. Now, with that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: [[RomanticFalseLead Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest]] based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, [[WordOfGod the author comes out and explicitly says]] that [[IntendedAudienceReaction it\'s all according to his plan]] and that he [[TrollingCreator deliberately planted those clues to mislead]]. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
For the record: The name of the trope of the parents meeting the love interest is MeetTheInLaws, but for Naruto it would actually be a [[SubvertedTrope subversion]] of it, if anything.
The truth as it\'s presented by the canon is that Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
So no, actually I have no reasons to doubt that Kishimoto is telling the truth about his red herring claim. Your arguments for denying it boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), [[ChewbaccaDefense baffling statements]] and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
If despite everything, you still choose not to believe Kishimoto, [[DeathOfTheAuthor feel free to continue doing it by all means]], but it will always be [[YMMV/HomePage a matter of personal opinion]] that\'s not backed by hard facts nor reflects what the rest of the fandom think. So please, don\'t come and try to push your opinions as fact to those who do acknowledge the canon and what the [[WordOfGod author himself explicitly says]].
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFallacies logical fallacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"), your Batman example is confounding the whole definition of it and has nothing to do with the topic. Now, with that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: [[RomanticFalseLead Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest]] based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, [[WordOfGod the author comes out and explicitly says]] that [[IntendedAudienceReaction it\'s all according to his plan]] and that he [[TrollingCreator deliberately planted those clues to mislead]]. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
For the record: The name of the trope of the parents meeting the love interest is MeetTheInLaws, but for Naruto it would actually be a [[SubvertedTrope subversion]] of it, if anything.
The truth as it\'s presented by the canon is that Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
So no, actually I have no reasons to doubt that Kishimoto is telling the truth about his red herring claim. Your arguments for denying it boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), [[ChewbaccaDefense baffling statements]] and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
If despite everything, you still choose not to believe Kishimoto, [[DeathOfTheAuthor feel free to continue doing it by all means]], but it will always be [[YMMV/HomePage a matter of personal opinion]] that\'s not backed by hard facts nor reflects what the rest of the fandom think. So please, don\'t come and try to push your opinions as fact to those who do acknowledge the canon and what the [[WordOfGod author himself explicitly says]].
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
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\"The Kushina=Kishi\'s wife was made during the Road to Ninja interview. Let me know if you can\'t find it and i\'ll post a link \"
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFallacies logical fallacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"), your Batman example is confounding the whole definition of it and has nothing to do with the topic. Now, with that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: [[RomanticFalseLead Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest]] based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, [[WordOfGod the author comes out and explicitly says]] that [[IntendedAudienceReaction it\'s all according to his plan]] and that he [[TrollingCreator deliberately planted those clues to mislead]]. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
For the record: The name of the trope of the parents meeting the love interest is MeetTheInLaws, but for Naruto it would actually be a [[SubvertedTrope subversion]] of it, if anything.
The truth as it\'s presented by the canon is that Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
So no, actually I have no reasons to doubt that Kishimoto is telling the truth about his red herring claim. Your arguments for denying it boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), [[ChewbaccaDefense baffling statements]] and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
If despite everything, you still choose not to believe Kishimoto, [[DeathOfTheAuthor feel free to continue doing it by all means]], but it will always be a matter of personal opinion that\'s not backed by the facts nor reflects what the rest of the fandom think. So please, don\'t come and try to push your opinions as fact to those who do acknowledge the canon and what the [[WordOfGod author himself explicitly says]].
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFallacies logical fallacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"), your Batman example is confounding the whole definition of it and has nothing to do with the topic. Now, with that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: [[RomanticFalseLead Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest]] based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, [[WordOfGod the author comes out and explicitly says]] that [[IntendedAudienceReaction it\'s all according to his plan]] and that he [[TrollingCreator deliberately planted those clues to mislead]]. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
For the record: The name of the trope of the parents meeting the love interest is MeetTheInLaws, but for Naruto it would actually be a [[SubvertedTrope subversion]] of it, if anything.
