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Brought from ''VisualNovel/AceAttorney''
** In the third game, [[spoiler:Iris dated Phoenix in college and really fell in love with him to keep her insane sister from poisoning him and later participated in a plan to stop Dahlia's return.]] On the other hand, [[spoiler:one of her lines could be interpreted to mean that she knew about the times Dahlia killed people and only bothered to step in and protect Phoenix which, combined with her implied LoveMartyr tendencies towards Dahlia, implies that she was fine with letting her sister kill people she had no personal connection to.]]
This isn't YMMV trope, and what's written here is AlternateCharacterInterpratation, not this. FridgeLogic of this interpretation aside, first of all entry misses one very important fact. ''Phoenix'' was a person she has no personal connection to when she saved him, making it unambigously good action. And secondly this is not interpretation suggested by the game, the game suggested that she was definitely not OK with her sister being a villain, and there is no ambiguity presented that would question she's a good person.
** Also in the third game is [[spoiler:Godot, or Diego Armando]]. He was a defense attorney until a poisoning and coma combined with the death of his girlfriend left him bitter and more than a little hostile towards certain people. While he did hatch a plan to [[spoiler:save Maya from Dahlia,]] his actions caused her to be put in danger in the first place (he used an incredibly convoluted plan instead of simply [[spoiler:stealing or destroying Morgan's letter before Pearl read it]]) and he admitted that he was so overcome with anger at the sight of [[spoiler:Dahlia]] that he stabbed her right away, not even bothering to consider that [[spoiler:he was killing the spirit medium channeling her, who was also Maya's ''mother''.]]
This guy lands in the opposite spectrum, the game makes it clear he's TragicVillain who deliberately endangered Maya's life and hatched a plan that led to Misty's death. By no means they're actions of a hero, and he himself claimed that if he trully cared about Maya he wouldn't let her get into that situation in the first place. Again no ambiguity. Granted the game tries to make him sympathetic villain, but definitely does ot question his villainy.
** In the third game, [[spoiler:Iris dated Phoenix in college and really fell in love with him to keep her insane sister from poisoning him and later participated in a plan to stop Dahlia's return.]] On the other hand, [[spoiler:one of her lines could be interpreted to mean that she knew about the times Dahlia killed people and only bothered to step in and protect Phoenix which, combined with her implied LoveMartyr tendencies towards Dahlia, implies that she was fine with letting her sister kill people she had no personal connection to.]]
This isn't YMMV trope, and what's written here is AlternateCharacterInterpratation, not this. FridgeLogic of this interpretation aside, first of all entry misses one very important fact. ''Phoenix'' was a person she has no personal connection to when she saved him, making it unambigously good action. And secondly this is not interpretation suggested by the game, the game suggested that she was definitely not OK with her sister being a villain, and there is no ambiguity presented that would question she's a good person.
** Also in the third game is [[spoiler:Godot, or Diego Armando]]. He was a defense attorney until a poisoning and coma combined with the death of his girlfriend left him bitter and more than a little hostile towards certain people. While he did hatch a plan to [[spoiler:save Maya from Dahlia,]] his actions caused her to be put in danger in the first place (he used an incredibly convoluted plan instead of simply [[spoiler:stealing or destroying Morgan's letter before Pearl read it]]) and he admitted that he was so overcome with anger at the sight of [[spoiler:Dahlia]] that he stabbed her right away, not even bothering to consider that [[spoiler:he was killing the spirit medium channeling her, who was also Maya's ''mother''.]]
This guy lands in the opposite spectrum, the game makes it clear he's TragicVillain who deliberately endangered Maya's life and hatched a plan that led to Misty's death. By no means they're actions of a hero, and he himself claimed that if he trully cared about Maya he wouldn't let her get into that situation in the first place. Again no ambiguity. Granted the game tries to make him sympathetic villain, but definitely does ot question his villainy.
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Brought from \'\'VisualNovel/AceAttorney\'\'
** In the third game, [[spoiler:Iris dated Phoenix in college and really fell in love with him to keep her insane sister from poisoning him and later participated in a plan to stop Dahlia\'s return.]] On the other hand, [[spoiler:one of her lines could be interpreted to mean that she knew about the times Dahlia killed people and only bothered to step in and protect Phoenix which, combined with her implied LoveMartyr tendencies towards Dahlia, implies that she was fine with letting her sister kill people she had no personal connection to.]]