The truth as it\'s presented by the canon is that Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
So no, actually I have no reasons to doubt that Kishimoto is telling the truth about his red herring claim. Your arguments for denying it boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), [[ChewbaccaDefense baffling statements]] and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
If despite everything, you still choose not to believe Kishimoto, [[DeathOfTheAuthor feel free to continue doing it by all means]], but it will always be a matter of personal opinion that\'s not backed by the facts nor reflects what the rest of the fandom think. So please, don\'t come and try to push your opinions as fact to those who do acknowledge the canon and what the [[WordOfGod author himself explicitly says]].
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
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\"The Kushina=Kishi\'s wife was made during the Road to Ninja interview. Let me know if you can\'t find it and i\'ll post a link \"
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFallacies logical fallacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"), your Batman example is confounding the whole definition of it and has nothing to do with the topic. Now, with that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: [[RomanticFalseLead Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest]] based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, [[WordOfGod the author comes out and explicitly says]] that [[IntendedAudienceReaction it\'s all according to his plan]] and that he [[TrollingCreator deliberately planted those clues to mislead]]. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
For the record: The name of the trope of the parents meeting the love interest is MeetTheInLaws, but for Naruto it would actually be a [[SubvertedTrope subversion]] of it, if anything.
The truth as it\'s presented by the canon is that Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
So no, actually I have no reasons to doubt that Kishimoto is telling the truth about his red herring claim. Your arguments for denying it boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), [[ChewbaccaDefense baffling statements]] and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
If despite everything, you still choose not to believe Kishimoto, [[DeathOfTheAuthor feel free to continue doing it by all means]], but it will always be a matter of personal opinion that doesn\'t reflect what the rest of the fandom think. So please, don\'t come and try to push your opinions as fact to those who do acknowledge the canon and what the [[WordOfGod author himself explicitly says]].
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFallacies logical fallacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"), your Batman example is confounding the whole definition of it and has nothing to do with the topic. Now, with that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: [[RomanticFalseLead Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest]] based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, [[WordOfGod the author comes out and explicitly says]] that [[IntendedAudienceReaction it\'s all according to his plan]] and that he [[TrollingCreator deliberately planted those clues to mislead]]. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
For the record: The name of the trope of the parents meeting the love interest is MeetTheInLaws, but for Naruto it would actually be a [[SubvertedTrope subversion]] of it, if anything.
The truth as it\'s presented by the canon is that Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
So no, actually I have no reasons to doubt that Kishimoto is telling the truth about his red herring claim. Your arguments for denying it boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), [[ChewbaccaDefense baffling statements]] and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
If despite everything, you still choose not to believe Kishimoto, [[DeathOfTheAuthor feel free to continue doing it by all means]], but it will always be a matter of personal opinion that doesn\'t reflect what the rest of the fandom think. So please, don\'t come and try to push your opinions as fact to those who do acknowledge the canon and what the [[WordOfGod author himself explicitly says]].
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
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Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFallacies logical fallacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"), your Batman example is confounding the whole definition of it and has nothing to do with the topic. Now, with that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: [[RomanticFalseLead Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest]] based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, [[WordOfGod the author comes out and explicitly says]] that [[IntendedAudienceReaction it\'s all according to his plan]] and that he [[TrollingCreator deliberately planted those clues to mislead]]. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth as it\'s presented by the canon is that Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
So no, actually I have no reasons to doubt that Kishimoto is telling the truth about his red herring claim. Your arguments for denying it boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), [[ChewbaccaDefense baffling statements]] and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
If despite everything, you still choose not to believe Kishimoto, [[DeathOfTheAuthor feel free to continue doing it by all means]], but it will always be a matter of personal opinion that doesn\'t reflect what the rest of the fandom think. So please, don\'t come and try to push your opinions as fact to those who do acknowledge the canon and what the [[WordOfGod author himself explicitly says]].
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFallacies logical fallacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"), your Batman example is confounding the whole definition of it and has nothing to do with the topic. Now, with that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: [[RomanticFalseLead Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest]] based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, [[WordOfGod the author comes out and explicitly says]] that [[IntendedAudienceReaction it\'s all according to his plan]] and that he [[TrollingCreator deliberately planted those clues to mislead]]. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth as it\'s presented by the canon is that Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
So no, actually I have no reasons to doubt that Kishimoto is telling the truth about his red herring claim. Your arguments for denying it boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), [[ChewbaccaDefense baffling statements]] and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
If despite everything, you still choose not to believe Kishimoto, [[DeathOfTheAuthor feel free to continue doing it by all means]], but it will always be a matter of personal opinion that doesn\'t reflect what the rest of the fandom think. So please, don\'t come and try to push your opinions as fact to those who do acknowledge the canon and what the [[WordOfGod author himself explicitly says]].
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
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\"The Kushina=Kishi\'s wife was made during the Road to Ninja interview. Let me know if you can\'t find it and i\'ll post a link \"
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFallacies logical fallacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"), your Batman example is confounding the whole definition of it. Now, with that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: [[RomanticFalseLead Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest]] based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, [[WordOfGod the author comes out and explicitly says]] that [[IntendedAudienceReaction it\'s all according to his plan]] and that he [[TrollingCreator deliberately planted those clues to mislead]]. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth as it\'s presented by the canon is that Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
So no, actually I have no reasons to doubt that Kishimoto is telling the truth about his red herring claim. Your arguments for denying it boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), [[ChewbaccaDefense baffling statements]] and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
If despite everything, you still choose not to believe Kishimoto, [[DeathOfTheAuthor feel free to continue doing it by all means]], but it will always be a matter of personal opinion that doesn\'t reflect what the rest of the fandom think. So please, don\'t come and try to push your opinions as fact to those who do acknowledge the canon and what the [[WordOfGod author himself explicitly says]].
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFallacies logical fallacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"), your Batman example is confounding the whole definition of it. Now, with that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: [[RomanticFalseLead Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest]] based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, [[WordOfGod the author comes out and explicitly says]] that [[IntendedAudienceReaction it\'s all according to his plan]] and that he [[TrollingCreator deliberately planted those clues to mislead]]. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth as it\'s presented by the canon is that Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
So no, actually I have no reasons to doubt that Kishimoto is telling the truth about his red herring claim. Your arguments for denying it boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), [[ChewbaccaDefense baffling statements]] and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
If despite everything, you still choose not to believe Kishimoto, [[DeathOfTheAuthor feel free to continue doing it by all means]], but it will always be a matter of personal opinion that doesn\'t reflect what the rest of the fandom think. So please, don\'t come and try to push your opinions as fact to those who do acknowledge the canon and what the [[WordOfGod author himself explicitly says]].
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
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\"The Kushina=Kishi\'s wife was made during the Road to Ninja interview. Let me know if you can\'t find it and i\'ll post a link \"
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFallacies logical fallacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"), your Batman example is confounding the whole definition of it. Now, with that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: [[RomanticFalseLead Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest]] based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, [[WordOfGod the author comes out and explicitly says]] that [[IntendedAudienceReaction it\'s all according to his plan]] and that he [[TrollingCreator deliberately planted those clues to mislead]]. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth as it\'s presented by the canon is that Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
So no, actually I have no reasons to doubt that Kishimoto is telling the truth about his red herring claim. Your arguments for denying it boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), [[ChewbaccaDefense baffling statements]] and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
You can still choose [[DeathOfTheAuthor not to believe Kishimoto]], but it will always be a matter of personal opinion that doesn\'t reflect what the rest of the fandom think. So please, don\'t come and try to push your opinions as fact to those who do acknowledge the canon and what the [[WordOfGod author himself explicitly says]].
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFallacies logical fallacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"), your Batman example is confounding the whole definition of it. Now, with that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: [[RomanticFalseLead Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest]] based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, [[WordOfGod the author comes out and explicitly says]] that [[IntendedAudienceReaction it\'s all according to his plan]] and that he [[TrollingCreator deliberately planted those clues to mislead]]. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth as it\'s presented by the canon is that Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
So no, actually I have no reasons to doubt that Kishimoto is telling the truth about his red herring claim. Your arguments for denying it boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), [[ChewbaccaDefense baffling statements]] and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
You can still choose [[DeathOfTheAuthor not to believe Kishimoto]], but it will always be a matter of personal opinion that doesn\'t reflect what the rest of the fandom think. So please, don\'t come and try to push your opinions as fact to those who do acknowledge the canon and what the [[WordOfGod author himself explicitly says]].