This isn\'t YMMV trope, and what\'s written here is AlternateCharacterInterpretation, not this. FridgeLogic of this interpretation aside, first of all entry misses one very important fact. \'\'Phoenix\'\' was a person she has no personal connection to when she saved him, making it unambigously good action. And secondly this is not interpretation suggested by the game, the game suggested that she was definitely not OK with her sister being a villain, and there is no ambiguity presented that would question she\'s a good person.
** Also in the third game is [[spoiler:Godot, or Diego Armando]]. He was a defense attorney until a poisoning and coma combined with the death of his girlfriend left him bitter and more than a little hostile towards certain people. While he did hatch a plan to [[spoiler:save Maya from Dahlia,]] his actions caused her to be put in danger in the first place (he used an incredibly convoluted plan instead of simply [[spoiler:stealing or destroying Morgan\'s letter before Pearl read it]]) and he admitted that he was so overcome with anger at the sight of [[spoiler:Dahlia]] that he stabbed her right away, not even bothering to consider that [[spoiler:he was killing the spirit medium channeling her, who was also Maya\'s \'\'mother\'\'.]]
This guy lands in the opposite spectrum, the game makes it clear he\'s TragicVillain who deliberately endangered Maya\'s life and hatched a plan that led to Misty\'s death. By no means they\'re actions of a hero, and he himself claimed that if he trully cared about Maya he wouldn\'t let her get into that situation in the first place. Again no ambiguity. Granted the game tries to make him sympathetic villain, but definitely does ot question his villainy.
** In the third game, [[spoiler:Iris dated Phoenix in college and really fell in love with him to keep her insane sister from poisoning him and later participated in a plan to stop Dahlia\'s return.]] On the other hand, [[spoiler:one of her lines could be interpreted to mean that she knew about the times Dahlia killed people and only bothered to step in and protect Phoenix which, combined with her implied LoveMartyr tendencies towards Dahlia, implies that she was fine with letting her sister kill people she had no personal connection to.]]
This isn\'t YMMV trope, and what\'s written here is AlternateCharacterInterpretation, not this. FridgeLogic of this interpretation aside, first of all entry misses one very important fact. \'\'Phoenix\'\' was a person she has no personal connection to when she saved him, making it unambigously good action. And secondly this is not interpretation suggested by the game, the game suggested that she was definitely not OK with her sister being a villain, and there is no ambiguity presented that would question she\'s a good person.
** Also in the third game is [[spoiler:Godot, or Diego Armando]]. He was a defense attorney until a poisoning and coma combined with the death of his girlfriend left him bitter and more than a little hostile towards certain people. While he did hatch a plan to [[spoiler:save Maya from Dahlia,]] his actions caused her to be put in danger in the first place (he used an incredibly convoluted plan instead of simply [[spoiler:stealing or destroying Morgan\'s letter before Pearl read it]]) and he admitted that he was so overcome with anger at the sight of [[spoiler:Dahlia]] that he stabbed her right away, not even bothering to consider that [[spoiler:he was killing the spirit medium channeling her, who was also Maya\'s \'\'mother\'\'.]]
This guy lands in the opposite spectrum, the game makes it clear he\'s TragicVillain who deliberately endangered Maya\'s life and hatched a plan that led to Misty\'s death. By no means they\'re actions of a hero, and he himself claimed that if he trully cared about Maya he wouldn\'t let her get into that situation in the first place. Again no ambiguity. Granted the game tries to make him sympathetic villain, but definitely does ot question his villainy.
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Thanks. By the way, how would I accurately represent the book? It's quite controversial and I don't want the page to turn into bashing of the book by people who haven't read it or have the page degenerate into bashing religion. For one, neither would be looked on kindly by the moderators. The more controversial aspects can go in the YMMV page and some tropes from Dawkin's page can go there, removing the risk of using the wiki to bash a real person; another thing the moderators take a dim view of.
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Thanks. By the way, how would I accurately represent the book? It\'s quite controversial and I don\'t want the page to turn into bashing of the book by people who haven\'t read it or have the page degenerate into a pile of religion-bashing. For one, neither would be looked on kindly by the moderators. The more controversial aspects can go in the YMMV page and some tropes from Dawkin\'s page can go there, removing the risk of using the wiki to bash a real person; another thing the moderators take a dim view of.