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
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Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFallacies logical fallacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"). With that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: [[RomanticFalseLead Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest]] based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, [[WordOfGod the author comes out and explicitly says]] that [[IntendedAudienceReaction it\'s all according to his plan]] and that he [[TrollingCreator deliberately planted those clues to mislead]]. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth as it\'s presented by the canon is that Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
So no, actually I have no reasons to doubt that Kishimoto is telling the truth about his red herring claim. Your arguments for denying it boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), [[ChewbaccaDefense baffling statements]] and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
You can still choose [[DeathOfTheAuthor not to believe Kishimoto]], but it will always be a matter of personal opinion that doesn\'t reflect what the rest of the fandom think. So please, don\'t come and try to push your opinions as fact to those who do acknowledge the canon and what the [[WordOfGod author himself explicitly says]].
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFallacies logical fallacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"). With that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: [[RomanticFalseLead Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest]] based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, [[WordOfGod the author comes out and explicitly says]] that [[IntendedAudienceReaction it\'s all according to his plan]] and that he [[TrollingCreator deliberately planted those clues to mislead]]. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth as it\'s presented by the canon is that Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
So no, actually I have no reasons to doubt that Kishimoto is telling the truth about his red herring claim. Your arguments for denying it boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), [[ChewbaccaDefense baffling statements]] and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
You can still choose [[DeathOfTheAuthor not to believe Kishimoto]], but it will always be a matter of personal opinion that doesn\'t reflect what the rest of the fandom think. So please, don\'t come and try to push your opinions as fact to those who do acknowledge the canon and what the [[WordOfGod author himself explicitly says]].
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
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\"The Kushina=Kishi\'s wife was made during the Road to Ninja interview. Let me know if you can\'t find it and i\'ll post a link \"
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFallacies logical fallacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"). With that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: [[RomanticFalseLead Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest]] based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, [[WordOfGod the author comes out and explicitly says]] that [[IntendedAudienceReaction it\'s all according to his plan]] and that he [[TrollingCreator deliberately planted those clues to mislead]]. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth is Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
So no, actually I have no reasons to doubt that Kishimoto is telling the truth about his red herring claim. Your arguments for denying it boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), [[ChewbaccaDefense baffling statements]] and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
You can still choose [[DeathOfTheAuthor not to believe Kishimoto]], but it will always be a matter of personal opinion that doesn\'t reflect what the rest of the fandom think. So please, don\'t come and try to push your opinions as fact to those who do acknowledge the canon and what the [[WordOfGod author himself explicitly says]].
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFallacies logical fallacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"). With that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: [[RomanticFalseLead Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest]] based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, [[WordOfGod the author comes out and explicitly says]] that [[IntendedAudienceReaction it\'s all according to his plan]] and that he [[TrollingCreator deliberately planted those clues to mislead]]. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth is Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
So no, actually I have no reasons to doubt that Kishimoto is telling the truth about his red herring claim. Your arguments for denying it boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), [[ChewbaccaDefense baffling statements]] and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
You can still choose [[DeathOfTheAuthor not to believe Kishimoto]], but it will always be a matter of personal opinion that doesn\'t reflect what the rest of the fandom think. So please, don\'t come and try to push your opinions as fact to those who do acknowledge the canon and what the [[WordOfGod author himself explicitly says]].
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
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\"The Kushina=Kishi\'s wife was made during the Road to Ninja interview. Let me know if you can\'t find it and i\'ll post a link \"
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFallacies logical fallacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"). With that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: [[RomanticFalseLead Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest]] based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, the author comes out and explicitly says that it\'s all according to his plan and that he deliberately planted those clues to mislead. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth is Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
So no, actually I have no reasons to doubt that Kishimoto is telling the truth about his red herring claim. Your arguments for denying it boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), [[ChewbaccaDefense baffling statements]] and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
You can still choose [[DeathOfTheAuthor not to believe Kishimoto]], but it will always be a matter of personal opinion that doesn\'t reflect what the rest of the fandom think. So please, don\'t come and try to push your opinions as fact to those who do acknowledge the canon and what the [[WordOfGod author himself explicitly says]].
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFallacies logical fallacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"). With that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: [[RomanticFalseLead Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest]] based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, the author comes out and explicitly says that it\'s all according to his plan and that he deliberately planted those clues to mislead. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth is Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
So no, actually I have no reasons to doubt that Kishimoto is telling the truth about his red herring claim. Your arguments for denying it boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), [[ChewbaccaDefense baffling statements]] and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
You can still choose [[DeathOfTheAuthor not to believe Kishimoto]], but it will always be a matter of personal opinion that doesn\'t reflect what the rest of the fandom think. So please, don\'t come and try to push your opinions as fact to those who do acknowledge the canon and what the [[WordOfGod author himself explicitly says]].
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
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\"The Kushina=Kishi\'s wife was made during the Road to Ninja interview. Let me know if you can\'t find it and i\'ll post a link \"
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFallacies logical fallacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"). With that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: [[RomanticFalseLead Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest]] based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, the author comes out and explicitly says that it\'s all according to his plan and that he deliberately planted those clues to mislead. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth is Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
So no, actually I have no reasons to doubt that Kishimoto is telling the truth about his red herring claim. Your arguments for denying it boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), [[ChewbaccaDefense baffling statements]] and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
You can still choose not to believe Kishimoto, but it will always be a matter of personal opinion that doesn\'t reflect what the rest of the fandom think. So please, don\'t come and try to push your opinions as fact to those who do acknowledge the canon and what the [[WordOfGod author himself explicitly says]].
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFallacies logical fallacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"). With that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: [[RomanticFalseLead Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest]] based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, the author comes out and explicitly says that it\'s all according to his plan and that he deliberately planted those clues to mislead. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth is Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
So no, actually I have no reasons to doubt that Kishimoto is telling the truth about his red herring claim. Your arguments for denying it boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), [[ChewbaccaDefense baffling statements]] and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
You can still choose not to believe Kishimoto, but it will always be a matter of personal opinion that doesn\'t reflect what the rest of the fandom think. So please, don\'t come and try to push your opinions as fact to those who do acknowledge the canon and what the [[WordOfGod author himself explicitly says]].
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
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\"The Kushina=Kishi\'s wife was made during the Road to Ninja interview. Let me know if you can\'t find it and i\'ll post a link \"
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFallacies logical fallacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"). With that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: [[RomanticFalseLead Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest]] based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, the author comes out and explicitly says that it\'s all according to his plan and that he deliberately planted those clues to mislead. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth is Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
So no, actually I have no reasons to doubt that Kishimoto is telling the truth about his red herring claim. Your arguments for denying it boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), [[ChewbaccaDefense baffling statements]] and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
You can still choose not to believe Kishimoto, but it will always be a matter of personal opinion that doesn\'t reflect what the rest of the fandom think. So please, don\'t come and try to push your opinions as fact to those who do acknowledge the canon and what the [[WordOfGod author himself says]].
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFallacies logical fallacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"). With that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: [[RomanticFalseLead Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest]] based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, the author comes out and explicitly says that it\'s all according to his plan and that he deliberately planted those clues to mislead. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth is Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
So no, actually I have no reasons to doubt that Kishimoto is telling the truth about his red herring claim. Your arguments for denying it boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), [[ChewbaccaDefense baffling statements]] and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
You can still choose not to believe Kishimoto, but it will always be a matter of personal opinion that doesn\'t reflect what the rest of the fandom think. So please, don\'t come and try to push your opinions as fact to those who do acknowledge the canon and what the [[WordOfGod author himself says]].
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
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\"The Kushina=Kishi\'s wife was made during the Road to Ninja interview. Let me know if you can\'t find it and i\'ll post a link \"
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFallacies logical fallacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"). With that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: [[RomanticFalseLead Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest]] based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, the author comes out and explicitly says that it\'s all according to his plan and that he deliberately planted those clues to mislead. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth is Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
So no, actually I have no reasons to doubt that Kishimoto is telling the truth about his red herring claim. Your arguments for denying it boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), [[ChewbaccaDefense baffling statements]] and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
You can still choose not to believe Kishimoto, but it will always be a matter of personal opinion that doesn\'t reflect what the rest of the fandom think. So please, don\'t come and try to push your opinions as fact to those who do acknowledge the canon and what the [[WordOfGod author himself says]].
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFallacies logical fallacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"). With that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: [[RomanticFalseLead Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest]] based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, the author comes out and explicitly says that it\'s all according to his plan and that he deliberately planted those clues to mislead. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth is Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
So no, actually I have no reasons to doubt that Kishimoto is telling the truth about his red herring claim. Your arguments for denying it boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), [[ChewbaccaDefense baffling statements]] and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
You can still choose not to believe Kishimoto, but it will always be a matter of personal opinion that doesn\'t reflect what the rest of the fandom think. So please, don\'t come and try to push your opinions as fact to those who do acknowledge the canon and what the [[WordOfGod author himself says]].
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
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\"The Kushina=Kishi\'s wife was made during the Road to Ninja interview. Let me know if you can\'t find it and i\'ll post a link \"
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFallacies logical fallacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"). With that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: [[RomanticFalseLead Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest]] based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, the author comes out and explicitly says that it\'s all according to his plan and that he deliberately planted those clues to mislead. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth is Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
So no, actually I have no reasons to doubt that Kishimoto is telling the truth about his red herring claim. Your arguments for denying it boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), [[ChewbaccaDefense baffling statements]] and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFallacies logical fallacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"). With that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: [[RomanticFalseLead Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest]] based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, the author comes out and explicitly says that it\'s all according to his plan and that he deliberately planted those clues to mislead. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth is Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
So no, actually I have no reasons to doubt that Kishimoto is telling the truth about his red herring claim. Your arguments for denying it boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), [[ChewbaccaDefense baffling statements]] and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
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\"The Kushina=Kishi\'s wife was made during the Road to Ninja interview. Let me know if you can\'t find it and i\'ll post a link \"
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFallacies logical fallacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"). With that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: [[RomanticFalseLead Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest]] based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, the author comes out and explicitly says that it\'s all according to his plan and that he deliberately planted those clues to mislead. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth is Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
So no, actually I have no reasons to doubt that Kishimoto is telling the truth about his red herring claim. Your arguments for denying it boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), baffling statements and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFallacies logical fallacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"). With that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: [[RomanticFalseLead Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest]] based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, the author comes out and explicitly says that it\'s all according to his plan and that he deliberately planted those clues to mislead. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth is Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
So no, actually I have no reasons to doubt that Kishimoto is telling the truth about his red herring claim. Your arguments for denying it boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), baffling statements and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
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\"The Kushina=Kishi\'s wife was made during the Road to Ninja interview. Let me know if you can\'t find it and i\'ll post a link \"
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFalacies logical falacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"). With that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: [[RomanticFalseLead Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest]] based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, the author comes out and explicitly says that it\'s all according to his plan and that he deliberately planted those clues to mislead. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth is Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
So no, actually I have no reasons to doubt that Kishimoto is telling the truth about his red herring claim. Your arguments for denying it boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), baffling statements and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFalacies logical falacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"). With that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: [[RomanticFalseLead Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest]] based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, the author comes out and explicitly says that it\'s all according to his plan and that he deliberately planted those clues to mislead. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth is Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
So no, actually I have no reasons to doubt that Kishimoto is telling the truth about his red herring claim. Your arguments for denying it boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), baffling statements and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
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\"The Kushina=Kishi\'s wife was made during the Road to Ninja interview. Let me know if you can\'t find it and i\'ll post a link \"
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFalacy logical falacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"). With that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, the author comes out and explicitly says that it\'s all according to his plan and that he deliberately planted those clues to mislead. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth is Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
So no, actually I have no reasons to doubt that Kishimoto is telling the truth about his red herring claim. Your arguments for denying it boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), baffling statements and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFalacy logical falacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"). With that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, the author comes out and explicitly says that it\'s all according to his plan and that he deliberately planted those clues to mislead. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth is Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
So no, actually I have no reasons to doubt that Kishimoto is telling the truth about his red herring claim. Your arguments for denying it boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), baffling statements and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
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\"The Kushina=Kishi\'s wife was made during the Road to Ninja interview. Let me know if you can\'t find it and i\'ll post a link \"
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFalacy logical falacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"). With that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, the author comes out and explicitly says that it\'s all according to his plan and that he deliberately planted those clues to mislead. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth is Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
Your arguments for denying the red herring, boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), baffling statements and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFalacy logical falacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"). With that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest based on the Shonen genre conventions, [[{{Nakama}} their closeness as team members]], and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, the author comes out and explicitly says that it\'s all according to his plan and that he deliberately planted those clues to mislead. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth is Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
Your arguments for denying the red herring, boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), baffling statements and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
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\"The Kushina=Kishi\'s wife was made during the Road to Ninja interview. Let me know if you can\'t find it and i\'ll post a link \"
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFalacy logical falacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"). With that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest based on the Shonen genre conventions and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, the author comes out and explicitly says that it\'s all according to his plan and that he deliberately planted those clues to mislead. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth is Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
Your arguments for denying the red herring, boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), baffling statements and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFalacy logical falacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"). With that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest based on the Shonen genre conventions and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, the author comes out and explicitly says that it\'s all according to his plan and that he deliberately planted those clues to mislead. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth is Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
Your arguments for denying the red herring, boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), baffling statements and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal), questions that are really easy to answer (Why did Kishimoto admit the red herring until the very end at release of \"The Last\"? Could it just be because it deals with Naruto and Hinata falling in love so he needs now to come clear with it?)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
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\"The Kushina=Kishi\'s wife was made during the Road to Ninja interview. Let me know if you can\'t find it and i\'ll post a link \"
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFalacy logical falacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"). With that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest based on the Shonen genre conventions and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, the author comes out and explicitly says that it\'s all according to his plan and that he deliberately planted those clues to mislead. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth is Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
Your arguments for denying the red herring, boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), baffling statements and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal).
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Incidentally, you say that \'\'Blood Prison\'\' like \'\'Tales\'\' was written by Kishimoto too? Wrong again, in fact they both have the same author, Akira Higashiyama. \"Blood Prison\" is not canon either.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFalacy logical falacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"). With that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest based on the Shonen genre conventions and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, the author comes out and explicitly says that it\'s all according to his plan and that he deliberately planted those clues to mislead. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth is Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
Your arguments for denying the red herring, boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), baffling statements and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal).
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
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\"The Kushina=Kishi\'s wife was made during the Road to Ninja interview. Let me know if you can\'t find it and i\'ll post a link \"
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFalacy logical falacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"). With that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest based on the Shonen genre conventions and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, the author comes out and explicitly says that it\'s all according to his plan and that he deliberately planted those clues to mislead. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth is Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
Your arguments for denying the red herring, boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), baffling statements and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal).
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFalacy logical falacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"). With that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest based on the Shonen genre conventions and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, the author comes out and explicitly says that it\'s all according to his plan and that he deliberately planted those clues to mislead. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth is Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
Your arguments for denying the red herring, boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), baffling statements and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal).
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
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to:
\"The Kushina=Kishi\'s wife was made during the Road to Ninja interview. Let me know if you can\'t find it and i\'ll post a link \"
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFalacy logical falacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"). With that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest based on the Shonen genre conventions and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, the author comes out and explicitly says that it\'s all according to his plan and that he deliberately planted those clues to mislead. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth is Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
Your arguments for denying the red herring, boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), baffling statements and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFalacy logical falacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"). With that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest based on the Shonen genre conventions and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, the author comes out and explicitly says that it\'s all according to his plan and that he deliberately planted those clues to mislead. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth is Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished (explicitly referring to her advice on women), his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
Your arguments for denying the red herring, boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), baffling statements and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
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Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFalacy logical falacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"). With that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest based on the Shonen genre conventions and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, the author comes out and explicitly says that it\'s all according to his plan and that he deliberately planted those clues to mislead. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth is Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished, his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
Your arguments for denying the red herring, boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), baffling statements and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
Please do.
Now, first: None of your arguments support why the \'\'Tales of Gusty Ninja\'\' example belongs in this trope.
Tsuyu is described in the original Japanese text as flat-chested only, the pink hair was a translation error, actually I see more parallels from the Tale of Gusty Ninja on Jiraiya than Naruto (which makes sense since the story is supposedly written by him): Tsuyu (flat-chested medic nin, like Tsunade), Renge (rival turned evil, with a slithery animal motif, like Orochimaru). The story also ends with Naruto and Tsuyu defeating Renge, breaking the parallel with the main series there too. The connection with this trope is non-existent.
Now, with that out the way:
The simplest definition of a RedHerring for storytelling purposes is \"A clue that leads in the wrong direction\" (this was taken from this very wiki), your definition from TheOtherWiki is more fit for [[LogicalFalacy logical falacies]] (in fact, here\'s the other definition from the same Wikipedia page you quoted: \"In fiction and non-fiction a red herring may be intentionally used by the writer to plant a false clue that leads readers or audiences towards a false conclusion\"). With that in mind, it\'s pretty straight forward: Sakura was set up as the obvious candidate for Naruto\'s final love interest based on the Shonen genre conventions and ShipTease moments, because of this their shippers fully expected them to become a couple; \'\'But\'\' Naruto ended up marrying Hinata, the author comes out and explicitly says that it\'s all according to his plan and that he deliberately planted those clues to mislead. Yup, this is a textbook definition of a red herring. The parental comparisons with Kushina were the icing of the cake and Naruto/Sakura shippers fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The truth is Sakura never stopped loving Sasuke, Naruto recognized this and [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy wished her happiness with him]], Naruto admitted to his father that not everything was going as her mother wished, his feelings towards Sakura eventually faded and were confirmed of being a case of LovingAShadow.
Your arguments for denying the red herring, boil down to \"Kishimoto is lying! He always intended [=NaruSaku=] but he (decided/was forced by executives) to change it last minute!\" And the only \"proof\" you have is out-of-context statements from the author (Kishimoto did intend Naruto pairing with Hinata, he didn\'t intend to \'\'write the actual story of it in the manga\'\' which is the reason why \'\'The Last\'\' was made), outright falsehoods (Kishimoto \'\'was\'\' involved in both \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' and \'\'The Last\'\', the difference is that in [=RtN=] he was involved with the Konoha 11 AlternateUniverse designs and basic story outline, which by itself has no romance in it as the ShipTease of it was inserted by Studio Pierrot\'s Yuka Miyata, while the main plot point of \'\'The Last\'\' is love which was outlined by Kishimoto himself, oh, and \'\'The Last\'\' is canon while \'\'Road to Ninja\'\' is not), baffling statements and non-sequiturs (Kishimoto \'\'supposedly\'\' saying that Sasuke/Sakura came last minute before the release for \'\'The Last\'\', even if it\'s true what does this have to do with anything?), [[GodNeverSaidThat quote twisting]] (Kishimoto saying that his marriage is not like the canon couples, the interviewer suggest Sakura could be similar to his wife, you go \"[=OMG=]! [=NaruSaku=] = Kishi\'s marriage = red herring is false\", yeah [[{{Understatement}} big leap]] of logic here pal)
\"Kind of a side not the Like Parent, Like Spouse was used for Mario as well.\"
What does this even mean?
It\'s ironic that you accuse myself and other editors of this wiki of being \"biased shippers\", when yourself have been repeating old dis-proven Naruto/Sakura shippers\' arguments, taking what you see with your ShippingGoggles as fact, and [[GodNeverSaidThat twisting]] WordOfGod statements into supporting and validating your ship.
Finally, I suggest you read the excellent analysis from this wiki of the Shipping Rollercoaster that this series was, it\'s unbiased and it covers all your points, [[Analysis/{{Naruto}} here you go]].
And one last thing: I\'m truly sorry your [[ShipSinking ship was sunk]], I wish you better luck with your future shipping choices. :)
